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It's fine if you can't see the bigger picture, but out-of-town stadiums have become a thing of the past for good reason. Driving to the football is just not going to be a thing for people who live within Dundee itself within ten years of any Camperdown stadium being built, so what then?

Private car ownership in cities the size of Dundee will reduce dramatically as the need to address climate change becomes greater still. To build a stadium in the mid-2020s with zero viable public transport options (and again, please do not say buses, they are not viable for a matchday basis) is ridiculously short-sighted

Don't hold your breath, Yank owners tend to not understand these type of things

And in 15 years time, the idea of travelling to games in private cars will be really strange. And don't start about shuttle buses either, they are not the optimal way of travelling to a football ground. The only thing that matters is how close it is to a station, and Camperdown miserably fails on that front

Can't believe I'm seeing so many Dundee fans excited about the possibility of moving to a completely soulless and inaccessible part of town. Football stadiums that are not within walking distance of a train station are not worth visiting. I get there are problems with Dens, but please remember such moves are permanent. Your grandchildren would have to make trips on a shuttle bus to see a home game on a freezing December midweek many decades from now. Out of town stadiums have never, and will never, work

Up to £28 for a ticket on Saturday by the way, what a joke

2-0 ahahahahahahaha

My sides hahahahahaha

Fucking lol

Glorious statistic

Barely one proven striker (feel for Shaw as he's at least a very good prospect) for the rest of the season then. Lennon has lost the head Get him to f**k, along with that *** rat Scott Allan

Haha gladly, I've debated almost every Hearts fan I know on this matter. They try and keep themselves relevant by creating mythical honours such as "the Champions League music played at Tynie ken!!!!" Minter

Aberdeen are the third biggest club in Scotland. No amount of "3 Scottish Cups in 20 years" patter changes this at all. Until either of us win a major European trophy, or come close to the same period of dominance they had in the 1980s, we will not be bigger than them

There are a few points that need addressing here. Aberdeen fans can point out that they are a bigger club than Hibs and Hearts, and that's fine, I accept that they are. I have a lot of time for Aberdeen as a club, it's my adopted city and I even try and go to the odd Dons game when Hibs are not in action. If you are willing to throw away over a century's history, just in some vain attempt to catch the Old Firm, it isn't worth it. No club will topple the Old Firm through building a new stadium. I happily take these jibes about supporting a yo-yo club, because to me, there is more to supporting Hibs than success. That is true of anyone who doesn't support the Old Firm in Scotland. You have to sit and think "what makes it special to support my club?", and if I was a Dons fan, Pittodrie - the site of your second European honour only 35 years ago, would be right up there. For me, if Hibs moved from Easter Road to a location six miles from the city centre, it wouldn't be Hibs anymore. A stadium, particularly one that has been constantly used for over 100 years, is part of the lifeblood of a club. To simply rip it up and move elsewhere in the name of 'modernity' and 'progress' seems so short-sighted to me. I hope Aberdeen remained unrelegated, and I hope they do go on to challenge the Old Firm. But ask yourselves, is it really worth it if it means you lose such a big part of your identity? In my opinion, it isn't

Again, as I've said before, I should be happy with this. This will be a significant blow for one of our historical competitors. Your attendances will plummet and you will spend £50 million plus to be stuck in a white elephant on the outskirts of town for 50-100 years, whilst both Edinburgh clubs stay in their traditional homes and invest on the playing side of things. I won't rejoice in it, because I am that saddened by the developments. This is completely irreversible, and as a fanbase, you have settled for an option that will leave an awful lot to be desired. Why not spend an extra 10-20 million on building it somewhere with good transport links? Or somewhere that the neighbours won't complain at every single decision you make in designing your ground? All to save a bit of money, ridiculous. A lifetime's impact from "the best of a bad situation"

Ironically it was a poor stadium that kept you in the top flight in the year 2000. 18 years later and it will be a poor stadium that resigns your fate to soullessness

Just goes to show that local councils of 1902 were far more intelligent than their modern day counterparts

Well in a few years time, your move will be an example to all of what not to do

I'm only using West Ham as a "be careful for what you wish for" example. I accept Kingsford will be an ok football stadium, although it's already seeming to have to compromise on the gradients of stands etc. It wouldn't shock me if Milne ending up settling on the cheapest option. It would be the final nail in the world's most incompetent coffin that is his chairmanship of Aberdeen FC

To all those rejoicing, I'll say this; Nearly everyone admits that Stewart Milne is responsible for the lack of redevelopment at Pittodrie over the last three decades. He had numerous chances to purchase land behind the Merkland and South Stands and refused to do so. Rather than driving this incompetent idiot out of your club for this, you have instead rewarded him with the chance to move your club 7 miles from the city centre, to a place with staggeringly poor transport links, in the name of supposed growth and modernity. It's a sad day for Aberdeen Football Club, as has tried to be explained repeatedly, this is irreversible, if you get to Kingsford in a few seasons time and realise (much like West Ham have with the Olympic Stadium) that it is no good for football, there's no going back. Pittodrie will be flats. And a huge part of your club's heritage and identity will have died, only to be replaced by this white elephant of a stadium

Because, as it has been said before, this is irreversible. If you do this because "it seemed like the only option at the time", then you might well come to regret it if it goes awry and you then learn that there were actually other options available. Build the training facilities, they are needed. Wait 5-10 years (Pittodrie will not collapse in that time) and seek a properly adequate new site for a new stadium. Simple as that

Kingsford might be within the city boundaries but it is still six miles from Union Street. No stadium should be that far from pubs, train stations etc.

Because it is a line of argument that has no regards for a club's history and heritage. Aberdeen have played in that area of the city for over 100 years, moving them 6 miles out of town would fundamentally change the club's identity, for worse

This attitude is infuriating

This is why I'm against Kingsford (and I accept, as a Hibs fan, my opinion counts for less, but I am a resident of Aberdeen, who cares about Scottish football) Put aside the NIMBYs out in Kingsford, who are primarily against this as it will spoil the view from their kitchen window. Think about this purely from the perspective of current, and future, Dons fans. If you are someone who has a car, or lives on that side of the city, then I accept, the location is far less of a problem. But you have to think of the support on a wider scale, many people don't drive, and won't always be bothered enough to be herded onto a shuttle bus 6 miles out of the city. What I fear, is that Milne and co. are fully aware of this. I'm not saying this from some kind of mad, conspiracy theory angle, but boards up and down Scotland tend to prefer the idea of fans being sober, driving to games with their family, not singing naughty songs, and then driving home again afterwards. That's fine for some people, and they should be catered for. Families are an important demographic for clubs to reach out to, and helping to improve the matchday experience for young fans is a good thing. But no club seems willing to cater for fans who want to stand, sing, be a bit lary for 90 minutes and then go to a nearby pub afterwards. It seems as though there is a relentless drive to sanitise football, and, in my eyes, Kingsford will be the most sterile, soulless stadium of the lot (joining many of the other newer grounds, such as McDiarmid and the Caledonian Stadium) . It shouldn't bother me so much, but it really is so frustrating to see so many Aberdeen fans sleepwalk into this. Kingsford is irreversible, put the stadium plans on hold for a bit, build the much-needed training facilities and then see how it goes from there. Pittodrie will not sink into the mud, no matter what Milne might tell you in statement after statement. There is no going back from leaving Pittodrie and moving 6 miles out of the city. I, for one, really hope it doesn't come to happen. And then actual, feasible solutions can be sought, such as that huge piece of green space right across the road from Pittodrie, which the club seem to deny exists