Sinner-to-Saint
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2 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said:
Don't like Donald Trump = hate the Jews is some pretty low-intelligence trolling, even by your pathetic standards.
No, it's not hard to see where it leads when you start blaming all of society's ills on rich white people...it's happened before.
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Just now, Bully Wee Villa said:
That shit isn't funny.
When people start talking about rich 'white' bankers stealing all the wealth, it's pretty dodgy territory. I'm just waiting for the triple parentheses...
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3 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said:
Sadly, the entire history of America suggests that suburbanites are far more likely to blame black people than they are rich white men for society's perceived problems.
Why do you make it a racial thing? Besides, who's more likely to burgle, assault or murder the average surburanite?
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8 minutes ago, madwullie said:
The word militia is in the constitution so calling them that gives them some sort of justification - a wee boost that they're protecting freedoms etc. They absolutely fucking love being called militias
Sorry to sully your good name by agreeing with you, but I was about to post exactly that.
It's enshrined in the Constitution, and many believe the Founding Fathers did so, not just in order to protect freedoms from being taken by the government, but so that the people could protect themselves if the government were unwilling to do so.
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1 hour ago, welshbairn said:
Who would have thought walking into a protest like this would provoke a reaction? That boy who threw a plastic bag at him had it coming.
Are you judging him from a legal perspective, or in terms of morality? I understand it's perfectly legal in the US for citizens to carry guns.
There's potentially an issue with him being 17, but then apparently one can join a militia at that age so it could be a grey area.
Regardless, even if he was carrying it illegally, it could still be considered self-defence. He would simply be prosecuted for the misdemeanor.
The way this debate has gone btw:
Me: I think the guy might well be acquitted of the charges based on the grounds that he was defending himself. [POSTS VIDEO FOOTAGE OF SHOOTINGS & ANALYSIS FROM US LAWYER]
Everyone else: You're an evil, morally bankrupt, racist imbecile. I hope you die a lingering death from a combination of cancer and a flesh-eating disease.
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13 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said:
I would have the likes of you pushed out of a helicopter half way to St Kilda.
Charming!
I genuinely don't see what has elicited such venom. The shootings were an act of self-defence. That's all I have said...
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17 hours ago, magic sign said:
I think he's been binned already. I rarely post, here, but good riddance.
Why would I conceivably be banned for suggesting someone might have acted in self-defence? It's pretty obvious what this bampot Marxist indy Scotland you all dream of will be like! Clearly any un-woke opinions will result in banishment to a forced labour camp on St. Kilda.
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Ach well, we'll have to wait for the trial and hopefully justice will be done. Goodnight everybody! It's been a pleasure debating with you all.
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4 minutes ago, GAD said:
Two people are dead. Your boy travelled 30 minutes (according to you) and shot them with a gun he brought with him. These are facts. Now you obviously identify with this wee boy, see a bit of yourself in him, but facts don't care about your feelings son.
According to his lawyer the gun didn't cross the state lawyer, at least if I recall correctly.
Interesting, so you believe I 'identify' with this boy, because I have the audacity to suggest he might have acted in self-defence. That would imply you identify with the victims, given that's how your mind works - a paedophile and a domestic abuser...
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Just now, carpetmonster said:
If you’re considering Andy Ngo objective analysis then you’re absolutely a trolling moronic racist.
When did I say he was objective? I merely linked to video footage he'd posted. What you're suggesting he's edited or otherwise manipulated the footage, now?
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Just now, GAD said:
Mare, the fact he "only" travelled 30 minutes, with his gun, to pick a fight and murder two people doesn't really make it that much better.
Your prejudice has been showing for months. We all see you.
Another baseless allegation of prejudice without anything at all to substantiate it.
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5 minutes ago, ali_91 said:
This new breed of troll who thinks saying something utterly moronic and someone calling them c**t for it = effective trolling is such a VL version of your proper troll. Terrible stuff.
If you consider an objective analysis based on video footage and scutinisng facts to be 'trolling', 'moronic', 'racist' or any other pejorative term you fancy, then aye, I am all of those things.
The responses from you, Bairnardo, et al has been ad hominem and invective. I have been perfectly polite and civilised, as any impartial person will see.
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This is one of the videos I watched, in which the presenter provides evidence that the kid put out a fire in a dumpster which aggravated the protesters, and that one of the dead is a paedo.
This will be another interesting trial. Do you think it will be televised like the OJ Simpson and Zimmerman court dramas?
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7 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:
Not doing a great job of concealing your own prejudice either m9.
Although I am sort of making the mistake of a serious reply to a trolling shitheel racist.[RAGE DETECTED]
Care to show me where I have expressed bias?
There's a video I found earlier in which he was interviewed on the night, prior to the events, and he stated his intention was to guard property. I haven't given a penny to his crowdfunding page, either - https://www.givesendgo.com/GUCZ
Based on all the evidence I have seen, he definitely will not be convicted of murder. He's raised over $200,000 for his defence, and has the Covington boys' lawyer working pro bono.
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1 hour ago, Bairnardo said:1 hour ago, Sinner-to-Saint said:I don't consider myself left or right. I like to judge these things based on the facts alone.
So far the narrative appears to be:
1) The kid is hanging about with a militia, ostensibly protecting property and upholding the law, armed with an assault rifle and carrying a first aid kit.
2) He extinguishes a fire lit by the protesters, who then verbally abuse him, and then an altercation occurs where he runs and is chased and the first person is shot.
3) The second incident is recorded, and I suggest anybody interested watches the footage. It's all over Twitter. It shows the perpetrator being chased by several people, get hit with a skateboard and stumble and fall to the ground. He fires about three shots, and is actually pretty calm given the circumstances.
I think the fact Rosenbaum was a paedophile and was acting aggressively doesn't, of course, justify his death. However it does testify to his unsavoury character.
There's lots of other footage of other incidents that occurred that night to:
A dreadful post. A dreadful interpretation of events.
1 hour ago, GAD said:A guy travels hundreds of miles with a gun in order to pick a fight, murders two people when he gets there, and the P&B incels think we don't know who the real criminal is here?
He lived just across the state line, around 30 mins away. You clearly have done zero research, unlike me, and cannot even be bothered to try to conceal your ignorance and prejudice.
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21 minutes ago, Shotgun said:
Is this seriously the defence the right-wing are making? Joseph Rosenbaum had previously been punished for a crime, ergo it's no big deal he was murdered in cold blood. And "antagonizing the militia types." Really? Fucking really?
I don't consider myself left or right. I like to judge these things based on the facts alone.
So far the narrative appears to be:
1) The kid is hanging about with a militia, ostensibly protecting property and upholding the law, armed with an assault rifle and carrying a first aid kit.
2) He extinguishes a fire lit by the protesters, who then verbally abuse him, and then an altercation occurs where he runs and is chased and the first person is shot.
3) The second incident is recorded, and I suggest anybody interested watches the footage. It's all over Twitter. It shows the perpetrator being chased by several people, get hit with a skateboard and stumble and fall to the ground. He fires about three shots, and is actually pretty calm given the circumstances.
I think the fact Rosenbaum was a paedophile and was acting aggressively doesn't, of course, justify his death. However it does testify to his unsavoury character.
There's lots of other footage of other incidents that occurred that night to:
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57 minutes ago, NotThePars said:
This is an opinion
In the preceding sentence I talked about the gunman's guilt or the morality of his conduct. I was merely offering an opinion on the material presented in the video.
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Here's another one:
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16 minutes ago, ali_91 said:
It’s absolutely mind boggling to me anybody can watch what happened, hear the circumstances of what he was doing there, and come to the conclusion he’s a hero who has been hard done to.
Pretty disgusting.
Are you in possession of all the facts? Facts can and often are distorted to portray a false narrative. Do you remember George Zimmerman? The 'white man' who allegedly killed an unarmed black teen? Or the Covington school boys? The latter were actually subjected to racial abuse if you watch the video. But both parties were portrayed by the media to be wicked, using selectively edited recordings.
If I was to select certain facts, I could say this was a case of a child acting in self defence after he was pursued by a paedophile.
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10 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
Source please.
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2 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said:
It's also fine if they start chasing you after you threaten them with said assault rifle, as they are now the aggressor.
What it's always important to remember in criminal cases, is that the accused is INNOCENT until proven guilty, and the burden of proof is beyond reasonable doubt. I'm doubtful any jury will convict a man of murder, when he;'s being chased by a mob who were throwing things at him.
Interestingly one of the two killed was allegedly a paedo, which will make people sympathetic.
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7 minutes ago, ali_91 said:
It’s ok to shoot people if they take umbrage to the fact you are walking about with an assault rifle basically.
Victim blaming nonsense, but VL’s recognise VL’s I suppose.
Well apparently he extinguished a fire that had been lit in a bin, which annoyed the protesters, and who then acted aggressively. But aye, the lawyer seems to think he'll not be convicted of murder. I didn't offer an opinion, but stated I thought it was a good analysis.
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8 minutes ago, Stellaboz said:
Your signature should say Snake Mountain, not Castle Greyskull.
Nah, it's Castle Greyskull. That's what it's been known as for years, and even the BBC weather lady called it that. Aye, I know it was He-Man's abode, but it's been known as that for years now.
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This is an excellent analysis of the Rittenhouse affair:
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