CanadianDee

This should end things for us Dees this weekend I would think. We've got 'keepers that cost us a goal (or two) per week, a porous backline, a midfield set of players that move around like they've got cement shoes on, and an utterly tragic and anemic forward line. Oh and a buffoon as manager. Couple all of that with St Johnstone getting a result which I think they will and we're finished. Aberdeen 3 Dundee 0

^^^^ Word salad, imo

We all understand that players skirt around the edges of the rules and often just step right over the line entirely, but the utter shamelessness of that guy yesterday was quite something. Does he have no self awareness or is he just a complete walloper? I wondered if he's got previous for this.

Ask your manager if he's got any suggestions... Your first sentence is fairly accurate in the main although I would change 'pretty embarrassing' to downright mortifying.

On a general note regarding this Aberdeen cheat #10 Besuijen. Aberdeen fans is this what this guy is all about? Does personal pride and self respect matter at all to these fellas? I mean they don't even seem to care that all of this stuff is on video and will be memorialised for all time on the interwebs. There obviously isn't the will within the footballing governing authorites of our game to stamp this sort of thing out, but it's a shame that some of the players appear to have no internal standard that they won't fall beneath.

Charlie Adam has missed 16 of our 32 games this season. In those 16 games we have collected 2 (two!!) points!

Clangers yes, they happen... but Legzdins let's shots routinely go through him like he's a hologram.

I say that because there is a big difference between keepers in the 1st and 2nd tier, and we'll have to be picking and choosing who we can try to get rid. Also we're going to have trouble attracting a quality keeper if we drop down unless we make an inspired managerial choice. Morten fans are raving about Jack Hamilton atm as being one of the best keepers they've had in two decades and one of the best in the league so that sort of suggests the level. At the premiership level Legzdins has been utterly found out with more shots, better shots and being under pressure more. He's not up to it, imo. If he gets back in the lineup soon let's hope he has an inspired run in but, I'd love to upgrade Legzdins and Lawlor regardless of league, but I don't think it's realistic. We need a major overhaul no matter what, and if we're able to move a few contracted players on I'd gladly bin Lawlor and Legzdins and sign someone new and roll with a new guy and Sharp.

Legzdins is the worst #1 keeper in the top flight. Shots go through him regularly, and he never bails us out with a big timely save. I don't care if he's playing in front of the worst backline in history. He's got to make saves more than he does. If fit, I suppose he's our best option right now, and if we go down he'd probably be fine to keep. However, if in the unlikely event we stay up we'll be needing better between the sticks, imo.

No goalies, no forwards, no manager, no Adam, worst defence in the league even if our best are all available and healthy means the chances are between slim and none for a Dee win... and slim just left town. With all the built in advantages that Sevco also have when added to the above it would be an embarrassment for them if they don't win by 6 goals, imo.

A lot of people seem to be missing this point which you have nailed. We have a team full of numpties.

I'd like to go ahead and congratulate 'Well on their 3 points pre-emptively. Charlie Adam has missed 13 league games this season through injury (one of his hamstrings is made of paper mache). In those 13 games we have collected 1 (one!!!) point!!! We are a bad team with Charle Adam, without him we are diabolical. We are also led by a roaster named Mark McGhee. For about the 4th time this season we are also a covid riddled mess. Basically what I'm saying here is that if 'Well don't win by at least 3 goals then you should empty Alexander at the final whistle.

That's major short term memory syndrome, imo. None of us know what would've happened today if McPake was the manager of course, but he has a well documented history of coaching us to humiliating defeats. McPake was a disaster, McGhee is a disaster, and Nelms is destroying our club from within and practically begging fans to stay away. I think McPake is a much more likeable guy than McGhee, but going down the road of 'this (insert bad thing) would've never happened under McPake' is an exercise in attempted revisionism that I'm not buying. We were always coming off or about to take a major embarrassment under JMcP so I don't buy any of this type of chat. An interesting question to consider may be one of given that we waited until after the window closed to fire McPake... if McGhee was the option to take over how many of us would've said maybe we should just ride out the season JMcP?

And yet we lost to them at Palmerston 1-0 a few months later!

I have no idea about whether Chapman will pan out or not, but... there is a lot of difference between Hamilton and Chapman and we're getting way out in front things by surmising anything at this juncture. For starters Hamilton is Jamaican and was only here as a favour to the Dee named Angus McNab that is involved in with the semi-pro Canadian team that signed him because they couldn't get him into the country and wanted to send him somewhere to train instead of having a lost season. Nic Hamilton would be a non-league level player in this country. Jay Chapman has over 100 games in the MLS with Toronto FC and Inter Miami, and even though I don't follow it I do know that it contains lots of good players and is a pretty good standard these days. Chapman also has caps at international level with Canada and they're better than they used to be. There is a a pretty big gap between the professional careers of Chapman and Hamilton, and it could simply be that McPake wants to be careful chucking a new guy straight into a relegation battle. Chapman could be a dud, but the only available evidence we have now (which is the CV) is that he is a much different animal than the other guy.

Oh I agree with him too. I'm glad you could decipher my post despite me typing like I was sloshed. I go back a couple of decades before you so we've seen many a terrible team, but my Gramps went back to the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s where he formed his opinion that Queens were our bogey team. To me that is more surprising of course because he was there to witness some of our footballing powerhouse versions of the Dee. But in looking at the Dee Archive we couldn't buy a win down there even during those times, and somehow they even beat us in a league cup replay in Oct '77 0-6 at Palmerston! Details are scarce about what happened that day, but regardless it's always been ingrained in me that QotS are our bogey team and I always have the fear against them, especially away.

My Gramps used to say that our bogey team was/is QotS. He says we couldnae always had trouble with them no matter the situation - cups, different leagues, stacked Dundee teams of yesteryear it may no difference as it was always a struggle, especially away from home.

This is an absurdity. Keyes and Nelms have now moved past their usual treatment of us Dees - that normally alternates between embarrassing us, or alienating us, or ignoring us. Now they've moved into the hatred/punishment phase of the cycle. Does anybody have a good, coherent explanation for what this clown show is all about or what they are trying to achieve on or off the pitch? And by clown show, I mean our entire operation, inside and out and from top to bottom.

I said 'fit' strikers as he's not expected back until pre-season I believe. Happy to be corrected on that if he's progressed faster.

Wading in again with one more thought regarding Charlie Adam... I agree that his play has been very erratic, his body language has been questionable, I'm honestly wondering what he makes of McPake. It'd be interesting to know deep down what he thinks is wrong with our whole outfit, but having said all of that: W D L PTS 13 GP w/Adam 4 5 4 17 10* GP wo/Adam 0 1 9 1 *Adam exited games away to 'Well and County in the first half. Games were drawn when he left and wound up being losses. Now we are quite capable of being hounded with him in the lineup, but we also seem utterly bereft of even a chance at points when he doesn't play. I think that we're going to need Adam to regain his form (among a host of other things going our way) and to turn things up a notch to try to overcome whatever quackery McPake has got going on in the background. Frankly I think if Charlie has packed it in already then we're finished.

I know that it is probably poor form to quote oneself, but I said this back at the beginning of January and well... in terms of fit strikers now we have Danny Mullen and Zak Rudden. So we sourced a forward from the Scottish Championship, but could only secure him by sending Jakubiak the other way. We did chase Cummings to Oz and we did fall out with Griffiths. Now I'm not defending the professionalism or lack thereof with reference to Cummings and Griffiths. How do Nelms (if he was even here?) and McPake roll into to Dens every day in January and not have a plan for this totally mapped out by say the 15th. Give Griff an offer and tell him we need to know asap because we can't be left holding the bag on the 31st. If we want to ditch Griffiths then what are we doing letting Cummings go? And if we want them both to move on then why are we left now with Mullen and Rudden??? Firstly Mullen should be a 3rd of 4th choice striker at this level, and Rudden, although very promising is being put in one hell of a tough position - we're now depending on him to come up with the goods to keep us in the top tier. Nothing like dropping him straight into the mixer. We're going to wind up with McCowan and/or McGinn leading the line at some point, aren't we? I guess what I'm saying is why don't we have another striking option here and what the hell are Keyes, Nelms and McPake playing at?

We brought in a RB from Leicester, but really a LB would've been better. McPake literally tapped Rodgers on the shoulder in Glasgow the other night and said 'hey mate I've got a cap for Norn Iron so keeping that in mind got any players going about?'. We attempted to sign a CB at the eleventh hour and are now being told that the paperwork may not have been done on time, are you effing kidding me? Oh and said defender just so happens to be a guy that we played in the relegation playoffs for Killie. McPake's scouting network appears to only extend as far as his field of vision during a game against another team or somebody he knows personally from his playing days or his pals network. How did Chapman sneak thru the tight scouting circle at Dens. And finally we appear to now be left with two 'strikers' - Rudden (who has never played at premier level), Mullen (at tier 1 in Scotland he should be a bench option only probably). Sending out Jakubiak on loan, no problem as I'm not very high on what his abilities are or future is, but to jettison Griffiths and Cummings without finding one legit replacement for them is ludicrous. I mean say what you will about them being a pair of neds (football is loaded with neds), they also happened to be 2 of the 3 players in our squad capable of turning a game with a moment of magic. No pressure on Rudden at all to score goals to keep us in this division then. I hope he turns out great, but that's a poor position to put him in. What are the chances of us having to play McGinn or McCowan as a striker in the near future? It's all a joke and all the excuses I've seen online from the happy clapper set don't wash because County, Livi, St Johnstone, and more teams got players in at the needed positions and in a much more timely fashion. As we all know it could all go pear shaped for any signings, but at least they're trying... to me it all feels white flaggish to me from the trio of doom - Keyes, Nelms and McPake. I hope I'm wrong, but I think we're gubbed. We're going to need Rudden to hit the ground running like a man possessed , we're going to need Legzdins to become Buffon, we're going to need the new RB to be the best thing since sliced bread, and we also need Charlie to get it together big time, and that's just the beginning of what we need. We'll also need St Johnstone's signings to be the biggest collection wasters ever signed since we let McIntyre loose with the signing pen. I'm hoping for the best, but I'm fearful that we're done for.

An another thing.. many of our fanbase seem to have bought into the garbage that it is near impossible to get quality loans from down south in January (or anytime in our case). It is also near impossible to do any real business until the end of the window because ... well reasons I guess. Somebody ought to tell Livi and County this stuff as they apparently hadn't heard about these realities. We play the one of the cheeks and get ragdolled like we're a League 2 outfit and many of our fans say 'well what can you do when you're up against their firepower'... meanwhile Livi, County, United, 'Well (I'm not going to check all the other teams results against them this year as you'll get my point) regularly take points off them (occasionally pop up with a win) and even in a losing effort at least don't embarrass themselves, their club and their fans. What a joke.

Well it happened today as it usually does at some point when we get back into the Premiership... my cousin (A Dee) said to me and I'm paraphrasing here - 'well you know at least we'll win some games in the Championship and you know some of those grounds are more fun to go to'. Our support is so conditioned to accept utter garbage that wanting better for our club will inevitably be met with 'well at least we've got a club to support'. I hate all of this.

The last time I was told in great detail about St Johnstone's inability to generate offence we rolled into Perth and we promptly made Kane and May look like Suarez and Messi. We are diabolical at the back. St Johnstone will score twice, can Dundee score three? I doubt it, therefore I'm hoping we can scrape out a draw with a late equaliser.