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Nothing changed for me, I already know we're down

Penrice posting on his Instagram that he's down in Leicester, wonder if he's getting a deal sorted with a side down that way

It's a shame that this has just become a place where Rankine and Hogarth's lackies can just spout nonsense, make as many new accounts as they want and pretend there's even a group of Livi fans that think either Rankine or Hogarth are the answer. Pure disruption and creating unrest at a time where the club needs fans to pull together. This Livi space in the forum used to be good, but this has been a 6+ month campaign of utter nonsense at this point. The one thing it's solidified in me is that if Rankine or Hogarth are in control of the club, I won't be back until they're gone. Zero interest in further lining the pockets of individuals who've already taken money out of the club. That decision has been partly down to the now 5+ fresh accounts made by the same shill.

IMO, if not for the apparent dressing room clash, Luiyi De Lucas would've been a nailed on starter for us.

This is one I've been meaning to ask you for, for a while. Nouble from this season vs Nouble of the previous seasons. Looks to most Livi fans like he's had a massive fall off in terms of quality. Would be interested in Tete Yengi v Lyndon Dykes as well. Understandable there's a low number of minutes for Tete but he's having a similar impact.

Grim.

Yeah kind of thought he would with the youth caps he's had. Encouraging to hear though!

He's got another two years left on his deal at the end of this season, so if he's showing to be any decent in that league so far - he'll be starting for us next season I'd imagine. Either that or you lump up a decent sum

Pretty much forgot about this as soon as it got drawn, happily take the split of the gate but it sounds like it's just going towards fighting stupid court cases at this point. Hooray... Just get on with it, relegate us and let me enjoy 24/25 Championship/No VAR already

If and when we do go down, Tete Yengi could be the key to us having a good season. If we let him go then I can’t see us finding a replacement who’s better or comparable. Build our attack around him at Championship level

I really rate what he brings to the team. He's more filling the void Bartley left and we never replaced to fill. Carson gets to do the dark arts dirty work and Holt gets to actually use the quality he has now

He's been doing it for ages, absolutely throwing games away. It's an ego thing, he thinks it works so he'll make it work (until it doesn't).

lol

YASSSSSSS

It was a bit of both at the time, but under Holt, yes

St Johnstone getting a free kick for two of their own players colliding?

Nearly a whole page of one guy arguing with himself, then Trumpty sends the lot and reveals his own biases. Off the park I'd heard a lot of players not 'enjoying' Martindale's coaching style. De Lucas couldn't stand him, apparently Michael Devlin can't either. Martindale seems to be a very picky person, but if you're in then you're the golden boy. Nouble being the prime example of that, his ego in sticking by Nouble has cost him big time this season. There's probably been a good 3-4 examples of bad man management that cost us the full ability of good players. See: Bruce Anderson, Aymen Souda, Hakeem Odoffin, Jack McMillan.

To be fair other club's American investors haven't wanted a return on investment, see: Dundee/Dundee Utd/Aberdeen etc. Most of them have pumped money into their clubs without asking for anything in return.

That's where you've lost the plot ffs Plenty Livi fans will have heard from him where he actually said the things he 'couldn't say'. Livi fans have a loyalty to Ward and Martindale given how far they've taken the club and where we got to with them. Rankine dragged the club through courts and literally defrauded the club via double/triple accounting. I don't see how anyone can think Rankine is anywhere near 'the good guy' in any of this. Like I've mentioned before, fresh start, get them all to f**k and stop their bickering.

From what I've seen of him (absolutely very little bar a few late sub cameos), he seems to be a bit of a deep lying CM. Done decent by all accounts at youth international levels though but completely untested in actual competitive senior football. Could be just us getting him ready to be a starter at that level next season

To be fair that probably came with the territory, was just including it without saying. IMO with a better budget he's got what it takes to be a great manager but it depends on how much you think he's poisoned his reputation at the club.

Getting quickly to the point that the club may just need a complete break, entirely new ownership. No Ward, Sumner, Rankine, Hogarth - someone to come in and actually take control of the club instead of this back and forth between two camps fighting for control. All it's doing is hindering the club.

Championship next season is going to be so much fun though!* *Until we're told we've got the smallest budget in the league again and survival is a 'success'

Right, random accounts on behalf of Hogarth etc. Instead of being cryptic, lay it out for all to read. Let the fans make of it what they want.

New account to block, hurray! Again just talking a load of shite though - say hello to Hogarth for me!