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8 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
How about, no.
Another ground share that the fixture secretary has to consider and a team out of the league getting primary dates. Not much in the way of fans for any 2nd XI and there's the Development League and SPFL Reserve League set up if they care about developing young players.
If I was a club official and found that my application was being blocked by semantics I would attempt to tweak my application to run the Reserve set-up as a separate (but intrinsically linked) club. There are few examples of this down South and I think there are a few where the second side even enters the FA Vase.
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5 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
I'm not convinced it will be a popular enough applicant considering all the discussion of 'Colts' going around.
At the moment we do not know how the numbers or structure will play out but if a new division can be created of say 13 applicants, the case might be strengthened to accept Edinburgh City Reserves to bring the number up to a nicely rounded 14, particularly as they would tick all the boxes for facilities, floodlights etc.
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2 minutes ago, Burnieman said:
The monthly board meeting is tonight, and the SGM to vote on new applicants is the end of this month. Details of the applications will be circulated before that.
Heard that Edinburgh City had applied, if true then I'm assuming their reserve side? Their U20's already play in the Development League.What will be the view on Edinburgh City entering a reserve side? The club is already a prestigious long-standing EoSFA member. Assume they will play at the totally revamped Meadowbank. An impressive new venue. Edinburgh City Reserves could be the forerunner of future applications for SPFL reserve sides. I assume that Hibernian have also retained their membership of the EoSFA.
Lots of related issues and will be interesting to see how the Edinburgh City application is handled by the EOSFL.
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3 hours ago, Burnieman said:
For the benefit of everyone, Bigbro19 is a well known troll from around 2-3 years ago and was banned from here 60-70 times over that period, he is well known to @Div and @Tynierose
First he went for some guy from Glenrothes in a pretty vitriolic way, then he went for Gogsy/Kelty, and then anyone associated with wanting clubs to join the Pyramid, principally me.
I've kept well away of his deranged rantings as he frankly has a screw loose. His aim is to derail the forum and make it all about him, don't let him succeed until the mods get round to binning him. He's successfully derailed 3 threads already, just report his posts and then pop him on ignore. As you can see, he hates being ignored.
Let's get back to normality.
Thanks for the update. It is difficult to understand what is going on when out of the blue informative threads become infected by meaningless rubbish.
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Worth a listen.
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2 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
A lot of this kicked off because of the mention of two Paisley based clubs being assessed, with one not meeting the criteria. As mentioned Scoutable United were turned down last year as well.
So clubs aren't getting the red carpet treatment as someone suggested.
One of the reasons why they haven't declared a number of applicants publicly after the deadline, is probably because now what's there on paper is being assessed in reality. With a few failing to meet the requirements.
I think the other issue will be that a significant number of applicants will not meet the current league entry criteria. The question may then arise to the degree that the entry requirements can be relaxed to create a viable Development Division. These will be difficult issues for league management to address and I can understand why public “leaks” have been curtailed for the time being until the matter has been resolved.
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1 hour ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:
If a youth team, let's say from Strathaven but it could be anywhere, has an U-18s team, an U-16s team, maybe three or four teams as you go down the age groups and wee mini 7-a-side leagues for young kids as well all under the name of "Strathaven Santos" then there at least 100 kids involved in that set up. Plus at least that number of parents/guardians/uncles/cousins/grannies who are helping out or even just showing up for encouragement. That's 200 folk involved with a club that is giving something back to its local community.
Why is that any more or less a part of a community than a junior club with 30 folk turning up every fortnight to watch 22 players, none of whom come from the town the club represents?
Some clubs rely on the income from their clubhouse or other non-football related income. Why is that any different to basing their survival and income on grants or subsidies from parents?
Maybe Bonnyton or St Cadocs will never make three figures of home fans for their regular matches but, even if they don't, they're serving their communities and offering a chance for young players to progress to the professional game. Why would anyone want to knock it? Boomer pishI wrote the following statement on another thread almost a month ago. I think it is relevant to the current debate.
“It does make a lot of sense incorporating the name of the town or settlement in the club title.
I think that we will see more Youth set-ups applying to the EOSFL and WOSFL. They are very different from the general football model. Most will trace their origins to a few dads that wanted to establish a Youth side for their sons. One team subsequently grew into two teams and the club then begins to mushroom and we have say 20 or 30 teams or perhaps more.
Money can be raised with enthusiastic mothers an fathers. Sponsors arrive from all sorts of directions. Grants are available from local councils and other funding bodies.
The club becomes recognised as a community service. The downside arrives when players are 16 or 18 and the more talented ones migrate to Junior/Senior clubs. A few may remain with the club and progress into Men’s amateur football.
It is natural for those administering the club to consider at some stage creating a pathway to Senior football. This can be achieved with a partnership with a Senior club or by taking the difficult route of applying to the EOSFL or WOSFL and upgrading facilities as appropriate.
In most cases the level of support for a newly created Senior side is likely to be very poor at the outset. Interested family members and a few youngsters who play for youth sides is probably the most that can be expected to attend games.
However, providing that players are not paid it does not really matter. It may be possible to bring in older more experienced amateur players to swell the ranks but there is always the possibility of a clash of cultures.
A Youth club following the Senior route can over time have built up a lot of assets from grants and membership/monthly fees (say 700 players paying say £25 annual membership and £20 monthly training/match fees). Some money may be left over for important development projects! Then add the fund raising and sponsorship elements. Whilst some youth set-ups will struggle others will not.
The point I am making is that the funding model (assuming it works successfully) is very different for a Youth club that moves to Senior football. It will not work if the club is simply going to rely on its local support base in terms of matchday attendances.
A successful Youth club who establishes a Senior side in my view represents a positive element for the future of the EOSFL and WOSFL . However, it does need to be carefully assessed by the respective league officials to make sure that league criteria can be properly met and the applicants proposals are truly sustainable.”
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4 minutes ago, Dev said:
so none to add to those mentioned already.
Can you make one of your useful lists please Dev. I have lost track this time around.
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2 hours ago, EKYM said:
I personally don't see any merit as Clubs wanting to move in to the 'professional' pyramid can just apply. Now if you asked the question about an amateur pyramid set up, that's a different question. Regarding best leagues it might be worth waiting to see what Clubs move to the WoSL and how Covid has impacted on Clubs. Think you would have a better idea after a season or two.Interesting. What would an amateur pyramid look like and who would initiate it? Could it be a flagship project for the Scottish Amateur FA?
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22 minutes ago, Marten said:
From what I understand, it's not even possible at this point to switch from one league to another in the pyramid as it's after the cut-off date for that and as the ML isn't official yet, no EOS clubs can join for 2021/22. I'm not saying any wants to, but if any do we'll only find it out for 2022/23.
This would assume that the Tay boundary would change / be redefined. Any news on that front Marten? Unlike the joint WOSFL/ EOSFL statement re West Lothian, nothing has materialised on the ML / EOSFL boundary definition as far as I am aware. If this is the case north of the Tay clubs can still proceed with their applications to join the EOSFL.
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Good to see Luncarty committing to their second season in the EOSFL (refer above wording that should end speculation).
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Sincerely hope the Stoneyburn signings will be playing EOSFL football next season. The club have yet to confirm that they submitted their application.0 -
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JustBecause has stated on the other thread that:
”Information provided to Tayside teams was that at the conclusion of season 21/22 the top 6 clubs along with the top 6 from the North juniors would come together to form a Premier/superleague at tier 6 seeing those remaining teams become a 7th tier. “
Are the ML and NL to be amalgamated for 2022/23 and are we simply witnessing an interim solution for 2021/22?
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3 minutes ago, Marten said:
Well, that answers the question about where Tayport will go. And it also explains why the rumoured EOS/ML boundary in that area follows postcode boundaries and not local authority ones. Just Perthshire to become clear and it's all good to go from that point.
Glad that the issue is finally being settled and that Tayport are able to make their favoured choice. Historically the club has always looked towards Tayside and not Fife.
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Does the grey area in the map mean that Dundee clubs and Tayport have a choice of applying to EOSFL or ML? The area has been left grey for a reason.
The map must have been drawn by somebody ITK as most of us would have coloured Dundee yellow as part of the ML.
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A map for reference:
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A map for reference:
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I like maps and boundaries and “grey areas”:
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There appear to be intentions of the WOSFL forming a Development Division in their bottom tier if they have enough applicants. What a way to start if the ML invited Amateur and Youth teams to form a Second Division right at the outset. It would give the embryonic league a much needed structure and a mechanism for encouraging progressive clubs to develop.
There is plenty of time at the moment for Amateur and Youth sides to consider such a proposal. Just needs someone to actively promote the concept.
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Coupar Angus Facebook:
EXCITING TIMES AHEAD
We are still working away at the club and the boys have been back a few weeks for non contact training.We hope you are all well and keeping safe and we still can’t wait to welcome you all back when it’s safe to do so.An announcement which was confirmed today in the below statement which has been in the pipeline for a while.CAJFC are in full support of this move to Teir 6 and hope it all goes to plan for starting in season 2021/2022!We would also like to add that due to the 2020/2021 season now being null and void all player sponsorships will be transferred to next season.We hope to get back to seeing you all at Foxhall Park as soon as it’s allowed. #mtc
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Coupar Angus Facebook:
EXCITING TIMES AHEAD
We are still working away at the club and the boys have been back a few weeks for non contact training.We hope you are all well and keeping safe and we still can’t wait to welcome you all back when it’s safe to do so.An announcement which was confirmed today in the below statement which has been in the pipeline for a while.CAJFC are in full support of this move to Teir 6 and hope it all goes to plan for starting in season 2021/2022!We would also like to add that due to the 2020/2021 season now being null and void all player sponsorships will be transferred to next season.We hope to get back to seeing you all at Foxhall Park as soon as it’s allowed. #mtc
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Hope to see more statements of intent:
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Tayport set sights for the Highland League - read all about it:
https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/sport/football/international/tayport-excited-about-move-into-new-midlands-division-3192854
But the new Midland League is going to have to wait until June for HL ratification.