Bobby Boulders

Shhhh. Let him cook.

Would love to have sat in the meeting with the Wardrop PR team where it was decided the best way to tone down the accusations of LOOK AT ME that followed standing in his home shirt looking sad outside the stadium for press photos was to release a statement that ended with “and those selfless gifts that were given? All me. You’re welcome”.

This. A thousand times this.

I think that all reads as a balanced take on the situation, and I side firmly with your conclusion that this is all distraction being played out publicly for reasons I don’t understand. The only aspect of it that I disagree with is the describing of the decision to ban him from the ground as draconian. Regardless of the degree of merit in his claims, he’s made them publicly (via smisa manifesto) and had that responded to in kind by a club statement. He’s then gone to multiple press outlets and strengthened his claims to name specific directors and club position holders as having lied and sought to scam the club. It’s untenable to continue to having the door held open for you and a match day role etc whilst that’s the case. If anything, it’s the posting of that letter publicly and bleating again in the Sun today that’s the out of order aspect of all of this. For the second smisa election cycle in a row, the entire conversation has been dominated by a big personality and their supporters making use of the press to push forward a particular agenda and it’s the rest of the members, candidates and fans who are left in the dark.

Far more likely that we see some MAGA-esque bollocks about how this is fake news and only a select bunch of well-meaning good St Mirren men know the truth. And, if we want to know the truth, we just need to elect them on to the smisa board.

You spell yo yo with 4 o’s, I don’t think you’re in any position to lecture people on the wisdom of age.

Hey, at least we don’t have to pay the players a wage over the Summer.

You’ve already said that until we see the accounts, we don’t know the scale of loss that we’re discussing. The leap from that to “shrugging of the shoulders at us posting massive losses” is significant. At the recent SMISA meeting, the chairman confirmed that there was more than a million quid of a balance still sitting in the club accounts. He said that the concept of needing to ask SMISA for funds wasn’t even a conversation that needed to be had in current circumstances. Is it just me or are we confusing budget, income v expenditure and bank balance here? It’s possible for us to run at a loss while not getting anywhere near having nothing left in the bank, which would seem to be the case based on what John Needham explicitly said at the SMISA meeting. When phrases like break even have been mentioned, it has been in budgetary terms - not getting back to solvency. Again, if there is any evidence or confirmed numbers out there that fuel this widely held belief about us having overspent millions of pounds over and above a purpose-given loan to the point where we’re going to have an empty bank account before the end of the season - I’d love to see it. Any of the budgetary experts or accountants who might be reading this, please feel welcome to tell me what I’ve missed or misunderstood. Genuinely. I’m here to be educated.

Absolutely, I’m with you on living within our means. Fan ownership, in part, was an acceptance that there’s no big pot of money out there to bail us out and I’m entirely happy with that. I guess I just don’t follow the reasoning that this is a big gamble. Correct me if I’m wrong (anyone, please) but this £1.7m loss that is consistently referred to - it’s the same rough value as our covid loan. That loan was included in the last available accounts, but was applied for on the basis that it was covering that same equivalent value in covid-caused costs and losses. So - it makes sense that it would be a spent by now on those same declared costs. What’s the secret piece here that I’m missing that shows we’ve thrown more than a million quid away on top of that by gambling on expensive players and massively overreaching? In the absence of any actual evidence to the contrary, is it not possible that people are hearing the chairman say that we’ve been running at a loss during difficult circumstances and letting the panic run a bit far? We expected a couple of players to move on in the summer and they didn’t, so we’re running a couple of first teamers heavy. Even with an extremely generous estimate, that’s no more than a few hundred thousand quid over the course of a full season. Please, if there’s actually evidence anywhere of the board having massively overspent and gambled with our club’s future, I’d love to hear it.

I think we need to get away from the mode of thinking that gambling has got us into the position of having posted a loss over a couple of covid hit seasons. Underinvestment in our squad, at a time when top flight income is perhaps more important than ever, is an even bigger gamble - no?

The inevitable slow march led by who is now standing, I’d imagine.

Welcome to the St Mirren thread, where Kilmarnock and St Johnstone fans meet to discuss the potentially criminal behaviour of Ross County players.

Mullen put in a good shift for a great Saints team in the 2nd tier and scored some great & important goals thereafter. But three goals in recent weeks don't suddenly make him the missing link. He has scored 10 top flight goals in his entire career, and his ratio in the Championship is worse. Fair enough if you think he's as good as Dennis based on what we've seen, but "much better" suggests that you stir mushrooms into your tea.

The correct answer is option 1, but the boomer vote will ensure it never sees the light of day. Sad.