Jilted John
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5 minutes ago, basher brash said:
In a nutshell to be honest !
John Sim has to put his personal feelings / differences to one side regarding individuals for the betterment of the club , Heal the deep division with Val McDermid as she is the one to turn this around IMOIs Val even interested in returning? For someone who was instrumental in speaking out, and part of me thinks of it wasn’t for her and her connections, this might have been another ‘Clyde scenario’ where it would’ve died down, I think she’s happy to walk away with her reputation bolstered along with her book sales.
I’d love to be wrong but I certainly don’t see her as actively vocal about trying to fix the issues.
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I’ve heard Mr Sim has started to respond to a few fans who have emailed the club/him directly. He’s apologising for his lack of judgment and admits that him living abroad means he’s out of touch with what’s going on. He’s also said that him being the chairman while being far removed from the day to day running of the club isn’t the way forward.
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1 hour ago, Against The Machine said:
I think we need to be careful with corroboration on stuff like this. There are so few routes for information to leak from the club now that 70% of the workforce have left, there's a significant chance that what we're hearing is the same source (which could be completely true or completely false) echoing through different second- or third-hand routes.
Although, as someone else laid out quite eloquently earlier, it would be quite surprising if the people left in the boardroom/bunker aren't further entrenched in their original beliefs. That's quite natural in situations like this where everyone in the world is against you.
To be a little cynical, though, it doesn't really matter what John Sim (or Tom Morgan or Karen Macartney etc) actually think, at this stage. What matters is what they put out into the world.
When the doors are locked and they're sitting in private, if they want to think they've been hard done by and that there's been some sort of witch-hunt, then that's fine. I don't agree with it in the slightest, but each individual is entitled to their own opinion.
However, the club's stance, and the club's actions, cannot reflect that. There needs to be contrition, acknowledgement of the hurt, and a commitment to improve. At the weekend it felt like that had to come as soon as possible, and I think some of that immediacy has died away. If it doesn't come until Thursday now, I think that's okay, as long as it's an adequate response when it does come.
(And obviously it has to be before Sunday, they can't go into a game on live television having not responded to this.)
Fantastically well put and hits the nail on the head.
I also wonder what’s going on behind the scenes just now to reach out to the volunteers who left. Have they been contacted by anyone at the club looking to re build relationships?
I know the Raith Tv guys post on here, it would be nice to know if there’s been any contact from the club. I also understand that they might not want to discuss that on here though.
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41 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said:
As someone who listens to the podcasts, they frequently pointed out that David Goodwillie is a rapist when discussing anything to do with Clyde.
I’m not sure if you’re defending the point made or not, but it’s absolute bollocks.
I wouldn’t say I was defending the point however I do agree with what Denise Clair said in the Sunday paper, which I’ll paraphrase… The whole of Scottish football needs to take some accountability here. DGW has been playing for 5 years pretty much unchallenged. Everyone who’s supported him, lauded him etc should probably reflect that they should have done more rather than just clicking into outrage mode last week.
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22 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:
Ye say that as tho' that podcast/website also doesn't have previous for reminding everyone that Goodwillie is a sex offender
The people who report on and discuss Scottish football aren't the decision makers. None of them signed David Goodwillie for Clyde. When he played for Clyde where they to refer to him like some evil wizard/guitarist for The Dwarves as "He Who Shall Not Be Named"? Are you gonna go into the League One forum and castigate anyone who said Goodwillie had a good game against them? What a fucking ludicrous take.
Raith fans have said they don't want Goodwillie at their club and are absolutely free to react however they want to that signing. They can't tell Clyde fans who can/cannot play for their club. If Clyde do sign a rapist should all other fans or writers just ignore his existence on the off chance they get annoyed their club signs him years later?What a fucking nonsense.
The guy he’s referring to, that does the podcast is a Raith fan. Not sure if you know. I think what he’s trying to say is that he raves about him on the podcast, giving him media attention but then complained when he signed for his club.
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I don’t really get the big deal with Mcglynn. If he’s been asked by the board and he’s said something along the lines of ‘Yeah he’s a good player but are you sure you want to risk the consequences?’ The board have then discussed the bigger picture and make their decision.
Just because he didn’t refuse point blank to have him in the squad or resign the next day doesn’t make him a rape apologist or whatever other term you want to come out with.
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1 hour ago, Ro Sham Bo said:
I thought we started both halves well but faded. A draw was probably fair but if Hamilton had won there would have been few complaints from me.
I don't understand why McGlynn is persevering with Gullan as our main striker and that's now two games in a row that Varian has been brought on to play wide right. Baffling stuff.
Frustrated that Lang was allowed to play on after his initial injury, although Frankie was much improved today from Tuesday.
Pretty much this to be fair. Gullan as a number 9 isn’t working. He’s done absolutely nothing from open play in that role.
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For anyone who missed Bill Clark’s interview here are some brief highlights…
He thinks Mcglynn is blameless in the Goodwillie signing. Clyde contacted the club over the weekend offering him to us. By the time it went in front of the full board on Monday morning, a fee/contract has already been discussed.
Andy Mill left the board in no doubt of the ramifications of the signing and that it certainly wouldn’t blow over in a couple of weeks. This was ignored.
He doesn’t believe that the story was leaked by the club to the media in December to gauge opinion. That perhaps answers why Val felt lied to when Karen M told her we didn’t intend on signing him.
Karen McCartney’s role is beginning to conflict with team matters. She’s married to Smudger and she had no dealings with that side to begin with. Now she’s negotiating signings, there’s an obvious crossover.
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Na no way. I’m not believing that. Did anyone actually see it?
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I’d like to see what Val plans on doing next. She was instrumental in getting this the media coverage it needed.
She cares a lot about the club and it’s on its knees at the moment. Will she be as proactive in helping us back up? I certainly hope she will play a part.
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15 minutes ago, Gigi Alabocheré said:
Your manager wanted to sign a rapist ya mad man.
So did the managers of Falkirk, Partick and Livingston. Should they all be sacked for wanting to sign him too?
I went to Broadwood in our league one seasons. Should I be banned for contributing to his wages? Where does it all stop?
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7 minutes ago, gav-ffc said:
From the outside I don’t think he should be sacked as that’s another pay off coming out of your club, he should be walking ( should’ve already) and not be taking a pay off.
Weren’t Falkirk rumoured to be interested too?
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I also wonder how many of the fans of other teams who are demanding we hound the manager out are being genuine in their comments or are actually here to try and add to the turmoil?
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1 minute ago, Ro Sham Bo said:
I'm afraid that anyone hoping that a scenario arises where McGlynn can be absolved of wrong doing here is almost certainly kidding themselves.
There was an article in the Courier which said that McGlynn identified Goodwillie as his number one target and there is also the confirmation from McDermid that we tried to sign him a couple of years back when she was still on the board.
It's a gross misjudgement, and that's putting in its very best light.
I doubt he'll resign but he'll surely leave in the summer.
I think you could be right about the summer resignation.
I have a lot of time for Mcglynn like we probably all do. I’d like to think it was a gross misjudgment, I don’t think any of us really thought it would go as nuclear as it did. I think he and the board looked at Clyde and thought it would eventually slip away to a few boos from opposition supporters.
it’s what these guys do next that will determine what lessons have been learned. I’d like to see us use Rape Crisis Scotland as our shirt sponsors next season to replace the ones we lost for starters.
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12 minutes ago, Broken Algorithms said:
That was a really good discussion on K107's pre-recording for the Saturday Sports show. I think the media focus will understandably die down over the next few days, but it's the Rovers fans who will be left to sift through the wreckage and figure out what the f**k we're going to do. We've known for years that John Sim has been the kingmaker and that his decision was final. I think it's time for our fans to start asking some very tough questions. There was a lot of talk on the show about the lack of diversity on the board. I'm not sure if @rentonwas listening in at all, but both myself and Margie Robertson (who joined later on) spoke about how there's a conflict of interest in the situation between Smith and McCartney.
Is there really though? I don’t think McCartney gets much of a say. She may be the CEO but she doesn’t run the club. She also doesn’t get to vote on board matters. I would agree it’s a strange set up however.
I’ve read a lot on the Goodwillie thing about how he never admitted his crime or sought forgiveness in order to deserve a second chance. I’m prepared to give the current BOD a chance to admit their mistakes and see what they aim to do to put things right before I lose complete faith in them.
The running of the club in recent years has been superb, let’s see what they can do now to rectify their own cluster f**k! Let’s be honest, we probably don’t have many others battering the door down to mount a takeover.
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We are stumbling from one PR crisis to another here. The club is crumbling!
I thought this morning that the Raith Tv decision might be the final straw, that the club would realise that having no media outlet would put them back into the dark ages, along with the loss in stream revenue and it might lead them to do the right thing, then I see the Bene statement!
Can some tech savvy youngster let me know how I can delete my profile picture on here please? I don’t think it’s right that I continue to use that one in the current situation.
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1 minute ago, Its not only a game said:
. Seriously, None of us should be making moral judgements. Do what you think is right is my advice to my Raith pals. Show your displeasure, in the way you think best. The club was here long before these idiot custodians arrived, and guess what will be there long after they leave.!No doubt the club has gone backwards which is so weird when you could almost taste further success at the club. The danger of raw ambition…!!!!But its your club not theirs.
Brilliantly summed up
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1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said:
I'm afraid that asking people to just ignore it and move on is the last thing that should be happening.
If he wants to "just talk about the football" then he should probably hound the club as much as possible to remove a rapist from their ranks or find another club to support.
No one’s saying it should be ignored. There’s about 100 pages on the Raith thread about it, why not use that one to condemn the clubs actions? I’m pretty sure the Hamilton fans would rather use this thread to discuss the game too.
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23 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:
f**k off.
You're exactly the type of c**t who the board are relying on to try and force people to move on and just accept your scummy fucking club has hired a rapist.
Thankfully you'll never have another match thread on this site without it being brought to attention.
That’s out of order. The guy wants to use this thread to discuss the actual match. There’s plenty other platforms to discuss the rapist. It’s certainly not his fault the club has taken the action it has.
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I just keep looking at all of this and wondering why the club think it’s worth it? What will DGW get us, 15 goals a season at best? Surely we could have found someone else that could score that many!
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2 minutes ago, Hammerafc said:7 minutes ago, Jilted John said:I wouldn’t be surprised to see a U turn on this. That would explain the lack of the promised statement.
The thing is they knew Val would pull the plug. They knew the fans would be upset. They knew that the media would jump all over it. To decide that it would be worth it knowing all of that why would they do a u turn.
I don’t think they knew the full extent it would cause. I certainly didn’t expect Nicola Sturgeon to be discussing it today!
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1 minute ago, Donathan said:
£1k a week for 2.5 years is £125k. Add the reported £50k transfer fee.
If a u turn is incoming they’ve spunked £175k, only some of the sponsors/fans will forgive them, and he’ll likely rejoin Clyde.
What a trainwreck for Raith
As with any contract, there will be a legal cooling off period. Not with the transfer fee but with the contract itself. It’ll leave him a free agent. For me, it’s the only way forward.
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I wouldn’t be surprised to see a U turn on this. That would explain the lack of the promised statement.
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I’m utterly baffled by this decision.
I don’t blame the gaffer, his job is to look after the football side and to put a good team on the park. From a football sense, it’s a good signing.
What I don’t understand is that the board thought it would be ok after the backlash a month ago. Did they think that there would be a bit of a moan and then it would all die down? If they did, I think they have made a huge error in judgment!
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The New Raith Rovers Thread
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Change can’t come from within the club without others being able and willing to step in. The whole board can’t walk away and leave no one funding and running the club. A few folk don’t seem to realise this.
Val is someone who has both the finances and the experience needed to help run the club. She’s made plenty of comments about how she loves the club, but is she going to be proactive in trying to turn it around? The same could be said of Gordon Brown. Has money, contacts and very good business sense.
These people have no obligation to help, but I find their supposed love of the club rather questionable when we are struggling and they are sitting on the sidelines watching.