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  1. 32 minutes ago, Ric said:

    You are rifling through the logical fallacies today aren't you big chap?

     

    I think if one of my arguments for not getting rid of VAR was 'where does it stop, do we get rid of substitutions or thrown ins next?' I would steer clear of accusing anyone else of using logical fallacies.

  2. 13 minutes ago, Captain_Sensible said:

    Nothing to do with pedantry. You’re attempting to gaslight by using terms such as “as a country” and “association” to make out that some entity other than the clubs involved decide the league fixtures.

    Sevco, Aberdeen, Hearts & Hibs could all do with this weekend’s games being cancelled to help them into the group stages. It could be Celtic next season, I’m hoping it could be St Mirren next season.

    The clubs themselves have it within their own gift.

    Stop trying to make out that there is anyone to blame for your club’s situation here other than your own club. 

     

    Strong 'learned the word gaslight this morning, but hasn't quite worked out what it actually means yet' vibes here.

  3. 17 hours ago, scottsdad said:

    Whilst I understand the thrust of what you're saying, the key issues are outlined here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/64210632

    That article covers some of the points but is limited by a lack of understanding of or interest in anything outside of the F1 bubble, which is a pretty consistent issue with Andrew Benson's articles.

    Its really just a chance for the teams to give their party line unchallenged disguised as a balanced piece of journalism. Its pretty clear that he's asked people inside F1 what they think and then not bothered to go outside of that or do any sort of digging into Andretti.

    There's barely any mention of the dilution of prize money, just a quick paragraph thrown in at the end of the list of concerns, when that is one of the main reasons, arguably the only main reason, for the teams resisting new entries. It should really be dominating any sort of article like this because ultimately the negotiation on how much it will cost up front and how the prize money will be split is what will decide whether we will have any new entrants. 

    I would suggest that some of the concerns around Andretti's ability to run a team could also do with a little bit of actual analysis, given the size, history and backing behind their organisation. The 'Cadillac is just a branding operation' line is very much a F1 party line which could do with challenging and digging into also.

    Not to say that there's nothing in the article, but its very much one side of the story and really shouldn't be taken as the full picture.

     

  4. 1 hour ago, Suspect Device said:

    Seems to be that it's only one side of this 'debate' that gets banned. Which is fairly shit, even if I don't agree with their posts. The moderating in here is not even handed.

    The only people who have been banned for their posts in this thread got banned for posting obvious bigotry (being trans is a mental illness etc.), they all also have a long posting history in this (and often other) threads which makes it very clear that their posts were not misunderstandings or innocent mistakes, they just don't like trans people.

    People would get banned from this forum for posting obvious racism or obvious homophobia. Transphobia should be no different.

    This entire thread is a long form debate on whether being trans is even a real thing and whether trans people should get to keep the rights they already have, so lets not pretend that anti-trans viewpoints are being oppressed here.

  5. 1 hour ago, picklish said:

    I've wondered if legislating for a 3rd sex would help defuse the tensions - it would allow 'woman' to remain as a protected characteristic, but also give a clear status on rights for trans/non-binary and intersex folk.

    It'd obviously be a bit of a fudge as I think neither side would be completely happy, neither would workplaces and business if it cost money, but I don't know if it'd be worse than the situation now.

    There's a lack of willingness to understand and ascribe charitable readings to either side - it seems unimaginable to some people that an abuse survivor in a support group could have their recovery hampered by the group allowing trans women, or alternatively unimaginable to others that being treated as the gender that someone feels can help someone.

    So I think viewing it as a top down conspiracy, talking about who funds what, is unhelpful - looking at it bottom up seems more useful as it helps to humanise both sides.

     

     

     

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    I hope this doesn't come across as too harsh, because you're clearly not coming at this maliciously. But I find 'sensible centre ground' takes on trans people, such as this one, incredibly frustrating for a number of reasons.

    1. They always involve allusions to the idea that both sides of the 'trans debate' are as bad as each other and that either side getting what they are fighting for would be equally harmful, which just isn't true.

    2. They usually involve outright denial of the idea that the current trans panic is an organised and targeted attack by powerful people on a powerless minority. Instead they frame it as a simple group of good citizens who have organically come up with legmitimate concerns about trans people with no encouragement from any outside source. Again this just isn't true.

    3. The solution almost always involves giving the anti-trans lobby pretty much exactly what they want but framing it as a straight down the middle compromise.

     

    What you're proposing above involves trans people losing rights that they currently have and have had for decades. Its not a compromise solution.

     

  6. 2 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

    I'm still unclear about who enforces access to single sex places. I read the other day about pressure from some members of the Women's Institute (IIRC) not being happy to admit trans women. Apparently the sex at birth is their focus and they want the rules changed to reflect that view. How they would react to a trans man who despite being born 'female' turned up with a beard and male dress I have no idea. 

    Worth pointing out here that the Women's Institute have said that they have no intention of changing their policy regarding trans women.

    They have been admitting trans women as members since the 1970s - its another good example (similar to bathrooms) of the current 'hot topic' issues involving trans inclusion having actually been in place for decades and causing no problems.

    2 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

    I'm not in favour of those who were born and grew up "male" competing against "females" in many sports. I'm not to concerned about non contact sports like snooker or darts, but athletics, football, rugby etc? Emmm .. no.  I know an early 20s female who wants to be known as male, but that's about as far as my knowledge of individuals goes.

    I appreciate that this is the natural reaction, but its a bit more of a complex issue than it first appears. Post medical transition, the body of a trans women is majorly different from the body of a cis man, and not just in terms of any surgery they might undergo. Its not just a case of a trans woman in essence having a male body and all the sporting advantage that would entail.

    The process of going through hormone therapy makes major changes to your body and how it operates, including (in the case of a trans woman) reducing your muscle mass and therefore your strength. Take a look at this link for some of the effects of hormone therapy, obviously a lot of them don't relate to sport but it gives you an idea that after a couple of years your body is really fundamentally different to how it was before. For the opposite reason to this a trans man would have a big advantage if forced to compete in women's sport. The rule in many sports previously was to allow trans women to compete in women's events after a certain time period on hormone therapy.

    I'd urge you to take a read of this article on the swimmer Lia Thomas if you are interested. Its obviously not a scientific research paper but I think it helps to set out the idea that trans women competing with cis women isn't outrageous and that trans women, and Thomas in particular, don't gain the advantage you would expect at first. Its clearly an area which needs more research and has to be treated sensitively, but for me the current strategy of blanket banning isn't the answer either in terms of ensuring fairness by following what the science says [because frankly not enough science on this issue actually exists] or in terms of trying to promote inclusion.

    What I mean in terms of inclusion is that the issue of trans women in sport doesn't mainly effect pros because frankly there are vanishingly few trans women in professional sport. What it does do, particularly in the case of blanket bans at all levels which is what we are tending to see and where most sporting bodies seem to want to head, is impact everyday people. Its the one trans girl in a school who now doesn't play sport because if she wants to play football she has to play for the boys team, or the hobby runner who now doesn't enter any local races because she would have to run them registered as a man.

    Again its clearly not a straightforward issue, but right now we're increasingly seeing bodies treating it as straightforward by just implementing a blanket ban and hoping the problem goes away. Which for me isn't an adequate or fair response. We should really be researching this issue as much as possible with the aim of including trans women in women's events and trans men in men's events if at all practical.

  7. 10 hours ago, welshbairn said:

     

    It hasn't been an issue but for the last 5 years increasing hysteria on twitter about it, do you think the 1950's was a hell hole with beardy men in dresses invading women's toilets everywhere? Or even Ireland since 2015 since their GRR Act? Madness has descended on us, and not only from your side. Everyone really needs to calm down a bit, over an issue that affects a tiny proportion of the population who mostly want to just be left alone instead of being dragged into mainstream politics by social media obsessives.

    I think its worth pointing out, as an addition to your post, that whilst trans people definitely want to be left alone in the context of being a major focus of mainstream politics (especially in the current sense of just being used as a culture wars punching bag), its not the end goal.

    What trans people want is to be left alone to live their lives and also to have their rights and conditions improved. As an example, access to gender affirming care in the UK is shocking currently. You can spend years on a waiting list for an inital appointment because services are so limited. Thats something which really has to change and improve.

    Its not the case that if we can just wait out the current culture war then everything will be fine for trans people. Things would be better for sure but progress is still required which needs to be pushed for as it won't be happening on its own and the reality is there will always be people who either outright oppose it or who think it just isn't the right time.

  8. Given that Elon Musk is big into pushing 'culture wars' nonsense and trans people are the major culture wars topic for the right at the moment it's not exactly surprising that anti-trans content is being pushed onto people's timelines.

    Judging by the references to 'weirdo trans nutjobs' on this thread it's doing its job too.

  9. Not sure what was more painful there.

    The utter nonsense of throwing an unnecessary red flag in the first place, the completely predictable outcome of the restart or having to sit through 10 minutes of the Croft and Kravitz brains trust trying to work out what would happen next.

    It's obvious and shouldn't need said, but the race director should be making decisions based on safety, not entertainment value. It's been clear for a few years now that that isn't the case. And given there have been 3 race directors in that time it's clearly a series decision. None of the three have these issues in other series they've looked after.

    There should have been no red flags today and wouldn't have been in any other series (bar maybe NASCAR). A red flag to sweep up some gravel and debris FFS.

  10. 7 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

    She's certainly not what I would call bigoted but then I'd never refer to opponents as nazis (unless they actually were nazis!).

    Political discourse is in the gutter and nuance is dead. Its all literal interpretations, if you're against me you are the enemy and loads of rhetoric and misinformation/clickbait.

    I don't think statements like this really help political discourse either to be honest.

    Kate Forbes is a homophobe. That's not rhetoric, or 'you're with me or against me', or 'you're a bigot if you disagree'. 

    I'm sure she's very nice in person, it doesn't change the fact that if you believe that gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married then you are a homophobe and that will be a red line for a lot of people.

    I would say a far bigger problem in political discourse at the moment is the drive to 'well actually...' instances of people being openly intolerant of minorities with 'they're not actually a homophobe/transphobe/racist/whatever and if you point out that what they said is wrong then you're the intolerant one'. This usually ties in with acting as if that somehow makes you superior to people who are willing to call it out because you are a sensible head who can rise above the fray.

  11. At the risk of stating the obvious, you can't just pick a country with B teams integrated into their structure, reel off their good players and then say 'See, B Teams work!'. All that you've proved is that if B teams exist in a structure then young players tend to have played in them at some point.

    You haven't proved that B teams are the reason they turned out to be good players or made any contribution to their development that they couldn't have gotten in another way.

    You could just as easily pick out a nation without B teams and reel off a bunch of good players who never played in one and say 'See, B teams don't work!'. 

    This is exactly the same principle as your previous favourite country Croatia. Just because a country has B teams and reached the World Cup final doesn't mean that the two things are linked.

  12. 37 minutes ago, Satoshi said:

    He is still absolutely guaranteed to be a Scotland starter.

    What would people want Tierney to do differently? Agitate for a move publicly and upset his team in a huge season for them.

    He's been dropped not for performance but for tactical reasons. And has handled it like the model pro he is.

    He will likely get his move this summer alongside glowing references from his manager and his team mates (who say he is the best trainer at the club).

    Lesser players would have thrown their toys out the pram. I'm not at all surprised Tierney has stayed, and put 100% into training and when he gets on the pitch. Crying is for some people on this forum, not him.

    Will you actually be engaging with what other people have said at any point?

    This is about the third time today that you've made up an opinion nobody holds, written a post arguing against it and then finished off with a sage 'guess everyone on this forum is an idiot except me'.

    Appreciate that this is all just deflection because you realise you've been proven spectacularly wrong on your early season 'Tierney isn't actually second choice' thing, but actually having a discussion with people rather than making things up might be worth a go.

  13. 1 hour ago, Donathan said:

    The gay marriage question should not be governing ANYONE’S vote in this leadership election because it’s not a live issue. It was settled nearly a decade ago and none of the candidates are proposing to revisit it. I’m absolutely stunned that people are turning on a candidate over how she hypothetically would have voted on a fringe issue that was settled years ago.

     

    You can repeat it all you like but for many people LGBT rights are not a fringe issue, they have quite a big impact on their lives or the lives of their family and friends.

    Gay marriage may be settled, but plenty of LGBT rights aren't (particularly for the T part of that equation) and Kate Forbes has made it very clear she won't be progressing them and would vote against them if given the chance. That would have a direct impact on people's lives in years to come.

    It's perfectly normal not to want to vote for someone on that basis. If you have different priorities that's fine but voting based on who believes in your rights or the rights of your loved ones is a perfectly good reason. 

  14. 45 minutes ago, PHM said:

    "Sock puppet" are you 12? No doubt another handwringer who can't handle a different point of view. 

    You don't appear to have posted a point of view yet, just an irrelevant reference to Elton John.

    Feel free to give it a go at any point.

  15. 4 minutes ago, MazzyStar said:

    I didn’t say it will obviously. I’m just not sure what difference it will make to the way things currently are. 

     

    3 minutes ago, MrWorldwideJr said:

    They won't be able to tell you what the GRA involves. They won't be able to tell you what the current process for legally changing your gender involves. They won't be able to tell you anything about what transitioning or being transgender involves in general.

    Before I'd even hit send.

  16. 'Trans' people.

    Jesus Christ.

    Said similar a few weeks ago but imagine someone coming onto a thread on gay marriage (for example) and writing 'gay' people. Absolutely horrible stuff.

    The whole having your point disproven with figures and immediately declaring the figures nonsense with no explanation or justification is very Oaksoft though.

  17. To be fair, the tone of this thread from the start has been 'people who don't know very much about the subject and refuse to learn or do any research but who still have very strong opinions on it which they will refuse to share in favour of making vague implications that they are being oppressed'.

    It's worked well so far, why change now?

  18. 15 minutes ago, Satoshi said:

    So literally being the second best country of our peer group in terms of qualification isn't good enough for you?

    This is just yet another case of you identifying a single statistic, stripping it of any context and then acting as if it provides the final word on a complex issue when it clearly doesn't.

    As an example, Croatia obviously have a far better qualification and tournament record than us. They just haven't existed as a country for long enough to compete in 9 World Cups so they are down as behind us by your metric.

     

  19. Oaksoft spent his final few months on the forum having an extended heads gone about trans people and 'trans cultists'. Appreciate a lot of folk might not have seen this as he kept it mainly to the gender debate thread. Not sure if that was what got him banned, but he'd certainly been building up to saying something bannable on the subject for a while.

    If a poster had been regularly ranting and raving about, for example, 'gay cultists' they would have been quite rightly binned, so I really don't think he can have many complaints.

    You can say he was just doing it for attention rather than because he actually believed it, but I would say spewing transphobic rhetoric makes you a c**t regardless of your motivations.

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    2. Before Sunrise (1995) - d. Richard Linklater

    3. In The Mood For Love (2000) - d. Wong Kar Wai

    4. Short Term 12 (2013) - d. Destin Daniel Cretton

    5. Her (2013) - d. Spike Jonze

    6. Blue Valentine (2010) - d. Derek Cianfrance

    7. La La Land (2016) - d. Damien Chazelle

    8. Before Sunset (2004) - d. Richard Linklater

    9. Boogie Nights (1997) - d. Paul Thomas Anderson

    10. Shiva Baby (2020) - d. Emma Seligman

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