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  1. 1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said:

    If there's 499 seats and Entry licencing requires cover for at least two wheelchair users. Then the 500 by SFA licensing standards should already be met.

    You’re assuming the two wheelchair attendees count as seated.  I have no idea if they do or don’t but it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s entirely separate.

  2. The baseline is 0 because that would have happened anyway.  If you read my posts I’ve already stated this.  You’re trying a play on words but still getting nowhere.  Unlucky.

    I never claimed to be anything.  Never have on this forum.  If you want to make assumptions about whether I’m left or right you feel free.  Doesn’t make you correct.  Also these aren’t my policies, they’re the Scottish Governments.  Unlucky.

    The people that gain most out of s council tax freeze are the wealthy so yes this is regressive.  Unlucky.

    The £307m rise would have happened whether or not Shona and Humza spent the day in the pub or decided to do some tinkering so is still irrelevant.  I never said if that threshold should or shouldn’t be frozen.  I merely stated the facts.  I never said income taxes should be raised on the lower paid.  Unlucky.

    The lost £62m (not 82) would not have come from the poorest.  It’s been lost by freezing Council Tax.  Council Tax isn’t only paid by the poorest.  Unlucky (although it wouldn’t all have come from the wealthy)

    You’ve also (with your spin and deflection) failed to address the question of whether the actions of the government have cost the Scottish finances £62m or not.  It’s obvious you’ve finally accepted that fact with your wee rant trying to justify it though.

    Keep bashing on.  You can’t change the facts no matter how much you try.

  3. 39 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:

    I must have missed the lecture on the effect of free toys, manicures & cocktails on economic theory. 

    Strip away the padding, however, and we're left with 3 assertions from @Left Back

    1) The baseline would be zero if no tax changes had been made

    Absolute nonsense. Wage inflation running at 6.2% would have meant additional tax income, changes to the block grant from Westminster will have an effect etc, etc etc

    2) Not allowing the Local Authorities to raise Council Tax means that the SG will lose £144m

    More nonsense. The SG have offered LA's £144m not to raise council tax (I've already stated that I disagree with this policy - it should be more). This offer is funded from the SG's budget - which MUST balance.  What does it matter if LA's receive slightly more money from central taxation rather than local taxation,  when the total income remains the same.

    3) Tax changes only raise £82m

    If you look properly at the article linked by @Left Back, you only need to read the next f*cking line to get the full picture. 

    The SFC estimate that introducing the new 45p Advanced rate band and increasing the Top rate by 1p will raise an additional £82 million in 2024-25. The Scottish Government estimate that freezing the Higher rate threshold in 2024-25 has added an additional £307 million to the Scottish Income Tax forecast, relative to it increasing in line with CPI inflation of 6.7 per cent

    In conclusion, the fact that none of @Left Back's assersions stand up to the most basic scrutiny only confirms his economic illiteracy.

    I think I'm done here.

    You really are making an arse of yourself aren’t you? 

    Go back and read and attempt to comprehend.

    I said all the stuff like wage inflation would raise additional tax revenue.  That’s a given.

    Go and look back at the changes versus doing nothing.  Read the SG’s own publication.

    Lets try again.

    SG doing nothing = Councils raising council tax so an extra £144m (at least) being transferred from the pockets of the public to government coffers, instead of being shuffled between government bank accounts.  

    SG doing nothing means the £307m additional revenue from freezing (i.e. doing nothing) would still happen, and is the plan, because of wage rises and fiscal drag.  This is totally irrelevant to the discussion.  It would have happened if the SG did nothing, it still happened when the SG did stuff.  Great attempt at a  face saving smokescreen from yourself but it’s easy to see through it.

    SG doing nothing means the extra £82m wouldn’t be raised.

    The changes (i.e.doing something) like taking the actions they have, are what has cost government coffers £62m.

    If you genuinely can’t grasp this simple maths you’re beyond help.

  4. 1 hour ago, lichtgilphead said:

    Stop making stuff up. I specifically stated that "overall taxation revenues will pretty definitely rise due to wage inflation" If you don't understand the difference between a rise in revenue due to wage inflation and a rise in revenue due to changing tax rates, then you shouldn't be commenting on tax matters.

     

    What figures you presented? Your back of a fag predictions about the cost of freezing council tax & raising tax on high earners? If you had quoted a repurable source, I might have responded.

     

    Sigh.

    If Humza had got a free toy in his cereal box on the morning of his speech and not had so much time on his hands wages would have risen, fiscal drag would have happened, Council Tax would have gone up and more money would go into the Scottish and local governments budget.

    If Shona Robison had spent her time as Cabinet Secretary for Finance getting her nails done and sipping pina coladas the same wages would have risen, the same fiscal drag and the same extra money going to the budgets.

    That’s the baseline.  It would have happened anyway.  To keep it simple for you we’ll call that neutral.  Even better actually, we’ll call it 0.  Do nothing = 0.

    Humza didn’t get a free toy though and in his snap, crackle and pop rage he said he’d take an anticipated rise in government finances off the government by saying the taxpayers don’t have to pay it (Council tax raise)

    Estimated cost £144m.  Hope this source is reputable enough.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/24123250.glasgow-city-council-passes-budget-backing-council-tax-freeze/
     

    Here’s where it gets complicated.  It’s a  brutal formula but I’ll try and break it down.

    Baseline-cost=result.

    That means 0-144=-144.

    I hope you followed that but in case you didn’t we’re now £144m down from  where we were if nothing had been done.  With a supposedly regressive tax change as well.

    Now Shona comes along with her income tax changes.

    Estimated at £82m gain.  Again I hope this source is reputable enough.

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-budget-2024-25/pages/4/#:~:text=These changes are proposed to,82 million in 2024-25.
     

    Back to the maths.  Try and stay with me.

    Loss+gain=net result.

    That means -144+82=-62

    The tax changes have therefore made SG (and public services) a best case estimate of £62m worse off.  I say best case because I’m 100% sure the government estimate of an £82m gain in income tax is in no way a best way they can spin the estimate based on behavioural change, tax avoidance etc.

    To summarise.  The recently announced tax changes have put the public finances in Scotland in s worse state, while being spun as a cost of living relief and taxing the wealthy.  Cost of living relief you could just about sell but income tax gains from the wealthy are offset by their Council tax relief.

    An absolute fucking con trick.

     

  5. Just now, lichtgilphead said:

     

    I've already said that I prefer a more progressive tax system. Obviously, I hope that it raises more revenue. The proof will be in the pudding as 2024/25 tax year hasn't started yet.

    I count you amongst the gullible, however. Is it the Mail or the Express that you gat your opinions from?

    Before you ask, btw, I also believe that the baby-bayonetting squad should be given a personal allowance of £1000000 before they pay income tax.

    Never read either in my life but you bash on making a tit of yourself with comments like that 🤣

    Good luck with advocating this as a progressive tax change.  Is a Council Tax freeze considered progressive these days seeing as the wealthy are supposed to benefit from it more?

    You seem to have rapidly back-tracked from your certainty that income tax rises would definitely bring in more revenue to a hope that these changes overall only might?  Is that as a result of actually thinking about something rather than swallowing the propoganda?

    I’m sure you can forgive us mere mortals that can’t see beyond the figures I presented.  SG obviously have thought this all through carefully and crunched the numbers.  No reasonable person could possibly think this is on the hoof and reacting to Humza’s briliant public sector wage negotiation strategy.  No reasonable person could possibly think it’s a con trick.  It must be a right wing media conspiracy theory.

    I note you saying you’ve never proposed bayonetting babies.  I never claimed you did.  I also note you didn’t deny that you’d defend the SNP if they did introduce such a policy.  I disagree with your idea for personal allowances for people that want to undertake in such activities though.

  6. 34 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said:

    Mayotte was in such a bad state that a cabinet minister (can't mind which) had to fly over there recently to try and pretend they cared about it.

    If they're worried about too many residents of Mayotte moving to European France, maybe Paris should put some effort into making it a bit less of a shitehole that folk want to leave?

    From the little I’ve read I don’t think that’s the concern.

    My understanding is that people are emigrating to Mayotte (mostly from the Comoros Islands but presumably some from mainland Africa) and their children that are born there currently have an automatic right to a French passport and can move to mother France.  Most of these emigrants would be classed as illegal in the same way we class people that rock up on boats as illegal.

    Mayotte can’t cope with the influx and the growth in population so want to remove the incentive of a French passport.

  7. 41 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:

    Thank you, Nostradamus. We're all doomed!

    Would you rather move to the rUK system, where people on above average wages taxed less and those below average income are taxed more? See @Trogdor's table above for examples

    Still failing to answer the question then.  You’re obviously a fan of what the SG are doing.  That’s what this topic is about.  If you want to question what rUK are doing feel free to go start another discussion about it on another thread.

    I’ll ask again.

    Will they raise more revenue or is it an attempt to con the gullible?

    It’s a simple question.

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