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Rob is an emotive No voter, we get it, absolutely nothing will change his nationalistic approach to this subject. Going round in circles for the next three years wont get him to change his mind. Moving forward, I was wanting to ask everyone ( including Rob) whether it would be in the best interests of Yes to be a broad church of views, or one singular vision ? I'm linking this up from Peter A Bell: At the time Yes Scotland was set up, I wholly approved of the separation of the SNP and the rest of the Yes movement. I have been forced to reconsider in the light of subsequent developments. Not that I'm saying it was a mistake. At the time, it seemed like the sensible thing to do. And it was probably necessary. Then! But this is now. The next independence referendum campaign WILL NOT be simply a rerun of the first one. We have the benefit of experience now. It would be stupid not to take advantage of what we have learned - both from our own campaign and from the anti-independence effort. They won. Something they did was effective. Let's learn from that. With hindsight we can see that the, sometimes very forceful, shunning of the SNP by the rest of the Yes campaign played right into the British establishment's demonising of the party. Because independence is inevitably and irrevocably associated with the SNP, we were effectively asking people to vote for them in one breath and saying we wanted nothing to do with them in the next. Separating the SNP and the Yes movement was a mistake. It created a weak spot which the British state - ever the masters of divide and rule - were able to take advantage of. With many on the Yes side showing themselves all too willing to be used. We must not make the same mistake again. The entire Yes campaign must embrace the SNP, not as a political party, but as the de facto political arm of the independence movement. The British nationalists will attack the SNP because they know that this is the most effective way to undermine the whole independence movement. As they did before, they will completely ignore the other pro-independence parties (OPIP) and organisations such as Labour for Independence and Women for Independence unless and until they can be used against the SNP. They will completely disregard everything people like Patrick Harvie say unless and until they say something that can be spun as a 'blow' to Nicola Sturgeon. That's realpolitik. We may not like it. But we're not going to change it. Certainly not in time for the coming campaign. Learning the lessons from all of this we must present a united front. Instead of joining in with the anti-SNP rhetoric, everybody in the Yes campaign should be defending the SNP to the very best of their ability. And if they can't, then they should just keep quiet. It simply makes no sense to damage the tool you need to get the job done. A lot of people don't like to hear this. Even as I write it, I'm not comfortable with it myself. In normal circumstances this kind of 'devotion' to a political party would be anathema to me. But these are not normal circumstances. So I urge everyone who is unequivocally and unconditionally committed to the cause of independence to avoid the customary knee-jerk reaction and just think about what I'm saying. If bringing our government home is important - which it certainly is - then it is surely worth the relatively small effort - sacrifice, if you will - of putting aside personal animosities, policy agendas and partisan loyalties for a year or so in order to win the prize"

This latest debarcle really is point and laugh material. Talk about Scottish Labour being "Fully autonomous" but "still part of UK Labour" was obviously ill-thought-out when first introduced by Kezia. In practice its going horribly for Labour, and that's a great thing.

Reason for the union #209345 from mental website UAS - "In an independent Scotland we'd be so skint we'd eat the pandas at Edinburgh Zoo" Dear Eck,Remember when you said an Independent Scotland could follow in the footsteps of Venezuela. Here is the latest--Inflation -- 720%100 Bolivars the biggest note--worth 5 U.S. Cents.To save time Money is usually weighed rather than counted. No Electricity Rioting and Looting No Foodbanks-- But they are eating the Zoo animals Cheers Arthur Patterdale {International Spectator}

Out of UK = powerful, accountable, pride, peaceful, self-respect, optimism, change. In the UK = powerless, afterthought, unwanted, war monger, terrorism, back-in-your-box

Cyclists getting electrocuted. What's not to love ?

FFS up your game. " Majority of voters want to remain in the EU, don't want a vote on it and a huge 67% believe in the EU"

I agree with but it will be a Scottish pound next time out. You'll recall I voted for brexit, and as a Yes voter I am worried the EU won't be desirable by the time Indyref2 comes around. France, Italy and Germany elections will decide that. What I disliked from your comment is the fiscal "14.5 billion black hole". The elephant in the room is the barnett formula which will be gone in 5 years / whenever Indyref2 loses. If either happens sooner.

1) Will be our pound. 2) Scotland's really rich so no dice. We'll decide at elections our fiscal travel. 3) As before. Not everyone is fixated with labeling foreigners.

...and we'll have a vote during the interim to determine the status of Scotland. It's almost like Nicola et al have thought this through......

I cant decide whether Roberto is claiming this particular street is fisty cuffs dangerous or diminishing returns as a curry house, likely to give you the runs.

Ruth comes across as someone who's completely out her depth and completely insincere. She talks about Labour "not laying a glove on the SNP" but she's been in the job for half a decade and gets utterly ragdolled every Thursday at FMQ. She's whore'd herself by becoming a mouthpiece for the mental UAS-style No voter in an attempt to pick up voters. I actually don't believe she believes have the shite she comes out with. Ruth isn't a patch on previous Conservative leaders: Annabel Goldie and the late David McLetchie. The constitutional divide has kept her in a job.

Why do they call Billy Joel - "The Piano man" ?

The 16:8 diet is a good way to fast. Whereby you eat during an agreed 8 hour slot during the day and fast for the next 16 hours. I only all myself food between 9am and 5pm

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It must hurt UK separatists to know they are not in charge. Nicola has the mandate via the last election where she was re-elected as FM under a specific pledge to hold another referendum if Scotland is taken out of the EU against our will. She has no mandate to hold an election currently, nor does she want to. But, as we seen last time, Scotland can hold a consultative referendum and time our elected choice of government chooses. The Scottish electorate is politically engaged, and perfectly understands what's going on. The only to-ing and fro-ing is from folk like you. Absolutely guaranteed you've switched positions from this "It's a once in a generation decision" to "Bring it on W.A.T.P". Perhaps Nicola won't go again until 2021 - which of course would be seven years - the UK governments' definition of a political generation. We'll tell you when us nasty Scots want another vote to make Scotland a proper, normal country.

He got an assist for the 2nd goal.

Absolutely the question anyone doubting a move into marriage should be asking themselves: Would I eat her shit off a wooden spoon? 1) Yes - Jump straight into marriage, even if you've just recently met. 2) No - End it, and find another person who's shit you'd prefer to eat ( spoon must be wooden ).

Indeed. I remember Moria going on one of her "Women deserve equal pay rants" after coming home late from her third job. I kept trying to tell her that she'll deserve equal pay when she earns what I earns, and I never forced her into looking for a fourth job. To this day I still don't think she gets it.

Trumps many letters to Alex Salmond and the one reply he received. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/letters-donald-trump-alex-salmond-wind-turbines_uk_585908ede4b0acb6e4b90a9a

Yes, and for me divorce exposes the frailties and failing of marriage. Black skinned James Brown was a pioneer of equality who made great strides healing racial tensions in the deep south. Yet, he tainted his legacy with the laughable, predictable "Its a mans world". A song so cringey we had to wait until the 90's and the Black Eyed Peas to produce a worse song. "Man made the cars to take us over the road Man made the train to carry the heavy load Man made electric light to take us out of the dark Man made the boat for the water, like Noah made the ark This is a man's, man's, man's world But it wouldn't be nothing, nothing without a woman or a girl" My ex-wife Moira was a huge exponent of this system. She was a hard worker let down by her lack of brain so earned only £97,500 between July '98 - Feb '09. During the same period I'd earned around 700k. Incorporate the minimal work need to raise our 3 bairns, and her effort to my marriage dwarfed mine. She cheated on me, yet the judge granted her 50% of my assets. If women choose to participate in bettering the world through worthwhile jobs like Derivatives, Futures Trader , Real Estate Appraiser etc then they'll earn my personal and financial respect and I could potentially re-marry. I'll never ever marry anyone who works in Cafe, or as a Primary teacher or Nurse etc. It will never be worth it.

Club Football - Developing players to sell on for profits, and reinvesting in youth. International Football - Picking best available squad for every match. Slight experiments during friendlies. I've no idea how playing a singular match for Scotland in 2016 could create a super-star in 3 years time.

^^ Not original; just predictable. Two days to come up with a semi-coherent, witty retort, and we get something akin to a post-stroke Standfree03 entry. The "Cesspool" in question - the unfortunate donee of many thousands of your inane, predictable mush. My excuse for a 8 hour lapse to reply: Another Gleneagles Friday! And we were on full greens. #Perthshire #Gleneagles #Portglasgowandgreenock

^^ Not original; Just predictable. Pleased that you think my other posting are above the level of the post you quoted. Sadly we've all read your inoperative taglines which are diminishing returns with every use. Perhaps you'll reply, or run away like you did when Swampy utterly owned your latest uneducated prediction on the US constitution. #batedbreath #teamswampy

^^ Not original: just predictable. Small dose of credit for not contesting the fact that Swampy utterly owns you on the wee boys forum. Bless x

Swampy was a Sanders man that moved to Trump after HC won the Dem ticket. Millions more did the same.