CanadianDee

I wrote all of that before discovering that our LB was ruled out for the Hearts game and that Cummings showed up 'unfit to train' and sent home, and I never even mentioned that Charlie Adam chose this week to test out his vehicle's off road capabilities... without much success it would seem. You dinnae have to worry about the 3 points this next weekend. We can't score without Adam and we also basically are now scoring what amounts to at least one own goal per game.

Dry your eyes pal, it's a man's game and we're fighting for our lives with an injury ravaged championship level squad. At least Anderson has put everyone on notice that he intends to go down swinging if need be. Dee fans and young Max will take your 'benefit of the doubt' and file it straight into the rubbish file with the rest of the roaster Hearts fans general thoughts about ... well anything really.

Season rests on Charlie Adam's hamstrings, imo: W D L GF GA PPG GP w/Adam 11 4 3 4 14 24 1.35 GP* wo/Adam 8 0 1 7 3 11 .13 *Includes the two games where he went off in the first half with injury. Both games we were drawn 0-0 when he went off and then went on to lose albeit going ahead at County twice before gifting them the points. Basically if Adam played every game we'd be fighting it out for 4th through 6th, and if he played no games we'd be looking at the worst season in top flight history. I realise that we have the transfer window, and the other injured players to return at some point, but even if one has confidence in McPake it is still a tough window to do major surgery and all other teams have the same opportunity to make repairs. So having said that I think if Adam comes back and plays all the games from winter break on out then we'll stay up, if he plays no games we'll be down before we even get to the split and if he plays half the games we'll be walking the tightrope until game 38.

It was a pretty good effort all things considered, and Fontaine did play well until he did something that he often does... he seems to forget that we have a 'keeper on the pitch. He tries to block everything, all the time, no matter what. I admire that he will lay his body on the line for the cause, but you don't have to block every shot all the time. Today he blocked a tame effort that was headed straight towards a perfectly positioned Legzdins pushing it onto the post and then tapped in via rebound. It's essentially an own goal, and there is no need for it. Fontaine just has very little situational awareness, and he does this sort of thing frequently... didn't he just do it a few weeks ago against Rangers? Major frustration watching this goal go in after a good effort with a disastrous looking game day squad after a total minter of a week off the park, and the own goal costing us the other night as well.

You're laying it on pretty thick these days Random. Have you looked at the state of Dundee? We're a championship team moved up a level. Our manager thought they all deserved a shot a premiership football for getting promoted. The only reason we escaped the championship was because Charlie Adam dragged us over the line, he is hurt again. We started the season with the smallest squad in the league, and that team is now decimated by injury and suspension. We've got two central defenders available at the moment - Liam Fontaine, and a loanee from Luton Town that McPake pretends doesn't exist. I think our manager would rather register himself and play this weekend than let this fella play. We give up two goals a game with our preferred defence let alone whatever we're going to be running with from now until the winter break. Ross County have score 8 (EIGHT!) goals against us in twa games. James McPake is our manager.

Adam won't play... he was going for a scan on the hamstring so I wouldn't expect him to playing again until January. When Adam plays we have a shot of beating anybody (outside of the old scum as we raise the white flag and surrender to them before a ball is kicked), when Adam doesn't play we are a disaster. I mean we are often a disaster when he plays, but we have a fighting chance with him, at least. I know that before the game starts these threads often devolve into one or each set of fans saying that they are terrible and have no chance, but in this case I mean it, Dundee have no chance this weekend. For a magnitude of reasons we are a complete mess at the moment from top to bottom, and we are going to be in damage limitation mode on Saturday. If Hearts don't win by 3 clear goals it would be shocking.

Despite our recent uptick in form and how happy the the last two performances in particular have made me I'm pretty concerned for the next few weeks. Our team is on the knife edge due to injuries/cards... we can't fill the bench, and the options (aside from forwards) from said bench the other night vs St Johnstone looked uninspiring to say the least. We have the smallest roster in the league to start with, and now... Ashcroft is injured and is on 5 yellows. Adam is on 5 yellows. Sweeney is on 5 yellows. Byrne gone until Jan I believe. Sheridan gone for the season... opinions differ, but I was unimpressed. Shame about his injury, but not big miss. Jakubiak, always injured and when he has played it was pretty uninspiring stuff. Should part ways at the expiry of his contract. Fontaine at the best of times has papier mache for hamstrings. We've got 7 games between now and Jan 2nd to navigate and it is quite concerning. Forward line we have good options to see us through, midfield we're pretty thin and if we lose Charles we can't generate any offense when he isn't on the pitch. And in defense we're totally up against it. McGhee coming back soon would help as he would at least generate cover for MF and DF. It'll be interesting. We're getting very close to the official unveiling of Corey Panter whether McPake wants it to happen or not.

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That headline beggar's belief in its shitehousery. That's even worse than the usual 'bothsides' are just as bad as the other political journalism that we get here in that it's blaming fans at Dens Park. Who are the fans at Dens Park every week? Dees of course. Anyone (especially a neutral or non-football fan) glancing at that headline would associate the fans in question to meaning us! What a bunch of nonsense.

I thought I was in the twilight zone when I was reading takes here and elsewhere bigging up his performance. Sheridan, hair bobble incident aside, shirks tackles, lacks the will to get his nose dirty, and has the energy and pace of a three legged turtle. He also can't control or pass a ball in any way shape or form. I hope his injury isn't too bad for his sake, but as far as my team goes I'd happily see him drop down to emergency striker status.

I may be insane, and I know many Scots like to talk down our game, but... was that not a decent game for a neutral if they stumbled upon it watching from the States? 3 second half goals, some decent skill shown in each. Driving Scottish rain under the lights on a gorgeous pitch with a lively home crowd and good away support. Players carted off (very troubling for us as Byrne has been really good this year at what he does, and he's a solid character), another player wearing a mummy bandage on his head adding to the spectacle. Red cards for a coach and a manager, rammy's on the Dundee bench, players in each others faces. 11 minutes injury time. As a Dee fan I watched the game with my hand over my eyes half the time as even when we went up 2-0 I knew it would be nervy and we'd probably give up a silly goal - shouldn't Legzdins being doing better cutting that out before it gets to Ramirez? Regardless it was pretty entertaining, no, yes??

I suppose we all know this, but it's quite a stark reality when you look at it regarding Charlie Adam and his impact. I didn't get into minutes played exactly, but a rough basic estimate of our season so far (including the 2 cup games) with and without Adam: 5 and a half games played with Adam starting, W 2 D 2 L 2* GF 7 GA 11** 5 and a half games played w/o Adam starting, W 0 D 1 L 4* GF 1 GA 8 * note that Adam left the 'Well league game about halfway through when the game was still at 0-0, of course we would go on to lose 1-0. Basically if Charlie stays on the pitch I think we'll do enough to stay up, if he misses any more significant time we're up shite creek. ** Celtic game responsible for 6 of these

I hear you, but it's hard to shake the in your gut attachment to ones boyhood club. I mean I could've played for some club for 15 years (in an alternate universe) and I'd still be a Dee with a fondness for a club I played for. I got the feeling that outside of Motherwell that Rab would cheer for us over Celtic in a cup showdown or something. Regardless I do get your point about Barry he seems Dundee from top to bottom. Although he grew up supporting Mirren or Celtic I think. Anyways it's good to know LG was in good spirits and I really think he would've blasted that penalty into the net yesterday. Looking at the replay the Rangers goalie really made his guess early and Cummings could've rolled that ball into the other corner. Ach well, what can you do?

Rab may be fond of Celtic, but he grew up a 'Well fan and still supports them I believe. I saw him on some guy's youtube channel a wee while ago, and that was what I got out of it, but I take your point. Good that it was a fun evening though.

Well when people meet up expecting trouble ('a fight') then at some point a scuffle (a short, confused fight or struggle) usually ensues so yes it is logical. Thanks for trying to be a pendantic roaster and just not bothering with the point at all. You're worse than Chronicguy, at least he attempts to make relevant point. Thanks for adding nothing to the issue at hand.

Are you saying that you didn't participate in the vile taunts of LG the other night? I'm not saying you were or weren't, I'm asking. There must be dozens of Saints fans that can ID the flare gang. Is your club trying to root out this very problematic element within your support and identify the culprits?

It's sort of ironic that had we any players outside of the striker (Griffiths) that could finish his supper then LG would have been receiving plaudits for Wednesday night's game performance. He puts it on a plate for McGhee who misses, he links the play beautifully that led to Kerr's header, then he forces the keeper to parry a good freekick right to McMullan who makes an attempt on goal that looks like he's never seen a football before. While clearly off it upon signing LG I thought was getting up to speed and surely it was just a matter of time before we'd start scoring more especially when Adam reurns. Having said that this could be a major setback that could derail everything. If he gets 5 games (which would be insane) suspension then I'm not optimistic.

C'mon man you may be chronic, but you understand the metaphor. The point is you want to wash away all the circumstances that led up to the event including you and your own fans part in it. Your clubs fans literally inroduced the 'projectile' into the situation. You've had Griffiths (wrongly) convicted before, and so that never worked out you decided to carry on campaign another way. You know full well that most all Dees know Griffiths is a very immature person for a 31 yr old man. Most Dees also know that it was really dumb of him to kick that flare like he did, but life isn't black and white, and to pretend like this wasn't a multi-layered incident is disingenuous. Griffiths shouldn't have done it, the fan who cried to the police is a roaster. Talk of 5 game bans and now a police charge is frankly ludicrous for what it actually was especially when you consider what goes on unchallenged every week across stadia in this country.

Come off it man. You've been frothing at the mouth about Griffiths signing for Dundee since moment one. The venom with which you talk about the man on here is the same type of bile that carried it's way into the stadium on Wednesday which along with the out of control behavior of your own fans precipitated the whole incident.

I brought a bat to a fight, and then a scuffle broke out and then when I was running away somebody picked up the bat (that I brought) and threw it and hit me in the back of the legs. Aargh polis polis please help me I'm a poor victim. Oh and please ignore that I've been viciously abusing and tormenting this guy for an hour beforehand. I'm the victim, help me.

It's a real shame that guys like Chronicguy in this day and age condone hateful chants and vile abuse of a man with fragile mental health. I'd hoped we'd come further in how we view mental health struggles and the days of telling men to just toughen up were over. Sad times, imo. Also because it's clear that Perth Saints and their fans have no intention of policing and curbing their own clubs out of control traveling support both in terms of vile chanting, and public disorder. The smuggling contraband and the throwing of projectiles and pyrotechnics onto the pitch endangering the lives/safety of players, officials, ballboys, other fans and other officials needs to be throroughly investigated and a moratorium needs to be placed on Saints fans traveling until the SPFL and Police Scotland can find out what's going on with this particular club. They don't appear interested in handing over the flare aggressors so we need to step in to ensure safety.

BoJo-FC92 is most definitely, absolutely not at all even slightly bothered that he's been correctly nailed on as an absolute turncoat. It clearly hasn't bothered him at all. I'm totally shocked that he's wrong about something else as well, totally shocked that a tory walloper like you would get most things wrong. I'm very, very shocked.

^^^ Totally not rattled. The only one talking about it at this stage is you. Will you able to watch the festivities this weekend or will you be down in London carrying BoJo's bags and polishing his boots?

'no righter'. Ooft.