nofixedability

I find myself almost agreeing with Leggo today. That's it I'm oot!

What camp do turkeys fall into?

Bear in mind that of the non-declared twelve (with Ayr, Forfar and Queen Of The South the strongest suspects of the "lubbed arses" camp), That comment is based on what?

Awesomely, Leggo blames Speirs for getting Scotsport shut down today!

Is it coincidence that the CVA details come out on the same day as this ruling? What story do you think the papers will lead with tomorrow?

Johnston's quotes in the press this morning made me sick. A toadying weasel of a man.

Not strictly correct they did receive a 10 point deduction from SPL ( admittedly not much of a punishment).

LEGGO will have a breakdown. His blog today was real verge of tears stuff.

Correct. They could (and probably should) have delivered a far harsher penalty.

I think the SFA will have been heavily influenced in their thinking as to UEFA's stance on this. Rangers still due money to Rapid Vienna? My guess the main reasoning behind the transfer embargo. SFA cannot afford for Scottish football to get reputation as not paying debts to fellow UEFA member states otherwise impact will be on them, National team and other Scottish clubs in Europe. Also the Lee Wallace situation, how can they justify signing any further players in the near future when they haven't been able to pay for him?

I would believe a football Chairman implicitly. They never lie.

All fair points but would SKY / ESPN still pay to show all these matches over the course of a season? I doubt it. Of the Chairmen I would say only Romanov would be likely to vote against Rangers. It'll make things very uncomfortable for Lawell and Co. when all their fans are dreaming of no more Rangers and they bend over and vote to let them straight back to the top table and the status quo.

The biggest surprise would be that anyone is surprised by this.

Worked so far, has it?

It's an interesting question and it'll be enlightening to see what happens at the January window as to whether they bring in more full timers or not. Let's face it full time wages in second or third division will not work financially for any Scottish club, yet being full time gives the club a clear advantage over the other part time ones in the league. In my opinion for their long term survival they need to be part time very quickly.

Worst thing I saw at that game was the young Livi fan in the stand taking the piss out of the Down Syndrome fan behind the Forfar dugout that always shouts and generally makes a racket cheering his team on and against the opposition. When it was pointed out the wrongness of that he responded with the brilliant " I was only joking". Spotty little p***k.

But you still signed him full time. How can a team in third with crowds like that and debts to pay off (oh sorry you're not going to do that are you?) possibly "live within means" while signing any full-time players / manager /assistant? Head in sand stuff.

Deflection.

Is there not one at Livi? They seem to be able to afford all sorts of players / officials?

Wondeful paragraph that sums up LFC to a tee.

If any other club had done what Livi have done over the past decade or so, yes I would say they deserved the punishment Livingston received and a whole lot more. Personally, I think they should have been kicked out of the SFL and that they got off very lightly. My own club, Forfar, has pretty much lived within it's means for its entire history. Yes we have had and still had debt but it was always within the realms of real life. It would have been easy to run up stacks of debt as we bought our way up the leagues, buying players we couldn't afford to pay, managers we couldn't afford to pay in a stadium we couldn't afford to play in. Chasing the dream. But we, and many others didn't. A couple of seasons ago due to being skint we ended up in consecutive seasons bottom of division 2 then bottom of division 3, it hurt like hell but at least it was honest, we were there because our finances couldn't afford any more than that, we even implemented a policy that we only signed players from the local area, all because that was all we could afford at the time. Livingston brought in players they had no right to given their relative finances, they refused to pay creditors in full (still are I understand) and have generally treated people like crap. Broad statement I know, but that has been my experience with them so I'll stick with it. And how did Livingston react to being told their model was a financial disaster? They mocked other lower league clubs as unambitious and accused them of holding them back as if these clubs that were in the wrong by not wanted the precious SPL2 of Flynn, et al. Whatever McIntyre has or has not done the vote a month or so ago indicated that the vast majority of clubs in the SFL do not back Livinston's appeal and do not think they have been harshly dealt with. Livingston signed up to be a part of the SFL, if they don't want to perhaps they should resign and try to join some other association that would want them and would treat them as they should be treated.

If Livingston were getting treated unfairly (they're not in my opinion) then there would be a certain amount of justice in the world given how that football club has treated numerous players, managers, suppliers over the past few years.

Livi's own little Lord Haw Haw seems to have plenty to post though. I dare say this all absolves Livi of all their financial shenanigans over the past few years does it?

RE: Livi remaining full time. So basically nothing has changed here, the club will continue to live outwith their means and rack up more debt in an effort to jump up the leagues unfairly while other, better run, financially prudent clubs do not see any on field benefit from that. Then in one/two/three years when this mob that run Livinston pull the plug we will go through this procedure again. Livingston will screw anyone that was stupid enough to give them credit (surely no-one in Scotland is that daft?) and they can start again.

Are you saying it is undeserved given their financial actions and how it has impacted numerous business, people, etc? Really?