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  1. 2 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

    A lot of this kicked off because of the mention of two Paisley based clubs being assessed, with one not meeting the criteria. As mentioned Scoutable United were turned down last year as well.

    So clubs aren't getting the red carpet treatment as someone suggested.

    One of the reasons why they haven't declared a number of applicants publicly after the deadline, is probably because now what's there on paper is being assessed in reality. With a few failing to meet the requirements.

    I think the other issue will be that a significant number of applicants will not meet the current league entry criteria. The question may then arise to the degree that the entry requirements can be relaxed to create a viable Development Division. These will be difficult issues for league management to address and I can understand why public “leaks” have been curtailed for the time being until the matter has been resolved.

  2. 1 hour ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

    If a youth team, let's say from Strathaven but it could be anywhere, has an U-18s team, an U-16s team, maybe three or four teams as you go down the age groups and wee mini 7-a-side leagues for young kids as well all under the name of "Strathaven Santos" then there at least 100 kids involved in that set up. Plus at least that number of parents/guardians/uncles/cousins/grannies who are helping out or even just showing up for encouragement. That's 200 folk involved with a club that is giving something back to its local community. 

    Why is that any more or less a part of a community than a junior club with 30 folk turning up every fortnight to watch 22 players, none of whom come from the town the club represents?

    Some clubs rely on the income from their clubhouse or other non-football related income. Why is that any different to basing their survival and income on grants or subsidies from parents?

    Maybe Bonnyton or St Cadocs will never make three figures of home fans for their regular matches but, even if they don't, they're serving their communities and offering a chance for young players to progress to the professional game. Why would anyone want to knock it? Boomer pish

    I wrote the following statement on another thread almost a month ago. I think it is relevant to the current debate.

    “It does make a lot of sense incorporating the name of the town or settlement in the club title.

    I think that we will see more Youth set-ups applying to the EOSFL and WOSFL. They are very different from the general football model. Most will trace their origins to a few dads that wanted to establish a Youth side for their sons. One team subsequently grew into two teams and the club then begins to mushroom and we have say 20 or 30 teams or perhaps more.

    Money can be raised with enthusiastic mothers an fathers. Sponsors arrive from all sorts of directions. Grants are available from local councils and other funding bodies.

    The club becomes recognised as a community service. The downside arrives when players are 16 or 18 and the more talented ones migrate to Junior/Senior clubs. A few may remain with the club and progress into Men’s amateur football.

    It is natural for those administering the club to consider at some stage creating a pathway to Senior football. This can be achieved with a partnership with a Senior club or by taking the difficult route of applying to the EOSFL or WOSFL and upgrading facilities as appropriate.

    In most cases the level of support for a newly created Senior side is likely to be very poor at the outset. Interested family members and a few youngsters who play for youth sides is probably the most that can be expected to attend games.

    However, providing that players are not paid it does not really matter. It may be possible to bring in older more experienced amateur players to swell the ranks but there is always the possibility of a clash of cultures.

    A Youth club following the Senior route can over time have built up a lot of assets from grants and membership/monthly fees (say 700 players paying say £25 annual membership and £20 monthly training/match fees). Some money may be left over for important development projects! Then add the fund raising and sponsorship elements. Whilst some youth set-ups will struggle others will not.

    The point I am making is that the funding model (assuming it works successfully) is very different for a Youth club that moves to Senior football. It will not work if the club is simply going to rely on its local support base in terms of matchday attendances.

    A successful Youth club who establishes a Senior side in my view represents a positive element for the future of the EOSFL and WOSFL . However, it does need to be carefully assessed by the respective league officials to make sure that league criteria can be properly met and the applicants proposals are truly sustainable.”

  3. 2 hours ago, EKYM said:


    I personally don't see any merit as Clubs wanting to move in to the 'professional' pyramid can just apply. Now if you asked the question about an amateur pyramid set up, that's a different question. Regarding best leagues it might be worth waiting to see what Clubs move to the WoSL and how Covid has impacted on Clubs. Think you would have a better idea after a season or two.

    Interesting. What would an amateur pyramid look like and who would initiate it? Could it be a flagship project for the Scottish Amateur FA?

  4. 22 minutes ago, Marten said:

    From what I understand, it's not even possible at this point to switch from one league to another in the pyramid as it's after the cut-off date for that and as the ML isn't official yet, no EOS clubs can join for 2021/22. I'm not saying any wants to, but if any do we'll only find it out for 2022/23.

    This would assume that the Tay boundary would change / be redefined. Any news on that front Marten? Unlike the joint WOSFL/ EOSFL statement re West Lothian, nothing has materialised on the ML / EOSFL boundary definition as far as I am aware. If this is the case north of the Tay clubs can still proceed with their applications to join the EOSFL.

  5. JustBecause has stated on the other thread that:

    ”Information  provided to Tayside teams was that at the conclusion of season 21/22 the top 6 clubs along with the top 6 from the North juniors would come together to form a Premier/superleague at tier 6 seeing those remaining teams become a 7th tier. “

    Are the ML and NL to be amalgamated for 2022/23 and are we simply witnessing an interim solution for 2021/22?

  6. 3 minutes ago, Marten said:

    Well, that answers the question about where Tayport will go. And it also explains why the rumoured EOS/ML boundary in that area follows postcode boundaries and not local authority ones. Just Perthshire to become clear and it's all good to go from that point. :) 

    Glad that the issue is finally being settled and that Tayport are able to make their favoured choice. Historically the club has always looked towards Tayside and not Fife.

  7. There appear to be intentions of the WOSFL forming a Development Division in their bottom tier if they have enough applicants. What a way to start if the ML invited Amateur and Youth teams to form a Second Division right at the outset. It would give the embryonic league a much needed structure and a mechanism for encouraging progressive clubs to develop.

    There is plenty of time at the moment for Amateur and Youth sides to consider such a proposal. Just needs someone to actively promote the concept.

  8. Coupar Angus Facebook:

    EXCITING TIMES AHEAD 🔴⚫️🔴
    We are still working away at the club and the boys have been back a few weeks for non contact training.
    We hope you are all well and keeping safe and we still can’t wait to welcome you all back when it’s safe to do so.
    An announcement which was confirmed today in the below statement which has been in the pipeline for a while.
    CAJFC are in full support of this move to Teir 6 and hope it all goes to plan for starting in season 2021/2022!
    We would also like to add that due to the 2020/2021 season now being null and void all player sponsorships will be transferred to next season.
    We hope to get back to seeing you all at Foxhall Park as soon as it’s allowed. #mtc 🔴⚫️🔴
  9. Coupar Angus Facebook:

    EXCITING TIMES AHEAD 🔴⚫️🔴
    We are still working away at the club and the boys have been back a few weeks for non contact training.
    We hope you are all well and keeping safe and we still can’t wait to welcome you all back when it’s safe to do so.
    An announcement which was confirmed today in the below statement which has been in the pipeline for a while.
    CAJFC are in full support of this move to Teir 6 and hope it all goes to plan for starting in season 2021/2022!
    We would also like to add that due to the 2020/2021 season now being null and void all player sponsorships will be transferred to next season.
    We hope to get back to seeing you all at Foxhall Park as soon as it’s allowed. #mtc 🔴⚫️🔴
  10. 21 hours ago, Dev said:

    I see that the EoS has made an official statement about the number of applications to join for next season, etc. Will the WoS be making a similar statement before very long? With 11 applications mentioned recently I wonder what the total was in the end?

    It will be very interesting to see which clubs are aiming to step up to the seniors and  which leagues they're coming from e.g. ERJFA, SoS, Amateurs, Youth, etc.

    The WOSFL are surprisingly quiet. Hope that there are no issues of concern re new applicants and that a new Development Division can be seamlessly formed for the 2021/22 season.

  11. 8 minutes ago, gaswork said:
    47 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:
    As others have said, it is an Interesting statement from the SJFA when it talks about "further developing our relationship". I wonder if that means that the SJFA would continue to administer the NRJFA and Midland Leagues (ex ERJFA).  It would put the SJFA on a par with the EOSFL, WOSFL and SOSFL in running tier 6 leagues.  It also raises the possibility of the continuation of the Junior Cup.

    Junior association and junior membership and football will continue great news for all involved and many excellent football administrators from the juniors being more and more involved. Delighted.

    The SJFA as an organisation might more fittingly be described as the Grampian and Tayside FA given their reduced footprint. In that respect they would not be that different than the EoSFA. But I do acknowledge the remnant Junior Cup and the considerable assets held by the SJFA.

  12. 4 minutes ago, Marten said:

    If the ML does indeed happen, I'd expect north of Tay EOS applicants to be directed to the ML.

    But I wonder what will happen if there are any south of Tay non-EOS applicants including one club located in the Perth suburbs. Would the embryonic ML direct them to the EOS?
     

    A decision needs to be ratified on the Tay boundary and the administrative area of the new league at the outset in order to prevent irregularities and disharmony.

  13. 15 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said:

    Based on nothing more than my gut I think Broughty might have applied 

    Speculation should keep us going over the next 4 weeks. If we think about the best 4 clubs in the East Region North and those that would have the most to lose if the ML initiative “turns turtle” I would go for:

    Broughty Athletic

    Carnoustie Panmure

    Lochee United 

    Tayport

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