Toddy

Heard the news on the radio coming home from work. Very sad news. RIP Turnbull.

I'm pretty sure that Eric Drysdale mentioned that we offered the same deal as Q.O.S but Baird opted for them because it was less travelling. I'd need to look for the interview but I'm certain that's what he said

Didn't the profit from the Celtic home match go straight towards fixing the "smelly pitch" problem? We'd have been looking at a bigger profit it we hadn't needed to fix this.

If we get a ref like the one at tonights Stenny v Rangers game, we`d be as well not turning up.

How long will Davie be out for with that injury?

Would you be happy working on Christmas day? I`ve done it before and its crap. Everyone enjoying themselves and you`re stuck at work.

He's talking about CB's , Thomson will be at RB with Donaldson at LB

Brilliant news, well chuffed with that

I thought that too but if you go into Spence's profile, someone asked if he was away and he says he's having a joke with Thompson and doesn't know what's happening yet.

Jesus christ. Listening to big Jim on the radio just now. £35k to players and staff, £134k to HMRC and the wages due again at the end of the month..£275k i think was the figure needed in total or no administration, straight to liquidation. Hope this share issue comes quickly to help the Pars and there are people able to sort this.

I`m Craigtd over on Fantalk and couldn`t hold my tongue any longer. I`m fucking sick to the back teeth of people looking at the negatives all the time on Fantalk. Christ we`ve just played the whole 2nd half with 10 men yet won 5-2, won 4 out of 4 and scored 15 goals in the process and still people moan like f**k. We`ve conceded 7 goals to lower league teams..woop de fucking doo, it`s the Rovers we`re talking about not Chelsea, Man Utd or Barca.

Delighted that Walker`s back . Hopefully Davo follows suit when he returns from holiday.

Just read on Baird`s twitter that he`s off to Magaluf with Brian Graham. Here`s hoping Brian gets some sneaky photo`s of him and tells him he`s going to put them on the net unless he sign`s for next year

Here`s a little bit of info that i just pulled from DAFC.NET ( Thanks to Londonparsfan ). Maybe you should pass this onto any other stupid delusional Rangers fans that you may know. http://dafc.info/forum/read.php?f=1&i=1156920&t=1156920 seemed to have vanished just as I'd typed this epic educational piece aimed at delusional Rangers fans. Having invested that much time I'm bloody posting it!!!!! Actually I'm going to play in the hope we can at least educate one person as to why nobody is out to get Rangers and comparisons like these are completely pointless as the scenarios are not even remotely connected. So response is as follows: - loss for the year £162,000 (2010: loss £73,000) - surprisingly good for Rovers tbh, we're in the process of losing more than that having just been in the SPL. - balance sheet insolvent to the tune of £1.4m - not the greatest but not exactly the worst. The liabilities are being serviced as best they can and hopefully they will erode the overall debt. circa £10 million better than us and about £100 million better than Rangers not to mention less than most SPL sides. Not entirely sure what a small club being in debt has to do with the judicial process? - this excludes £201,000 of unpaid rent that the landlords have waived for the moment but retain the right to claim later. Lucky Rovers having flexible creditors, fair play for taking the time to make an arrangement that benefits them financially. - net current liabilities £310,000 - payroll taxes and VAT outstanding of £78,000 (2010: £118,000) A business has outgoings? Really? Now that is a big surprise. - was only able to pay some of its bills because other directors paid in £52,000 Well played the directors for paying the clubs bills with their own money. Now if only all clubs would do that.... going concern emphasis of matter by the auditors which cast "significant doubt on the company's ability to continue as a going concern". This is standard auditor language and due to the way football finance runs its on just about every set of footballing returns I've ever seen including ours. What is your point here? - disclosure that "the company does not have formal funding facilities in place that allow it to meet its liabilities as they fall due". Most clubs don't and again this is frequent language used by auditors in football. Again completely irrelevant to anything to do with what is happening at Rangers it just means that Rovers are a small business who don't have formal funding facilities. It doesn't mean they can't fund them. - disclosure that a group restructuring took place in 2005, the terms of which were "incorrectly documented" and an "assumed waiver of the loan ... has not in fact been made". No idea about this and I can't be @rsed looking up what happened as it's completely irrelevant to the Rangers situation. If anyone at Raith has made any errors that require a penalty then that would be investigated and charged by whichever appropriate governing body (football or financial) was the correct one to pursue the issue. I might be wrong but as far as I know no such charge has been made. Drysdale owned 0.0003% of the 327,400 ordinary shares and 0.5% of the 10,000 preference shares. If he has made any money in banking, it doesn't appear that he has invested it in football. It's his money he can do what he likes with it. If the Rovers didn't want him on the board then they wouldn't have him. There is also the possibility that he has put money into the club but not for shares. It might very well be his cash that is being used to pay the bills either as a donation or a loan. You don't know from this. Although there were payroll taxes and VAT due at the year end, these weren't necessarily overdue at that time. How £78,000 was paid in full the following month when there was only £27,000 in the bank at 30 June would be a legitimate question to ask. Likewise the year before, £118,000 taxes due but £44,000 in the bank. It is a legitimate question to ask and can probably be found in the following in the next set of accounts. Most likely a director has had to fork out his own cash to keep the club ticking over. In the interests of transparency, perhaps Drysdale would like to make a statement confirming that, during his directorship, Raith Rovers have never been late with any tax payments. If he is sitting in judgement of Rangers on these matters, surely that's the least we can expect? No. Raith's taxes are nothing to do with the case. He was sitting in judgement of an independent SFA investigation which has nothing to do with Raith Rovers. To be on that panel he would have had to pass the appropriate background checks something which the owner of Ranger's failed to do. Crucially he SFA charges are nothing to do with the taxes Rangers owe. That is another issue which should be looked at separately and if any wrong doing is found, prosecuted by the appropriate body with a punishment relative to (no more and no less) any offences that Rangers are guilty of. The SFA charges were: "Rule 1 (b): All members shall: (b) be subject to and comply with the Articles and any statutes, regulations, directives, codes, decisions and International Match Calendar promulgated by the Board, the Professional Game Board, the Non Professional Game Board, the Judicial Panel, a Committee or sub-committee, Fifa, Uefa or the Court of Arbitration for Sport; "Rule 2: Each member shall procure that its officials, its Team Staff and its players act in accordance with Rule 1. "Rule 14 (g): Full membership or associate membership may be suspended or terminated, or a fine may be issued, in any of the following circumstances:- (g) where a full member or an associate member suffers or is subject to an insolvency event. "Rule 66: No recognised football body, club, official, Team Official or other member of Team Staff, player, referee, or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA shall bring the game into disrepute. "Rule 71: A recognised football body, club, official, Team Official, other member of Team Staff, player or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA shall, at all times, act in the best interests of Association Football and shall not act in any manner which is improper." The full sanction under 14(g) could have been invoked but wasn't. Anything to do with B&B is even less relevant than the above but the one point I will answer is the companies file late returns all the time and pay the fine. It's not good practice but is unlikely to leave you as an unfit person under the SFA checks. All in all you've successfully managed to highlight that Rovers are skint and a business doing pretty much nothing (if it's biggest loss was 7K and the balance was 15K) was closed down (scary term liquidated). All of which are completely irrelevant to what is going on at Rangers. Please please copy and paste this onto whichever Rangers forum you lifted the above from so people can stop trying to make comparisons which are completely daft. There have been numerous transfer embargo's for clubs not paying money due to other clubs across the whole of Europe. This is nothing specific to Ranger both Dundee and Livi have been here. It is unfortunate for Rangers that the timing may have an impact on their market appeal but if anyone does take them over they just have to consider that in their offer. The plus side is that there will be little need for any complex tax structures as there won't be any new registrations. I don't want to see any club go to the wall but the hysteria around Rangers being hard done by is laughable. If the SFA had revoked their membership which would have been completely unprecedented then you would have a point but this is guff.

Maybe if Rangers had someone to give them money, they wouldn`t be the club who`s actually in administration...... Bring on the Jelly and Ice cream!!

I`m pretty sure that if Baird was going to move in this window, it wouldn`t be to Dunfermline as a fee would be required. St Mirren are apparently going to make a move for him so it seems though Clarke would be his replacement. Pretty gutted if Baird does go but certainly couldn`t grudge him a move to the SPL.

Joe Hamill seemingly. Rejected an offer to re-sign for Livingston.

Maybe he`ll be better suited to playing up front with a goalscorer like Baird rather than last season when he was with Tade ( who we all know isn`t an out and out striker )

What sort of team did Hibs bring? Was it full strength or a mixture of first team and youth?