Gazzah
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Just seen pather confirm on twitter they are moving from Sunday to Saturday and joining central Scottish league.
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17 minutes ago, Amateur Footie Fan said:
GARTCOSH now announced moving from SPAFA to the Calie league. Another really good club to add to Bannockburn, St Pats and Campsie who have already jumped ship from SPAFA to Calie. Never saw any of them coming but SPAFA is imploding.
That can’t leave many of the top league for next year?.
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On 22/02/2024 at 13:01, Brad Bobley said:
I make that 9 teams, as of today, who have folded from the SMAFA. That equates to almost twelve percent of their overall teams they started with.
I thought all was rosey in the morning world?
It’s all over I don’t think it’s just afternoon teams struggling. Over the next 2/3 months will see an acceleration of teams folding imo.
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20 hours ago, active8 said:
The standard of the Cally Premier is not what it was so hopefully with better additions in the next couple of years it will improve.
The standard oF amateur as a whole is not what it was due to the east and west of Scotland teams taking more players than the old junior teams used to. This isn’t a slight on the amateur game it is what it is but the previous 15 years there was teams throwing about cash left right and centre nowadays it’s not so common and the players simply play higher and get paid.
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Great original post and one I have battered on about since the introduction of this sham 20s league. By the age of 19/20 they should have a year or two at amateur under the belt to progress into men’s football properly. It’s a easy one for the so called senior teams though fills their bench on a Saturday without having to spend money.
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17 hours ago, zenon said:
Tannochside United announce today they have folded just months after reaching the quarter finals of the Amateur Cup.
The two teams who contested the 21/22 final both folded within 3 months of the final.
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On 19/08/2023 at 12:57, HibeeJibee said:
Looking at the trend over 10 years here's the number clubs that began 2013-14; and numbers still going a few weeks into 2023-24 (which will be a little too high if the most recent withdrawals haven't yet been struck off websites):
Border was 31 now 25 fall of 19%
Kingdom of Fife was 43 now 32 fall of 26%
Perthshire was 29 now 21 fall of 28%
Aberdeenshire was 85 now 60 fall of 29%
Ayrshire was 57 now 36 fall of 37%
Glasgow (all) was 160 now 86 fall of 46%
Lothian & Edin was 73 now 37 fall of 49%
Midlands was 53 now 21? fall of 60%
Stirlingshire was 45 now 12 fall of 73%
Clearly the situation is much worse in and around Glasgow, Edinburgh and Dundee than the provincial parts of Scotland (accepting that lots of clubs quit Stirlingshire for surrounding leagues). That then begs the question... why?
Is it that council or commercial pitches have become costlier in the cities, whereas rural clubs have their own or more sympathetic local authorities? Has counter-attraction of Saturday mornings drawn off numbers in the cities, whereas option doesn't exist elsewhere? Have more players 'gone senior' in the cities? Has nature of young men's employment patterns & hours altered more in the cities over last 10yrs?
Figures certainly make the lack of wholehearted consolidation in Strathclyde even more concerning.Be interesting to see this now the season is well underway. Be a fair
few casualty’s already this year.
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On 18/08/2023 at 16:37, Crazy Feet said:
I don't think it's a time for d*ck measuring and my league is better than yours carry on. The ammy game (particularly in the afternoon) is in terminal decline.
There will be nothing left of it in a handful of years at this rate.
We need solutions asap.
Decline started 5/6 years ago imo. Can’t do much to stop it either this 20s sham on a Friday night has accelerated it more too. Give it a few years and not be much left. Saturday winter pm is done and dusted. Friday nights and sat morning only leagues improving.
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Bring in photo
9 hours ago, Reader said:Sure it was Ormiston (i could be getting team mixed up) as well who stated they had played 4 ineligible players in game against them. Apparently Lochgelly had photographic evidence a player wasn't who it was claimed to be on the team sheet
Bring in photo id teamlines like the Sunday league has . Sorts all this ringers carry on out.
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4 minutes ago, ThePlayer said:
St Pats applied for the WOSFL?
Saw it on Facebook saying they have. How many teams is that from the central premier that started this season won’t be there next year ? Including the teams that folded.
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On 01/06/2023 at 14:33, Amateur Fan said:
yes i totally agree the times have changed thats why a almagamation is a way forward as the saying goes "we are all singing from the same hymn sheet " we have to form a pyramid system within the saturday afternoon leagues that allows teams to find there own level and within that system and we then move forward with a regionalized divisions outwith the premier set up
I do agree saturday afternoon is heading the way of the Titanic but surely we must do something rather than the current arrangement
The country is too vast for a pyramid at amateur. Anyone willing to travel for hours for a game these days have jumped to Eos or WOS leagues to pick up a wage. That’s adding to the decline for me. I much prefer less travel for games and don’t have boys paying money for being away for 6 hours on a Saturday as the desire isn’t what it was for that. Local games always draw better crowds and interest for me too.
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On 18/03/2023 at 10:48, Dunfermline Jag said:
Ballast bank wasn't properly enclosed and the dressing rooms were a distance from the pitch but in those respects it was no worse than Peebles Rovers and that doesn't seem to bother anyone too much.
The Swifts' plan was to improve Ballast Bank but the Council, for the sake of a couple of days per year - Inverkeithing Highland Games and and an annual car rally - wouldn't let them do what they needed to do, so they moved. There is no doubt that dalgety Bay is a better venue for pyramid football.
Not much better it’s a public sports centre with a 4 g park with a fence round it covered with blue sheeting so can’t see into the park on 3 sides.
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9 hours ago, Gaf said:
Allot of good and valid points made on this topic. The Caledonian League look to have added a few good additions where the Central League seem to be losing some and I hear it may not be the end of that. People will have a preference of both the Central and The Caledonian but you have to wonder has that merger with Central and SAFL made that league stronger? Also seen a few teams advertise that they have joined the Stirling & District. We could go around in circles all day about whats best for the game and everyone will have their own opinion and rightfully so. I don't think the issue of merging league together saves amateur football. Guys have changed, it's not how it used to be and that's right across society with everything nowadays. Do the clubs do enough to keep their players engaged and loyal to make them want to play football or is it a case of that's my best team and that's that. Work commitments, women, days out with the lads are all more important these days and each to their own, if that's what guys prefer. Saturday morning leagues are a big hit as guys can then go and watch the team they support or spend time with their families. Youngsters all want the under 20 league. Any sniff a player gets to the East or West of Scotland leagues and their off, where years ago not just any player would have got to that level. I notice Redondo refers to the Caley League about adding teams that have done nothing!!! What is it you want them to do? If you haven't done anything does that mean you shouldn't want to progress?? Again we will all have our own opinions and should be entitled to them. If you go back and look at the number of clubs pre covid and look at how the numbers have dropped since then, thats for me where the change has seriously happened. Guys haven't missed it enough. People will always look out for their own interests and rightfully so, thats how a club survives, I don't think anyone should be criticised for that. I also think people will look at how to better things but in reality will never happen.
Good post and agree on most points. After covid was the perfect time to revert to summer football too
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2 minutes ago, stanley said:
I don't think it will save the game but it will end up being the only option for some of the leagues as the numbers continue to decline. If you look at HJ's stats on the rate of decline, you're probably right that it will end up at 200 clubs in a few years time. It's a pity there aren't more young people willing to commit to playing each week. I wonder if the decline will eventually level out or just continue for years.
Having been involved for the last 15 years in welfare and now ammies I think it will continue to drop. There is the occasional few youth players come through but nothing to sustain teams. The 20s league is a killer for it most playing that will never make The clubs first team and are used to a Friday night by time it’s over and want Saturdays free.
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33 minutes ago, Redondo said:
Central Caledonian Scottish Amateur football could have had the potential for a Premier, Championship and 3 conferences which would have been interesting. 60 teams, 5 leagues of 12, 3 up 3 down with the winner of each conference getting promotion to the Championship. The 3 conferences getting drawn before each season to give an opportunity for teams to be competitive and a freshness of opponents. The Premier and Championship would be competitve and a couple of added Cup competitions , one solely for Conference teams a league cup for all.
Just a pity some cant see the wood for the trees!!!
If people think merging all sorts of leagues will save amateur then they are kidding on. It’s slowly dying a death due to numerous reasons and personally im not sure it can be stopped give it 5 years and will be about 200 team’s maximum imo . The 20s league and the east of Scotland/west of Scotland leagues have had a major impact. The generation now playing 35s are the ones who were committed etc. the generation coming through 16-20 is very worrying for grassroots football as it’s well down the list of priorities for them.
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5 minutes ago, Dunfermline Jag said:
15 to 20 minute walk. The new ground isn't in Rosyth but its about as close as you could get and not really any further from the centre of Rosyth than the Fleet Grounds.
10 minute walk maximum from train station.
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Hopefully back
To streaming the draw live for the next round.1 -
You might not be far off the mark with that. I get the impression the SJFA want a national Cup from Tier 5 downwards.
Would be aswell being a open for all as it practically is with this set up. Honestly can’t believe they have allowed this. Minute any team joined East or West of Scotland they cease to be a junior team and therefore shouldn’t be anywhere near the junior cup.1 -
If ever summed up Scottish football it’s clubs leaving a level of football and still getting to play in their old levels biggest cup. What a shambles. What next invite the Amateur teams.
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I was going to say that he looks like someone we've picked up from FEFA for the day. Not that he's done anything wrong, at all, he's just clearly fairly young and a little green.
16 looks a wee bit more composed, although other than one lovely ball into the channel he hasn't been too involved.
That’s correct the boy is at fife elite academy just saw his dad post about him playing beside Berra at the back. Sure he’s only 17.1 -
It pretty bizarre imho. None of these teams have done anything significant in the amateur game, some are in bottom leagues and a couple nearly folded just before Covid???? Surely you would only be looking to go semi pro if you were winning everything at your own level and wanted to 'progress' for increased competition. The fact almost all of them dont fit the ground criteria, and lets be honest, wont have their own ground that will fit it ever just makes a mockery of the whole thing.
Some of them could have backers willing to put money into them and they will be able to pay players so will have scope for different bodies.0 -
Not quite. It's basically calling out LTL for constantly framing it as the EoS preventing clubs from staying in the SJFA. When it's the SJFA doing that.
Harthill Royal have the option to stay in the SJFA if they wish. Even though the WoSFL will have a crowded fixture list with the league, WoS Cup, SCC, and possibly a West equivalent of the Alex Jack/Alba Cup. Yet all the other East Region juniors making the move to the EoSFL will lose SJFA membership by default of the SJFA's own rules.
Every team moving to East of Scotland or West of Scotland should lose their Junior membership. It’s laughable that it was even mooted in the first place for teams still to be able to enter the Scottish junior cup.0 -
Is there any betting available on this yet? Struggling to find anything online
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Agreed. Any thoughts about what should happen?
Should the senior leagues be limited to a set number of clubs each, depending on the area covered, or should it be open to any club that meets the criteria for joining any of the soon to be six senior leagues feeding the Highland and Lowland leagues?
Should there be something like direct promotion and relegation to some of the best amateur leagues?
You mean like a proper pyramid right to the bottom ?. Only problem with some ammie teams stepping up as you say would be they will have do declare the wages they are paying to boys. Not be many ammie teams have suitable facilities either for it.1
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Quite a few at decent Saturday teams so time will tell.