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Take the Old Firm out of the League Cup.
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What happened to everyone saying that teams without a bronze (?) licence couldn't be promoted to League 2 this season?
I assume it was an overreaction?
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1 hour ago, Bucky said:
Don’t even get into that mindset. It’s a heck of lot easier to stay in L2 than it is to get out of the LL. The fall in income the second season in the LL which Rovers are about to experience is drastic.The seeing new grounds novelty wears off very quickly, the LL organisation is a joke.
C’mon Blues a couple of wins would probably be enough.
Totally agree, the Lowland League will probably lead me to lose interest eventually.
Feels inevitable though, we've been sleep walking to this point.
Hopefully the doom merchants like myself are wrong - can't see it though.
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43 minutes ago, newcastle broon said:
The LL would be a disaster for Stranraer.
The whole player structure would change.
Do you still train away from the area?
Players are not going to travel for non league football when they can get it on their doorstep?
Best of luck in your quest to stay up.
I know, but if we're not good enough what can you do.
May as well be positive.
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16 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:
I must admit, Agnew seems to be getting a bit of an easy ride, managers have been punted for far less. Surely Stranraer fans can’t be happy with how things have gone under his tenure?
I have been saying this for weeks or months.
It is bizarre, considering there are plenty of examples of Stranraer managers punted for much less.
He's here go stay now I would imagine so may as well get behind him I guess.
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Have thought for a while that Stranraer would go down, but after today it would be funny if we pull it off.
Unlikely though.
Totally unable to cope with that wind in the second half.
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I've sort of made peace with us going down after today, feels inevitable and maybe the Lowland League will be an interesting change - minus the B Team shambles - and a chance to reset.
However, wouldn't it be great if the manager could galvanise the players and fans for one last push and we pull off the "great escape".
Our relegation feels inevitable at some point (probably this year) so why not pull out the stops to postpone it for another year at least.
Baffled by the contract extension but we are where we are, maybe there's time for one last adventure in the league.
Come on Stranraer.
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3 minutes ago, peternapper said:
Does anyone happen to know if club 42 get a parachute payment if relegated, also if they do how much is it and how long for?
£40,000 year one then £20,000 year two if the document that Google pulled up is correct.
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1 hour ago, EdinburghBlue said:
The obvious thing would be that the Club would be owned by shareholders rather than in trust by those who pay an annual membership fee. It would also provide an opportunity to recapitalise the Club, although given the nature of football that would depend on finding enough people willing to put insufficient funds to generate a reasonable amount. But people can put in different amounts – for example look at Spartans' information at Companies House showing the different amounts of shares bought by different individuals when it was set up as a company at the beginning of the decade.
Recapitalisation isn't just a one off event. There are a number of clubs (companies) that have had money dripped into them in small or large amounts in recent years (Alloa as an example). If set up as an ordinary company, the shareholders could choose to sell in future to address financial problems (Edinburgh City recently, and happens often south of the border.) And if the worst comes to the worst, shareholders aren't liable for the debts of the company, losing only their investment. (This is why when shareholders' funds go negative – the company being 'technically insolvent' – this should be a red flag to anyone thinking about doing business with that company. Look at the long list of people left owed money in previous instances of clubs going bust or into administration.)
I said "ordinary company" because there is another type – a Community Interest Company (CIC). I believe this is the structure at Stenhousemuir. Unlike ordinary companies, whose primary purpose is to make profits to distribute to their shareholders, CICs:
- are designed to benefit the community or pursue social and environmental goals. Their primary purpose is to provide benefits to the community they serve, rather than solely generating profits for shareholders.
- are required to have an "asset lock," which means that their assets and profits must be used for the benefit of the community. This prevents the assets from being distributed to shareholders.
- must submit annual Community Interest Company Reports, detailing how they have benefited the community.
- must reinvest profits in the company's social objectives or use them to benefit the community. There are limitations on the dividends that can be paid to shareholders.
A structure worth thinking about?
You will probably laugh at the stuff about ordinary companies making money to redistribute to the shareholders. As I've said earlier in this thread there are quite a number of these in Scotland that burn through their shareholders' funds, and then sometimes follow with a cycle of recapitalisation to give them more money to burn through. We either need proper financial fair play rules in Scotland or shareholders willing to hold directors to account for how they run the company, but that almost never happens in football.
P.S. to be promoted to the top leagues in Spain it's now a requirement to be a company, although special exemptions were given to long-standing members' clubs that had good financial management - including Barcelona and Real Madrid.
Thanks for the explainer.
If we boil it down, at the moment ~50 people pay £50 per season to be a member.
In the new system the club could sell 10000 shares for £10 each, as an example with each shareholder choosing how many to purchase.
That would obviously bring in a good bit of cash in the first instance, then every so often the club could release more shares - diluting everyone else's holding?
I just wonder who would buy these shares though?
For a generous fan that currently wants to make a donation, what would incentivise them to purchase shares instead? A say in the running of the club?
I think I get the idea, just trying to understand how it would work in reality for the club.
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There was talk of issuing shares back in around 2008 but it didn't go anywhere.
If the model changed in an attempt to secure the club's future, what would change?
Would it not just be the same members buying shares @EdinburghBlue?
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1 hour ago, Cosmic Joe said:
Hmmm. I'm not sure that Stranraer were ever going to be title contenders this season. Aggie's a good lad and a decent coach/ manager and I really hope he will keep you lads up. I think he will.
Stranraer fans, to be fair.
I think we started fairly well which only boosted confidence, then at a certain point the wheels fell off.
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17 minutes ago, GordonS said:
According to their very good page with player profiles, of the 28 current, on-loan and departed players listed only one has a mention of having played for the SOS team - goalkeeper Andrew Downie, who moved up last October. https://stranraerfc.org/squad/
A player who was backup to the backup goalie and only on the bench as a cost cutting measure due to an unexpected departure, if my reading of the situation is correct.
Scrap it.
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4 minutes ago, cowdenbeath said:
Do much players progress into the 1st team
No, it's a total waste of time and probably more about PR in the community - appealing to a group that have no interest in supporting Stranraer anyway.
I think they're largely self funding, but the accounts show about £3000 per year spent on the team.
If it takes even 0.1% of attention away from our actual team it should be scrapped, in my opinion.
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1 hour ago, Thereisalight.. said:
On paper the Stranraer squad is decent and shouldn't be anywhere near the bottom. I'd be surprised if you don't finish above Bonyrigg at the very least.
With Ayr playing on Friday night I may take in the game as a neutral. Can't beat a day at Stranraer. Some of my best away games with Ayr were spent at Stair Park
I agree.
At the start of the season people were feeling positive, and I think there was even talk of a title challenge.
I think the manager should stay until the end of the season, but even if we do battle to survival I think we need a new manager next season.
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1 hour ago, MrFizz said:
This is my fear. Berwick, Cowden and East Stirlingshire at least have geography on their side in terms of catchment areas for recruitment, and they've found it hard enough.
Its all hypothetic, but dropping out of the Lowland would mean the end of the Reserve side too. Unless we somehow were allowed into the WOSFL.
All hypothetical, but I have often wondered if the WoSFL would be the option the club would try to pursue.
The idea of Stranraer FC playing in the SoSFL is unthinkable to me.
If that scenario ever did come to pass, the people that said they would support the team if locals played would have to find a new excuse for not supporting them.
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With Bonnyrigg Rose changing manager, Stranraer are now the only team in the relegation battle to stick rather than twist.
I hope it pays off.
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If it is to be Stranraer, it's hard to see how their current model for signing players could be maintained due to geography.
Wouldn't be long until they ended up relegated again, never to return from the south, I think.
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Not that history matters, but I believe Stranraer have the worst playoff record of any team since they were introduced in 2006.
As in, we've appeared in the most playoffs without coming out as the winner.
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34 minutes ago, BullyWeeStonehouse said:
Always cheated. Never defeated.
You seem to be bitter about something, you're not a kit man by any chance?
Anyway, I tend to agree with the sentiment. If we played better we wouldn't need to blame referees.
Referees make mistakes, just as players do and I think the players and management should look at themselves and the things they can control first.
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34 minutes ago, skiblue said:
Agreed Hamill sacked 4 a one off gubbing... Now looking over the relegation edge
He won 35% of games, Agnew has won 31% of games.
My feeling is that there's either some kind of collective goodwill towards Agnew that means his future has barely been discussed by fans, or there has been a lowering of expectations.
I definitely read more comments along the lines of what do you expect with low crowds etc. as previously commented on, but that has pretty much always been the case in the SPFL era and we've never been this far down the table.
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I know I'm a broken record but there's something strange about this season.
Feels like we're just accepting our fate because fans and those in charge at the club like Scott Agnew (including me).
Hammill was sacked for much less, as was Keith Knox, as were various others over the years.
Also, I'll say it again, the contract extension for the manager was wild.
Better to sleepwalk to relegation and hope for the best, or roll the dice with a new manager and hope for the best?
Hard to say now, I guess we'll go with the former.
Also, The Lowland League is a dreadful fate, at least for my tastes, if that's where we end up.
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We're going to be staying in Cologne for the duration of the group stages and that's obviously a long time in one city.
We're thinking about interrail passes to travel about Germany freely on at least a few of the days Scotland aren't playing (day trip, early morning out last train back).
Anyone with any thoughts on whether that is a good/bad idea. We could hold off and book trains as we go I guess, but don't mind paying a bit more for Interrail if it's convenient.
Will also be travelling to Stuttgart as the only game we have tickets for.
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What was going on with the Dumbarton goalkeeper's kicking?
Straight out of play under no pressure on several occasions.
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Definitely fear that we've been sleepwalking into a bad position, and today confirms that.
Then again, maybe we've been approaching this point with our eyes open.
Worrying times.
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Trapdoor to Hell
in Scottish League 2 General Chatter
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That answers my question. No overreaction!