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Who else is going today? I hate this sitting about the house waiting for the late kick off.

I believe NASA are funding a project to work it out.

I got an implant was either last year or the year before. £2.5k. A single crown these days is £500+. I can easily understand why people say f**k that and combine a holiday with a trip to the dentist if they need work.

Biggest surprise of the night is the chicken man didn’t try and sign them at half time.

I see the 7’s is back on TV. TNT4. Looks like they’re streaming the youtube feed but better than nothing.

If you think that’s the genuine question you need help. Your attempt to draw a comparison to 1939 is quite frankly pathetic. I’m not even entertaining any further engagement on this nonsense.

You aren’t risking.

Would be surprised if SA don’t rock up. Have to be honest though I’m sick of the c***s getting a lead at Murrayfield then killing the game. Not the best to watch. Not sure if we can still class the Aussies as a big team. Someone like Portugal would give us more of a game.

Do you believe that’s the position of any politician or party in the UK? ”Right lads, let’s back Israel ‘cos we all love a bit of genocide eh? We can start a book on how many die to make it interesting” ETA as much as I think they’re all wanks I don’t believe for one second any of them are backing genocide and would all want the bloodshed to stop.

That’s an explanation of foreign policy considerations that governments will analyse. It isn’t my personal views. Too many people take an automatic binary view of a particular topic. It’s an art form on this forum. It’s also the norm that it’s a case study in groupthink. Making a comment that doesn’t conform to that view does not make me an apologist for Labour, or Starmer, or any other politician or party. I’m sure I’ve said on here many times I think they’re all a bunch of wanks.

Insightful stuff. I’ll also challenge you to quote where I’ve defended or promoted Labours actions.

It’s all politics. Even the SNP tabling a motion to call for a ceasefire is politics. If the motion had passed it wasn’t binding on the government. If it was binding on the government it isn’t binding on the combatants. The sum total of what it could achieve in terms of the bloodshed was zero.

Do you really believe that if Israel want’s arms it won’t get them from somewhere if we decided to stop selling them arms?

If you could quote where I’ve praised any of the actions today that would be useful to refresh my memory as I must be going senile. All I’ve done is comment on what has happened.

That isn’t 66% of Britons. That’s 66% of the people polled. An opinion poll does not make something fact. It may well be that it is reflective but we’ve all seen in the past how polls can vary widely.

That’s why today was an entirely pointless exercise. It was all about political grandstanding by all UK parties and made f**k all difference to anything that’s actually happening. The UK can call for all the ceasefires or pauses it wants but while Hamas and Israel want to scrap the bloodshed will go on.

Let me be clear that this is not my opinion and I’m not trying to justify anyone’s actions. The brutal answer to your question in this instance is that Israel is far more important to the UK’s security and economy than the Palestinians. While Hamas threatens Israel our sympathies will be with Israel. That’s a cold hard fact and I would imagine that’s our foreign policy position.

That’s a bold claim that ignores any nuance.

I’m sure they probably do. I have no idea if France have called for an unconditional ceasefire. If they have it’s because they’ve weighed up the options and decided that’s the best option to serve the interests of France. It will be f**k all to do with Israel or Gaza. That’s not how foreign policy works I’m afraid.

I never said it was the SNP’s fault. The SNP laid a trap which hasn’t been sprung.

I think they have to vote on the amendment, then if passed they vote on the motion as amended so two votes minimum. Semantics though. ETA looks like the Labour amendment has all gone through on the nod seeing as the Tories bailed from the chamber.

For the reasons I already stated. In the UK we also have the complication of our relationship with the US to consider. Again like it or not we still have to do business with them in the future and don’t want to alienate them. There is an effective Jewish lobby in US politics/society. Very rarely are these things as simple as people imagine.

Hoyle sounds on the verge of tears here

The SNP have already said they’re backing the Labour amendment. No idea if that has changed since the pram emptying began.

They can’t call for an unconditional ceasefire. If they’re a government in waiting they’ll have to do business with Israel in the future. Like it or not Israel is an ally and trading partner of the UK and it’s a bad move to openly condemn them and give the impression they don’t care about the hostages or Israel’s security.