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2 hours ago, JustBecause said:
Initial rumblings are very underwhelming. Remain as Juniors, remain governed by the same administration, no link up with NRSJFA, no link up with NCL, playing the same teams, win the league no promotion(unless licensed) finish bottom no relegation. Where is the difference for the Tayside clubs?
If we compare the position of the emerging WOSFL this time last year when there was real leadership and almost daily pronouncements of support from clubs who were committing themselves to participate in the new league, the current silence on the embryonic ML does give cause for concern at this critical time. Not even a news update in the Courier.
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Harmony Row Youth Club the latest applicant to surface:
https://www.harmonyrow.club/football-home
”Five applications have already been lodged including one from Harmony Row Youth Club, one of Scotland’s most revered community clubs.”
Boyd believes no club should be denied the chance to realise their ambitions and wouldn’t be against seeing an extra division tagged on to the WoSFL in years to come to accommodate teams.
“There is criteria clubs have to meet to enter at tier nine which all our member clubs currently meet, he added. “But we could possibly look at a Tier 10 which would allow a bit more room for manoeuvre albeit it would be promotion tied unless teams could demonstrate that they could make the improvements required to step up.“
Source: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/ayrshire/west-scotland-league-worth-wait-23785731
No news from the club yet but sure to appear here:
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Harmony Row Youth Club the latest applicant to surface:
https://www.harmonyrow.club/football-home
”Five applications have already been lodged including one from Harmony Row Youth Club, one of Scotland’s most revered community clubs.”
Boyd believes no club should be denied the chance to realise their ambitions and wouldn’t be against seeing an extra division tagged on to the WoSFL in years to come to accommodate teams.
“There is criteria clubs have to meet to enter at tier nine which all our member clubs currently meet, he added. “But we could possibly look at a Tier 10 which would allow a bit more room for manoeuvre albeit it would be promotion tied unless teams could demonstrate that they could make the improvements required to step up.“
Source: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/ayrshire/west-scotland-league-worth-wait-23785731
No news from the club yet but sure to appear here:
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The latest article which provides an insight into the positive direction that the WOSFL are heading:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/ayrshire/west-scotland-league-worth-wait-23785731
”Five applications have already been lodged including one from Harmony Row Youth Club, one of Scotland’s most revered community clubs.”
Boyd believes no club should be denied the chance to realise their ambitions and wouldn’t be against seeing an extra division tagged on to the WoSFL in years to come to accommodate teams.
“There is criteria clubs have to meet to enter at tier nine which all our member clubs currently meet, he added. “But we could possibly look at a Tier 10 which would allow a bit more room for manoeuvre albeit it would be promotion tied unless teams could demonstrate that they could make the improvements required to step up.“
Twitter news likely to follow:
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East of Scotland League gets wave of new applicants:
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42 minutes ago, parkcircus said:
Clubs/members could just vote not to allow new teams in this season.
It is a real shame that it is unlikely there will be enough teams to form a bottom tier “Development Division” for next season. There would be a way around the problem by permitting Reserve sides in the Development Division on the strict understanding that no progression would be available for Reserve sides to the other Tiers. However, the inclusion of Reserve sides, even from the Lowland League clubs, could be an unpopular move.
Harthill appear to be taking a big chance by not also applying to the EOSFL to cover themselves if there is a possibility that WOSFL clubs could vote to postpone accepting new clubs for the new season (with the proviso that new clubs may enter the league in 2022/23 in the bottom tier).
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1 hour ago, Arthurlie1981 said:
My reading of it was that the new teams can only not be promoted but could end up in any of the new divisions for season 22/23. For example Harthill could finish 2nd in their conference then would be at tier 7 for that coming season. Maybe I missed something.Perhaps Parkcircus can explain as it will be a critical matter for the potential 5 new clubs joining the WOSFL.
If there are not enough clubs to form a separate division, it is clear that the new clubs will need to join the Division 1 Conferences. If any of the new clubs then finish in a high position in their Conference it would seem rather harsh to make them start in 2022/23 at Tier 9 or 10. There is then the issue of ground grading to consider as well and whether the new clubs would indeed have the facilities to play in one of the higher tiers.
If there is a tranche of say 8-10 new clubs they can form their own division which is recognised as the bottom tier. The problem does not arise in those circumstances.
I am glad that I am not a football administrator and can simply point out potential pitfalls without the worries and practicalities of solving them. I hope the matter is resolved by a few late applicants.
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2 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
As you yourself offered.
The Second Paragraph being
"These local authority boundaries will not affect any club already in membership of either League. Once a Club is admitted to a League, any application to switch Leagues will not be entertained except with the prior approval of both Leagues."
Since it's entirely possible for Tayport and even Scone for that matter to choose to be founding members of a Midland League or continue to be members of the rebranded ERSJFA then the second paragraph applies to them remaining where they are.
That is why it is so important to establish the respective boundaries of the EOSFL / ML at the very outset of discussions before the ML starts encroaching upon EOSFL territory.
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17 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
Except they aren't in the EoSFL. At this point it's entirely possible they will be founding members of a new Midland Football League.
In which case if the EoSFL and WoSFL were willing to allow existing members to to be unaffected by their boundary decision, chances are the same would apply between any boundary between the MFL and EoSFL.
It is very important that the EOSFL (and LL) establish their position on their northern administrative boundary of their league at the outset of discussions. Failure to do so will create uncertainty and unnecessary administrative problems for the future such as as the possible "leaching out" of Perth clubs and northern Fife clubs. It is not rocket science to determine and endorse the administrative limits of one's league.
The fact that the EOSFL is now a strong and influential organisation should place them in the prime position to get this matter quickly sorted out. If the existing Tay bridge coordinates are suspect now is clearly the time to address the matter. If they are considered workable then approve them.
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"Boyd confirmed five teams have so far submitted applications to join the WoSFL.
Successful candidates will be parachuted into the conferences but will be unable to gain promotion in the first year.
League chiefs want to reserve that right for the original 67 member clubs.
However, an original plan to relegate seven sides from the Premier and promote three from the conferences below will go ahead.
That will allow the WosFL to establish a 16-team top flight at tier six in the SFA pyramid system the following year with a first, second and third division at tiers seven to nine."
Source: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/ayrshire/west-scotland-league-eye-summer-23776371
So with 5 new clubs (if accepted) we would see something like this for the 2021/22 season:Premier Division (20 clubs) - Tier 6
First Division - Tier 7
- Conference A (18 clubs)
- Conference B (17 clubs)
- Conference C (17 clubs)
This would translate into something like this for the 2022/23 season:Premier Division (16 clubs) - Tier 6
First Division (16 clubs) - Tier 7
Second Division (16 clubs) - Tier 8
Third Division (24 clubs) - Tier 9
- Conference A (12 clubs)
- Conference B (12 clubs)OR
Third Division (12 clubs) - Tier 9
Fourth Division (12 clubs) - Tier 10
So I suppose Harthill will be looking at Tier 9 or 10 in the WOSFL for the 2022/23 season. If they had chosen the EOSFL route they would have had the opportunity of Tier 7 dependent on their playing standards.
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Clear decision making largely based on local authority boundaries is necessary to sort out the Tay boundary conundrum in the form of a joint statement similar to the one agreed between the EOSFL and WOSFL.
“The EOSFL and authorities acting on behalf of the ML have agreed a boundary for new member applications which is based upon local authority areas. Clubs in the Fife, Perth & Kinross (south of the Luncarty line) Council areas will be directed to apply to the EOSFL. Clubs in the Angus, Dundee and Perth & Kinross (north of the Luncarty line) Council areas will be directed to apply to the ML.”
Then repeat the second paragraph of the EOSFL/ WOSFL joint statement.
This in my view would provide clarity that is currently lacking. Coordinates should be provided for the “Luncarty line” as appropriate.
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36 minutes ago, GordonS said:
Though as you know, that could lead to Tayport wining the ML, the HL, getting promoted to L2 and then getting relegated to... the LL. From which, if they got relegated, presumably they'd be in the EoS?
It may seem far-fetched but 16-17 years ago Tayport were the best Junior side in the country, and then they got relegated from the EoSJFA Premier. That's exactly the sort of trajectory that would lead to this kind of movement.
Failure to deal with the line now, while everyone is paying attention, will likely come back to bite us.
I know what my preferred resolution would be but we all wield our own crayons on this one.
Hopefully the SFA/PWG/ERJFA/ NRJFA/NCFL/HL/LL/EOSFL and Tayside clubs can quickly agree the Tay boundary conundrum.
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3 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:
How exactly can you see Harthill and Luncarty as an exception but not Tayport? The line of latitude runs through part of the town/village, just like Luncarty. The ground happens to be the wrong side of for their preference of feeder league ifthe Midland goes Highland.
The only difference is that if Tayport chose to remain with Tayside teams, they'd be the only one of the three to stick with traditional rivals.
Fife is firmly EOSFL territory. The slither of land that is north of the boundary is a cartographical anomaly. In any event the Tayport ground is outwith the “slither”.
It would be great if someone can provide a Luncarty type definition plan. I am not so good with knocking up plans.
Please FairWeatherFan provide a justification for Scone’s inclusion in the ML based on geographical parameters.
If Scone go into the ML it will represent a way that the EOSFL may “leach out” Perth clubs to the ML in the future.
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A headline we have waited an eternity for! Onwards and upwards for the Hoose. A reasonable chance of Premier Division football for 2022/23 assuming this season is declared null and void.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/fauldhouse-united-become-latest-west-23772138
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58 minutes ago, Buddy said:
Been told SJFA are meeting with the LL tonight. Things not worked out with the HL last week?
Hope that they can address the issue of the Tay boundary and the anomaly that would arise if Tayport and Scone Thistle are allowed to compete in a ML feeding into the HL.
A properly reasoned and fair justification would need to be established for Tayport and Scone to be treated as an exception. Their circumstances in my view are very different to Harthill and Luncarty.
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Kirkton AFC Facebook
News Report
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The committee and management team from Kirkton AFC will move to take over Downfield Junior Football club from the Start of season 2021 / 2022
More news to follow soon
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Kirkton afc will continue to play in the Saturday morning next season with a new manager and squad so this page will still be active all the best Barry and the lads
The above recent posts would suggest that Kirkton AFC will not be an applicant for the ML for next season.
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9 minutes ago, Marten said:
It should be considerably easier to set up than the WoSFL. There are only 17 clubs (and that's assuming that south of line Scone & Tayport join). Obviously, there has to be the provision of accepting amateur applicants, but I highly doubt there will be more than say 2 or 3 (if even that). With those numbers you can easily just rebrand the division and put it as a single division underneath the HL. There could be the potential to then split in 2 divisions to not have too big a gulf in standards, but that can be agreed for the second season or later.
HL seem to be positive to accommodate, there are obviously some hurdles to navigate, but I can't imagine they'd be too difficult.
Thanks - much appreciated. Can we assume that the new league will be operational for the 2021/22 season - covid permitting. I read on another thread that it may take a year to set up and a 2022/23 start may be more realistic.
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Always chuffed to see the EOSFL promoting the latest application they have received. Now just waiting for Stoneyburn.
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Saw this in a group chat today. It’s attributed to John Reilly, but I’ve no idea where it was originally posted. I can’t see it on the ERSJFA site:
Representatives of the the SJFA and ERSJFA met with members of the Highland league to discuss our Tayside Clubs (Midlands League) entering the SFA pyramid at tier 6. The meeting was constructive and extremely positive.
Our next stage is to engage with all parties (Highland league, North Caledonian and NRSJFA) to discuss this further.
We have also requested a meeting with the Lowland League Board to also discuss the same proposal. We await a date from them.
The PWG has been reconvened by the SFA and a meeting will be arranged for either 29 March. or 2 April 2021
Once we have all the information a meeting will be arranged with Tayside Clubs to discuss all proposals.
As always we will keep you updated.
John Reilly
ERSJFA
This is excellent news. Just wondering what would be an effective timeline for setting up the operational league.Are there any difficult hurdles that need to be navigated?
Anything that we can learn from the procedures followed in setting up the WoSFL?
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A useful article on Letham in the Scottish Amateur Football News:
https://scottishamateurfootballnews.com/2021/03/21/letham-apply-for-east-of-scotland-membership/
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One cannot but admire the progress that the WOSFL are making.
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10 hours ago, Marten said:
Finally some news on the Tayside issue. I'm keeping everything crossed that this will actually happen.
Saw this in a group chat today. It’s attributed to John Reilly, but I’ve no idea where it was originally posted. I can’t see it on the ERSJFA site:
Representatives of the the SJFA and ERSJFA met with members of the Highland league to discuss our Tayside Clubs (Midlands League)
entering the SFA pyramid at tier 6. The meeting was constructive and extremely positive.Our next stage is to engage with all parties (Highland league, North Caledonian and NRSJFA)to discuss this further.
We have also requested a meeting with the Lowland League Board to also discuss the same proposal. We await a date from them.
The PWG has been reconvened by the SFA and a meeting will be arranged for either 29 March. or 2 April 2021
Once we have all the information a meeting will be arranged with Tayside Clubs to discuss all proposals.
As always we will keep you updated.
John Reilly
ERSJFA
At last some good news to work on:1. Agree the administrative boundary of the “Midland League” - basically Angus, Perth and Kinross (excluding Perth and area in south).
2. Re-confirm the Tay Boundary differentiating ML territory from EOSFL territory.
3. Establish and confirm the boundary between the ML and NRJFA administrative areas.
4. Confirm the western boundary of the ML.
5. Confirm that Forfar West End must play in the ML as they lie within the ML administrative boundary.
6. Confirm that Tayport and Scone Thistle must play in the EOSFL as they lie within the EOSFL administrative boundary.
7. Confirm that Montrose Roselea must play in the ML as they lie within the ML administrative boundary.
Simples! A nice little Tier 6 league comprising 16 happy clubs sitting in the HL Pyramid.
What could possibly go wrong?
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A few recent news reports:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/letham-hope-exciting-new-chapter-23739205
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What an addition to the EOSFL! Really looking forward to the sight of Armadale in the league next season. Possibly within a First Division Conference?
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The formation of a new league is something you run with and promote. Why the inaction? It does not make sense.