Jeremiah Cole

No different from a bad flu season in Milan

Or maybe it’s just not happening?

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2020/04/04/the-coronavirus-and-galileo-an-interview-with-a-italian-nano-pathologist-dr-stefano-montanari/

Report from the WHO states that: COVID-19 is transmitted via droplets and fomites during close unprotected contact between an infector and infectee. Airborne spread has not been reported for COVID-19 and it is not believed to be a major driver of transmission based on available evidence; In other words, you will not catch nor transmit Covid 19 by going outside or by going within 2 metres of people. Both of these measures as part of the lockdown achieve absolutely nothing.

Michael Gove has instructed that no- one should go fir a walk longer than an hour, or run fir longer than 30 minutes or cycle for longer than 45 mins. Assuming that you also follow the government instruction or never being within 2 metres of someone else, can someone explain to me how walking fir longer than an hour or running fir longer than 30 mins will increase the spread of coronavirus?

It’s getting to that stage

Can you provide a link to this?

My original post this morning highlighting an article from a conspiracy theorist was about how debate is not allowed with regards to coronavirus. Asking whether the Swedish model might be a better strategy leads to abuse and being accused of having a callous disregard for life. Turns out the conspiracy theorist was correct. Meanwhile people are happy to believe that the Tory Government strategy is the only one that will work and believe everything the MSM tell them Its been a real remarkable turnaround in the space of a month.

I suffer from really bad asthma. So does my partner. My mother has a life limiting heart condition. My father in law has cancer. My mother in law has COPD. The ‘double counting’ is my point. Doh!

The Imperial College report states that stoping mass gatherings have a negligible impact on flattening the curve. Do you have any evidence that banning what you have described will have a greater than negligible impact on flattening the curve? Are you saying that Neil Ferguson is wrong?

My position has never changed. I’ve got it right from the start.

The Swedish model doesn’t allow for the virus to spread “unchecked”. They is okayed the very vulnerable, closed primary schools, banned mass gatherings, asked people to work from home where possible. Just the same as in the UK. The fact that you sink to personal abuse shows that you’ve lost the debate

Do you have any evidence that this will set us back weeks?

Don’t be so harsh on yourself

You are saying that kids were still going to primary schools after they were closed? You are saying that mass gatherings were still happening? You are saying that companies weren’t getting their systems sorted to that people could work from home where possible? As for the ‘advice’, which I didn’t mention in my post, the numbers going to pubs and restaurants were down. The shopping malls were very empty. People were reducing their travel abroad. The advice was reducing social contact.

People dying of lung cancer and COPD are also being included in the coronavirus death statistics. Can you provide a break down of the numbers I have provided? In Italy, at least 50% of the people who died of coronavirus had at least 2 severe chronic illnesses. 75% had 3. The 3 main illnesses were heart disease, cancer and diabetes. The Italian Health Institute has confirmed that around 88% would have died anyway. On average, it’s reckoned that around 17,000 specifically die of the flu every year in the UK. In a bad flu season, like 14/15, it’s reckoned that it caused 44,000 excess mortality in the UK Most of these deaths could have been prevented by locking down the economy.

The government strategy is to flatten the curve so that the health service is not overwhelmed. The strategy isn’t to eradicate the virus. Can someone please show me some evidence as to why the Swedish model will not flatten the curve and why their health system will be overwhelmed? Can someone please show me that the number of deaths caused by the ensuing depression won’t be greater than the difference between the UK following their current model versus the Swedish model?

None of what you quoted was advice

That 21,320 is also shocking. That’s over 3 months. Shows how deadly it is. Those deaths could also have been prevented, in the main, by staying indoors and standing 2m away from folk.

As I’ve said before, I believe the Swedish model is the one we should have and should be following. They have closed primary schools, asked people to work from home where they can, isolated the vulnerable and banned mass gatherings.

To be fair, I read somewhere that 20% of Premiership footballers are bankrupt within 5 years of retiring. Show some compassion.

I hope to fcuk that our approach is correct and we haven’t destroyed the world economy, forcing hundreds of millions of people into poverty for years to come with the resultant mortality that comes with that.

From the latest excess mortality report from the ONS Number of deaths so far in 2020 in England & Wales where the specific cause was respiratory disease ( excluding coronavirus) 21,320 number of deaths of people WITH coronavirus as a yesterday in England & Wales 3,338

Indeed it is scary and sad Almost as sad and scary as believing everything the Tory Government is telling you..... hang on a minute.... that’s what you are actually doing though! Doh!

I'm just guessing here, but is Jeremiah doing his normal "post a link to some conspiracy bs without making any comment"? It’s amusing when someone pretends to have you on ignore, then goes to the lengths of specifically replying about you to you about you to some else I’m embarrassed for him. What a sad loser.