The stinger

Graffiti on the wall and Jordan Logan when he comes off after scoring [emoji23]

Some very good points made, we all just want to see the team win and do well. Its just frustrating sometimes to see all the hard work of management team and players undone with some daftness. Some teams are there for the beating, we are our own worst enemy sometimes. I think its just easier to swallow if you are beat fair and square with a better footballing side. I think we are a better team than our league position reflects but its only points on the board that count. Lets regroup and get a win next week. Glensmad saying it was a set piece so non numerical advantage but when you are down to 10/9 etc at set pieces i do think it counts, that could be an extra man in a wall or having a man to put on a post or track a runner into the box.

The red cards were very weak, i also agree ref was poor as av said several times and also stated i do not blame only starky for the defeat. You 100% right eddie got a stupid booking too. I mentioned stark in particular because in my opinion a very large portion of his bookings are avoidable and for me its a pattern with him. Eddie i am not sure about, i dont know what his discipline was like before he joined the club and only time will time if he is the same, altho he was one of the two that walked against glencairn, a match the roch should of won but went down to 9 men again and ended a draw. Bens were there for the taking yesterday and its just frustrating losing the 3 points when you are infront and in control. There are no set amount of cards that says discipline is bad or good, in some peoples opinion what might be bad might not be bad in somebody else’s. In mine it is. When you lose points because of it and players coming in for players who have been red carded and then get red carded themselves that is not ideal, just as dan man said about griff seeing at at Rossvale. Last time at Rossvale it was 2 reds again, luckily it did not cost us. As Ringford10 said, play for the team not the crowd and i feel thats how it is sometimes. Before Daw went off yesterday, during the match he was conversing with crowd on some decisions, never mind the crowd just keep head in the game. I think Stark also does this and one that sticks in my mind was at Cambuslang in the cup at start of last season. The ref and nearside linesman were abso horrific, right up there with worst i have seen. Correct me if i am wrong but i think there were 4 reds for Roch that day, 3 during match, one of which was for a sub who had not even came on yet and it was mistaking identity and 1 after fulltime whistle. The fans were singing that day that the ref was a mason to the tune of Seven nation army by the white stripes, it was quite funny, but Starkys red card was for calling the ref a masonic b*****d which thankfully was not wrote in the match report. Now the ref was abso honkin that day, but same as yesterday, when you inow the refs bad try and be wise and minimise the opportunity to give you a card by no doing anything daft. Its a strange one, what can the manager do ? Fine them a fiver or something, i don’t think there is much the manager can do. They ate all big boys and should know better. Taking a booking for team is fine, bookings happen its part of the game, its the daft ones for talking back and kicking ball away that needs cut out. It needs a player with a bot of authority on the park to say, hey, shut up, that should be the captains role but as much as Daw is a great player in my opinion he is one of the offenders too and i think has also walked a couple of times this season, as much as Daw is great and a few others are great, there no much use if away for an early shower or watching from side cause serving a ban. But on a positive note, the clubs is doing great things, ground enclosure and ongoing improvements are brilliant, the charity and community work is something to be very proud of, the social media stuff is great, mostly every fan has on something from candy merch, in the highest league in a long time and still in 2 cups. I think if candy stay in the league, which i think will happen then the season will be a success. I think just staying in the league and going on from there is a realistic target.

I heard Starky tell the bens managers dad behind the goal it was 4 reds for him, i don’t know if that included today, so i would say it was more than 2 if thats what the player himself said. How many red cards have there been in total this season ? ...Surely i am only one who thinks the discipline is bad listening to the punters during match and on way out i do not think i am. I agree with you the ref had a shocker, i said a few times ref was bad, but players need to be smarter, when you know the refs a tadger the last thing you should do is give him an opportunity, esp when you have already been booked. I was not insisting he was injury prone or saying anything about work commitments just saying he has not played every single game this season and think his games to red ratio is not one to be proud of. Even when griff came in for him he got a red card too. But hey, its all about opinions, we all have our own, we all stand and watch the same game but see it different and i am glad we do cause it would be boring if we did not.

1-0 up and abso cruising today. As soon as the ref spoke to Tierney and booked him right after you knew what kinda ref he was. Daw, already on a booking, gets awarded a free kick, the ref has actually agreed with him it was a foul against him and gives him the free kick but he ran his mouth and got a second yellow and off. 10 men with about an hour to go. Then to make things worse Starky sent off for time wasting with no sub keeper on the bench and left the team even more out to dry. As much as the ref was poor, and he was poor, why are they putting themselves in these positions to give him the opportunity to send them off or book them ? Its stupidity. How many reds is that this season for Starky ?? ...4 ? ...5 ? When you count how many games he has actually started when not been injured or banned its mental. Good shot stopper on his day there is no doubt about that but i think now the bad points are outweighing the good points with him. I do not only blame Starky for the defeat today, not at all. Just looking at it overall. The ref was not the greatest today by any means but this is not a one off. The discipline has been really poor and daft reds are very common. That ref today was not to blame for all them. I think its time not to blame refs and players should take some responsibility.

The No.1 keeper is not any better. Good shot stopper but partial to a blunder and his kick outs are shockin, not to even start on the amount of red cards he gets. To mount a real challenge in that league you need to be looking at better than that to be serious contenders.