Shadow Play

If you refuse to submit to ground regulation 13 then they would likely apply ground regulation 17. Therefore the system would not be foiled in the way you are alluding to.

Absolutely agree that it is a disgrace for the individual that threw it. I’m not trying to be smart (I would undoubtedly fail) but with regards to how they got it in the ground I have been going to the football for many years and have never had a pat down around my groin area and I have never been strip searched - for very obvious reasons. Have you ever had that sort of search done? At a guess I would suggest they got it in the ground tucked in their underwear while wearing looser trousers. I’m not sure how you can stop such items getting in a ground in such a manner.

Just goes to show some players really do raise their game for certain opposition. It’s almost like they believe it’s a derby…..

Doc has complimented the Dundee support on numerous occasions saying how much he and the team appreciate the atmosphere. I don’t think he appreciates the sound of knitting needles with only the occasional “roaring crescendo” when things are going well.

I’m not saying your defence is blameless but I’d be more concerned with your midfield if I were you. There were two Dundee players running towards goal down your right hand side from midfield with nobody near them. In fairness to your players in defence I think they assumed Cameron wouldn’t shoot (very few players would have) and were therefore more concerned with the Dundee players running up the park to support play. Players not being tracked by your midfield. One of the players supporting our attack was McCowan. It appeared to me that was a player your players were coached to stop influencing the game so I don’t think you can criticise them too heavily for concentrating on him and the other Dundee player.

I was critical of Cameron not so long ago with regards to his defensive efforts. I thought he jumped in too quickly to tackles and was a bit lightweight. Today showed he’s absolutely worked on and improved the defensive side of his game. Cameron and McCowan are so entertaining to watch.

When I entered the car park before the game I overheard a St Johnstone fan is his late 30s / early 40s slagging a young Dundee fan for wearing shorts. He was laughing with his mates loudly proclaiming “bet he cant afford long trousers.” This comment was made despite the fact the said St Johnstone fan was wearing a Lyle and Scott top. Very strange behaviour.

Back to the football. That’s one of our poorer performances this season so particularly happy to get all three points. Especially when you consider the hostile atmosphere created by the Fair City Unity….. I thought we missed Beck today. Although Dodgson was pretty good first half I thought he was poor in the second. Hopefully that has blown away any rustiness after the international break as we will definitely have to play better to take anything from Motherwell.

The use of the word “genuinely” and referring to us as the Harlem Globetrotters had me thinking it was you trying to make out that despite Dundee’s efforts this season we weren’t that far ahead of St Johnstone and as such weren’t as good as some think we are. Just goes to show how easy it is for the tone of words to be misinterpreted on this forum. Perhaps it’s best for me just to post the following. That way everyone will know exactly what is meant by it.

Surely not as astounded as Scottish football fans everywhere would have been if that actually happened?

Only for the derbies apparently….,

Any Dundee fan looking to buy tickets better be quick. Looks like there are only 30 or so tickets left for sale (half section nearest the the St J’s fans are not for sale). Not sure what the availability of seating in the home end is like.

I heard the local beat Bobby caught her and her friend who was selling fireworks. I was told the officer charged one and let the other off.

I must admit I did. It’s at times like this I wish I was interested in golf

@SH Panda If I understand you correctly your opinion is if Tony Benn, or anyone else for that matter, did pay fees to reduce inheritance tax “that’s probably going too far.” Given the measures he took were relatively complicated I think it’s fair to say there is a good chance he would require the use of a legal / tax advisor. Alternatively, you stated “if you can take reasonable steps yourself to limit your tax burden - fair enough”. I know you’re not interested in the specifics of Benn’s Will and I only mentioned them again to give an example of why I am a little perplexed regarding your apparent stand on reducing inheritance tax. Are you saying you think it’s OK for someone who is educated in matters of inheritance tax to take reasonable measures themselves to avoid inheritance tax but you think it is “probably going too far” for someone who is not educated in these matters to pay someone to get legal and financial advice? I’m not sure that is a fair way of doing things. Like you said everyone will have their own line and that’s fair enough. Just curious why you feel there is a distinction from someone who pays to limit their inheritance tax and someone well versed in these matters who doesn’t require assistance?

I assume this is a subject you are interested in as you have spent a reasonable amount of time giving lengthy replies. You may wish to take a bit of time to google about Benn’s will. In the context of inheritance tax it makes for interesting reading. Dare I say it goes to the very heart of what it appears many people find problematic with inheritance tax. Namely most people understand that inherited wealth does increase the social divide, something that, if only for future social cohesion, requires to be addressed. It’s just that people’s love for their children and their desire to see them safe and secure is usually their over riding thought, especially when contemplating their own death.

He could have chosen to donate to charities that he verbally championed when alive rather than give so much to his family, thereby perpetuating the advantages of inherited wealth. Advantages that he was so vehemently against. Quite an easy choice really.

Tony Benn regularly stated how unfair inherited wealth was. He left his 4 children just over £1M each before inheritance tax. His financial affairs were also arranged in such a way as to reduce the inheritance tax payable. It is understood that he used trust/s and the Acceptance in Lieu Scheme (donating a record of your posts on P&B to the British Museum is unlikely to be accepted under this scheme…)

Fitness aside, I wonder if that’s why he was used more sparingly when he first came here? If true it’s definitely a good sign we are being a bit more ruthless / business like with the contracts we offer. I’d also argue the way Doc is conducting himself and the way the team is progressing it may be slightly easier to sign players that genuinely want to improve or have a point to prove. In the past I think we’ve been guilty of signing players that are simply after a big salary.

I just think being involved with three relegated teams in a row (sorry but I think you are as good as relegated) is more than just coincidence. You both appear to be alluding to the fact he’s still potentially a good manager. Nothing wrong with that as football is all about opinions. Out of interest, once he leaves Arbroath which level of club do you think he will manage next?

I’m not trying to be wise after the facts and I can understand you may think I had an ulterior motive seeing as I am a Dundee fan but as I tried to explain late January McIntyre made a very poor Dundee side worse thereby confirming relegation. He made a Cove side worse, sending them well on the way to relegation. I genuinely thought when I posted back in January he was making Arbroath worse. To me, three relegations in a row show he’s simply not up to it or alternatively it was the only gigs he was offered or they paid the most. Regardless which it is surely few clubs would now think to offer him a deal after he leaves Arbroath?

Sandy. For the avoidance of any doubt, I’m not a United fan* * I don’t usually care what people think about me but I’ve got to draw the line somewhere. I should have attached the following to my original post:

It was only the end of January you were advocating he be given time to have a fully fit squad before talking about whether he should go. I genuinely don’t know, so can I ask how long he has had a fully fit squad for now?

Regardless of how many are or are not contracted next season, United fans will be relieved to know that at least vice captain Watt is still contracted for next season. Very important to get your leaders on the pitch right…….

Sorry, I was meaning if, as many people do, you commute 1/4 of your pension at time of retirement for a lump sum payment.