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17 minutes ago, Sarto Mutiny said:
Some laugh when Charlie Mulgrew gets the job
Please don't joke about that, surely the powers that be wouldn't be that stupid?
...,.....Hang on, you might have a point!
In all seriousness, what's he going to be like towards the new guy if he doesn't.get it?
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45 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:
John Hughes is, by all accounts, a thoroughly good bloke. He’ll lighten the mood, if nothing else. But he’s not going to drop Charlie Mulgrew; he relies more on veterans if anything.
But watching the highlights again this morning, both your centre halves need chucked. White made them both look like idiots for the second and third goals.
The third goal reminded me of the Celtic game. Jogging back towards goal with absolutely no awareness of anyone.or anything going on around them. White,.the big haddie, runs right between them for the inevitable.
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4 minutes ago, gannonball said:
A uneducated outsider here but why would someone foot the blame at Fox. Yes he should be binned but he didn't really have the credentials in the first place then was given absolutely no backing in his first transfer window and ended up with a weaker squad. They wanted a yes man but it's backfired spectacularly.
Liam Fox's comments from the DUSG on transfer window
"EVERY manager wants players in January. But they must be financially viable AND make us better. We looked
extensively and there was no one. That may be difficult to hear but that is absolutely the reality.""Liam Fox – I am very clear with the type of Player I want, I am different to Jack, different to Tam, I am clear on what I think this Club needs. I will say this in front of Tony and the Chairman, but I have only been able to bring 2 players in, every manager wants their own Players to be judged on – I was aware of this and aware of the challenge. I believe in the group and I believe we can get to where we want to, but every manager always asks for time to bring in Players and get to where they want to."
I'll make no comment on the quotes....
Their choce has backfired yes. But a competent manager would have us higher up the league. We wouldn't be spectacular, but we near enough got ourselves out of trouble and we've fucked it. We didn't strengthen, but the piss poor tactics, piss poor play and lack of fight is the main problem. Although pinning all our hopes on a 35 year old striker with no support a (just turned) 17 year old and a young Ugandan lad on his first few months out of the country into the shit show we are currently is stupid.
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2 hours ago, Pull My Strings said:
I feel quite sorry for Fox. He took over a team adrift at the bottom of the league, completely bereft of confidence and managed to turn it around (to an extent). Meanwhile, those above him have allowed decent squad options to leave and not given him the tools to replace them. This really isn't Fox's fault.
But, he has nowhere near the required level of experience and is floundering badly. He'll have to go but the blame lies elsewhere.
The problem I have is that yes options have left and not been replaced, but those that left weren't in starting line up and one, if he did get a subbie appearance, visibly couldn't give a shit.
It is Fox who is picking the starting 11. It is Fox who hasn't sorted out the slow, directionless passing between defenders allowing the opposition to close of space. It is Fox who makes substitutions that everyone guesses before kick off. It is Fox who is setting the team up for the ball to be launched long to Fletcher with no-one in support to win the 2nd ball. It is Fox who won't drop serial offenders, it is Fox who appears to not know how to use the players he does have. It is Fox that doesn't appear to know how to react to the game.
To be fair to him, he got it right against Aberdeen, the evening home game against Kille and away to Hearts prior to Edwards' red card where we seemed to do everything that we should be doing in games.
It is Ogren who appears to have his head in the sand regarding relegation. It is Asghar, (and from DUSG minutes Fox also) who couldn't find anyone to bring in. It is Asghar who failed to help weed out disruptive influences who had a history of undermining managers previously. It is Asghar to blame for Mulgrew getting a coaching role after all he has done. It is on Asghar for giving Fox a permanent manager's job beyond this season. At best it should have been to the end of the season only.
It is Ogren & Asghar's fault that we have so many employees with links to Revolution Sports.
However, the folk not getting enough grief are the players. Edwards in the DUSG minutes catagorically denied that players were not trying
"Insists the team are together, otherwise, players are moved on. The group in there is full of character and experience and we are a unit – close in all senses. Asks the audience to name players who supposedly ‘don’t care’ before exclaiming it is the worst insult you can have as a footballer. Highlights his personal circumstances alongside other players – insists absolutely no one is going out on the pitch to underperform. Addresses care/ desire is shown in different ways. Players aren’t going to go around being violent putting in bad tackles or purposeful fouls to show they care – that isn’t how football works."
We have seen it with our own eyes, players not trying 100%. Players playing within themselves, jogging about, hiding on the pitch. Very few look like they are doing EVERYTHING they can. Half hearted challenges, you could go on all night.One other thing that I saw from the DUSG minutes was this from Asghar
"One of the reasons Foxy was proposed to the Board was that the Players have bought into his methods. Yes, results don’t lie and we are bottom of the league, but the boys know where we need to get to and we ask you to stick with us."
So it is a case of his methods are shite, the players think of him as a "friend" and his too pally with the players to get the best out of them, the players are taking the piss or a combination of all of those.
TLDR Fox is not to blame for all of the issues at the club, but he is to blame for a lot of the performances on the pitch along with the shitebags in the strips!
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29 minutes ago, Dundee Hibernian said:
Mulgrew will be another cheap option, so it's likely he'll get it.
I wondered if he was playing shit to get Fox binned, but he's just playing shit.
If he is given the job after ignoring Courts' instruction, undermining Ross and his couldn't give a shit, piss poor, half assed performances on the pitch then I'm done. Mulgrew can GTF along with the rest of the clowns.
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1 hour ago, mishtergrolsch said:
I didnt mind Ogren. Seemed like an alright guy. And i really want to like him. But that interview has pissed me off.
The biggest issue is he's being too loyal to Asghar and Fox here and that's going to be what kills any good will he had with fans.
The football hasn't improved since promotion. It's gotten worse. We're most likely going to finish bottom (or 11th if we're lucky) unless something changes.
I dont care what anyone says, the playing side is the most important thing to a football club. Win games, fans happy, fans spend more money. Players sold. You can scoop it up.
Please don't sit there and say "it's easy to bury our head in the sand" then say you're not going to make any changes to any staff while also saying there's no one more disappointed than you. Because there are clearly thousands of fans far more upset than you. You are burying your head in the sand by not acting and making changes, backing a guy who's built this wildly unbalanced team that's rooted to the bottom and picked managers who've failed.
Thousands of people are spending cash during a cost of living crisis to travel around the county to watch a goalie that can't kick a ball or fall in the general direction of a football, a defence that can't stop crosses or pass forwards, a midfield that's like a seive etc etc
All constructed by two blokes you're backing.
If Fox goes, then Tony picks the next guy. He's picked the last f**k knows how many managers who've either been shite, bailed at the first chance or both. Faith in him has gone (I've never had much, if any, in him).
We're broadly just fed up at this point and we're looking to you as the boss to change things. Please don't ask us to blindly support and cheer on a team of highly paid professionals that have consistently failed to do the basics of their job. Don't ask us to cheer on a team that were so bad people accused them of downing tools for a manager when fans were paying to watch. Dont ask us to back a manager that clearly has no idea how to change a game. Don't ask us to chuck money at a sinking ship when you aren't anymore.
It's insulting.
Sorry, a bit of an incoherent ramble folks but while I appreciate him taking time to speak to fans, that's a Mark Birighitti of a video and I'm just fucking done now.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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1 hour ago, Loemba90 said:
We’ve now accepted a bid from Fulham for Rory MacLeod.
what’s the rush to sell him? Turned 17 a week ago ffs
We need money to cover the drop in income in the Championship?
Looks like the Fulham link works one way. Surely the best thing to do was to have a bidding war if he had to go.
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Just now, ArabFC said:
This is it for me. Folk talk about not making subs but even the best managers can be guilty of that.
It's the complete inability to affect the game in any way.
Yesterday we lined up differently, with a 451 and immediately we were getting some joy down the left with Behich linking up with Fotheringham to get in behind the fullbacks and we got a bunch of corners in the opening 10-15 minutes. Really basic fitba, play it out wide and get your fullback to overlap into the space available.
Once St Johnstone cottoned on to this and cut off the space there was out there, that was it, our attacking outlet was shut off.
Most teams can counteract this particular lack of space by having wide players that can create space for themselves, but we were playing Fotheringham and McGrath out wide - decent players, but clearly far more comfortable playing centrally.
Most teams have a gameplay other than, you guys are playing, go and play some fitba.
I haven't seen anything ever from Fox that shows he's capable of... anything.
Does Ogren have the fitba knowledge to realise he needs to get rid of his leadership team at the club? Doubtful.
It has been like this for weeks and weeks. Every opposition manager has us figured out. All they beed to do is cloose us down at the back, which causes absolute panic & then get back intwo banks 4 or 5 and close off the space as we slowly pass amongst ourselves thinking what to do.
Any competent manager would be able to get this squad to pick up some points. The issue is the guy in the dugout is not competent, andnis keeping repeating the same nonsence "tactics" in the hope of expecting something different to happen.
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1 minute ago, Archie McSquackle said:
Not at all, I'm old enough to have seen Narey play. Someone said the only person he should have passed to was Narey, someone else said he passed to Mulgrew because he's a coach and gave the number of caps he has along with his experience. Just pointing out the anomaly between the players and the number of caps considering the relative standard. I also said I understand the reasons why Mulgrew has more caps.
Anyway, too early in the evening for the pritt sticks!
I mentioned caps and experience just to make the point that Mulgrew, and not for the first time this season, has fucked up. He has done this inspite of everything he has done in the 17 years since he made his debut. He is not the player he thinks he is and he is now one of the coaches at the club.
I didn't uuse it to make any other.insinuation other than the fact Mulgrew has had an absolute howler which has been exacerbated by the duffer from down under.
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6 minutes ago, mishtergrolsch said:
Mulgrew is on the coaching staff but Birighitti isn't 12 years old. He's 31 and played at international level (not sure if it was at Football though). If he sees a problem that Mulgrew can't, as he can see the full picture, then he should launch it. Not just take the easy but stupid option and pass to Mulgrew.
Unless it's Dave Narey asking for the ball then he shouldn't pass to anyone and just hoof it. Safety first after clawing a goal back.
Then after he gets a hospital ball back from Mulgrew the muppet he should blooter it to Mars and not take a touch.
Yes Mulgrew was partly to blame for having zero awareness but the keeper is right to go off with a full body minter. Absolutely horrendous stuff.
He and Fox should be at the juniors.
ETA anyway its irrelevant now. What matters is that Tony and Fox are punted and people with footballing experience are recruited.
I'm not saying Birighitti wasn't at fault, he clearly was as I said he needs to first time it clear , but Mulgrew has been at fault for a few issues this season and I believe not following Courts' instructions either. He seems to be getting an easy ride but they can both GTF.
Birighitti's international career is vastly overstated. He has one cap and it was fecking years ago.
We can only hope that we can get someone in that has a clue, because we can all see where we are failing. We have more caos in the squad now than we have had for years and years. We've spent big on players. We don't need players we need a team! But surely to God there must be someone out there unntil the end of the season you can use what we've got rather than try to make them fit a system that is tacticlly inept from the start
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2 hours ago, mishtergrolsch said:
The keeper is at fault for me.
Could have toed it away with his left, could have launched it rather than pass to a centre half under pressure.
Absolute dog shit.
He could have, but Mulgrew asked for it. That is Mulgrew, member of the coaching team, Birighitti 's boss asking for the ball.
That should not have happened and Birighitti should have had the sense to ignore it.
Mulgrew was culpable as surely to god you look round before you get the ball, he still had time to hoof it anywhere, but knowing he was being chased down passed it back to a keeper he knows is not the most comfortable on the ball inbetween the posts.
Birighitti should have hoofed it first time. He looks like he was trying to do the right thing in putting it out for a throw, but took a touch and we are yet again a goal down.
Birighitti is directly at fault for being to slow, Mulgrew is indirectly at fault for doing everything a 44 cap international, league winner, cup winner, player coach, knows he shouldn't do.
The two of them can GTF as far as I am concerned.
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26 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:
What's the chances I'll be needing to make yet another next United manager thread in the next 48 hours?
We can but hope, although something tells me it might be a forlorn hope.
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1 hour ago, skinny arab said:
When we signed Niskanen he were told he was a winger but whenever he plays for Finland it’s at wingback so not sure what his natural position is meant to be. I think given his work rate/playing style he needs to be playing in a high tempo team to get the best out of him and we have to be one of the slowest most pedestrian teams in the league at times.
This. We are so slow, predictible and easy to defend against it us unreal. Yet everytime we play well or do something well on the park it appears, to me anyway, that is because we have actually moved the ball quickly, forward and stretching the oposition. For an example see Fletcher's goal yesterday.
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17 hours ago, skinny arab said:
Fair dos, recently was the wrong choice of words but earlier in the season when he was getting brought on he was poor however he definitely deserves a chance to stake a claim for a regular place as it’s not like we have a team of players who are in such form that changes shouldn’t be made.
The problem with Niskanen is he is a winger. A winger who is best at driving forward into space. He has proved this. Unfortunately we play him at left back (and sometimes right back), or we play very slowly and give him the ball surrounded by defenders.
This is one of the issues with our season. We have players, but the manager won't use them properly (or at all). He seems to have an issue with players who want to drive forward and not slow play, allegedly safe option all the time.
I find the manager's blindness utterly frustrating.
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48 minutes ago, scamp1909 said:
Is anyone actually sure why Mulgrew got POTM last night?
Every time the ball came near him I couldn't watch. I and a few mates agreed he was far from POTM.
Match sponsors wanting a photo with Mulgrew? Other than his goal,.which was very well taken, I thought he had a stinker. I've seen the description of him being "rusty".which I thought was very kind.
Fletcher for me was MOTM, can only assume they've met him before!
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9 minutes ago, Pull My Strings said:
Good result tonight but not a great performance. County looked absolutely awful for long spells but could still have nicked a couple of goals. I think we're definitely more aggressive under Fox and have learned how to score. I think that'll be enough to see us pull clear before the end of the season.
Best performance from Harkes for a long while, particularly the dirty side of the game. Smith was good as was Fletcher. Back three all looked uncomfortable and McMann struggles to create much going forward.
Thought he put.in a decent shift, not perfect, but decent. His demanding ify the ball from Birighitti, run and cross for Middleton was great and reallly good to see.
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Obviously pleased at the result, scoring of goals & winning the proverbial 6 pointer. Some nice bits of play BUT some absolute horrendous mistakes and casual play that we have witnessed time after time this season and we won't get away with against better teams.
Fox says on the radio."...Mulgrew brings calmness". He had me watching through my fingers tonight. Apart from the gaol I didn't think he had a great game. The defence has a whole were too hesitant and at times panicky.
Midfield at times is non existent allowing too much time on the ball for the opposition. Need to tighten that up
Fletcher though, for me, was head and shoulders above everyone else tonight. Hollding the ball up, closing down and harrying the county defence, bringing others into the game etc. We do need to get others to support him and get closer to him. Happened a number of times he hahd the ball, looking for support & no one with 10-15 yards of him.
Again though I am happy with the result and 3 goals. Would just love to feel confident we aren't going to do something stupid at the back and chuck it.
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30 minutes ago, ArabFC said:
This rule does not exist except in the befuddled memory banks of certain fitba fans incapable of learning.
And Robbie Neilson who uttered the same thing in his radio interview.
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1 hour ago, ArabFC said:
That was obviously what they did, but again, earmarked to leave by who? Ashgar?
Fox was caretaker - they were obviously considering him for the job full-time, but they moved Clark on anyway. And brought in another forward.
Im not even suggesting there’s anything wrong with this - it’s always made sense to me that clubs shouldn’t devolve all transfer decisions to managers that are often around for a year, or less.
The point is decisions are clearly being made without a manager, so I doubt JR had the freedom most appear to presume.
Had he always had his eye on the two Aussies for example?
I as a fan would just like the club to be honest about the decision making structure.
Birighitti was Ross signing seemingly, McGrath and Middleton were both Ross signings also.
They don't need to be as such though, recommendations are out to him, he brings his own,looks at the options and chooses 1st,2nd etc choice TA goes to try and get them. I'm sure that has been said by the club previously that's how it works, which would be them being honest, but (many) fans don't or won't believe it.
Can only assume that Clark was told.he could leave, but he'd be around until a bid came in. STJ have come in after agent has informed them about situation and off he goes. If this is refused then do you have an unhappy player? To be honest I'd have been OK with Clark staying if played along side Fletcher as Anaku was yesterday.
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My thoughts on our team/squad is we are down. Unless there is a big change then for me that's it. The season will determine exactly how bad it is.
For the squad as @SGMilnepoints out above, we signed "exciting" attacking minded players. We have signed players, but have not created a TEAM. A team is greater than the sum of its parts, what we put out appears to be less than the sum of its parts.
Not going through every player, but a few "highlights"
Edwards is not a captain, seems myopic when receiving the ball at the back and can't see players wide open, especially to his right. He also seems to be unable to make a decision quickly.
Graham seems lost, still a young lad though
Behich for someonne who has over 50 caps, won the cup and league in Turkey as well as being signed for €4 million in the past, is poor. For someone who is known for bombing forward he is completely shirking responsibility. Almost every single time the ball came to him in that first half, irrespective of the situation it was first timed right back to the defender who gave it to him. Most of the time there was 1 Saints.player in front of him and space behind for him to run in to.
Harkes, too soft, has ability, but not when under pressure in games. Harkes & McGrath cannot play in the same midfield. One or the other and on today's showing that should be McGrath.
Fletcher, seems to care, one of a few that shows they do. Needs support and time machine to go back 5 years.
Anaku looks very promising. Has pace, heart and a will to win. A few in this squad could do well to copy. Deserved his start and worked well with Fletcher
Levitt, compared to last season's best performances for me, is playing too deep. Although it has to be said that's where he was playing for Wales, but he appears lost and completely ineffectual, with games passing him by. He looked far, far better after Harkes went off and he moved further forward. He needs to be played further forward with us or he is a passenger. Having said that it doesn't help him if no one is making a move for the ball.
We play far too slowly and do not attack collectively. No one will take a shot when in position and pass the responsibility to someone else.
The lack of an aggressive DM is killing us. Ignoring what may or may not have gone on, Butcher would have torn his team mates a new arsehole in a performance like that and would have at least have earned a booking for going through someone. He would have driven the team on and a player in that ilk would have broken up attacks, and then allowed Levitt and McGrath to play. Would also have an added layer of defense before it reached the comedy of errors that is our defence.
The team is too passive, not strong enough, Harkes being brushed time after time off the ball. He wasn't the only one. The fact that there is no real reaction, no dig, no tackles, no imagination, no movement, no busting a gut, just flat nothingness is incredible. There has been one real blip at home to AZ, and the rest other than that win against Livi in the cup, is just insipid pish and that's being polite. The thing is from the on pitch reactions, some of these players just can not have any personal or professional pride, and are completely lacking in awareness of the current situation. McGrath in his DUTV interview thought we were the better team but didn't take chances. We had more possession but it's the no purpose defender to defender to wingback to defender to midfielder to defender to no one.
I'm so scunnered at the whole thing so far, so annoyed, I'm no longer annoyed if that makes sense. See no signs of getting out of the current situation, it's just shite!
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30 minutes ago, ArabFC said:
Didn’t he?
I know he said he didn’t, but what input did he actually have on transfers?
Listening to Sportsound before the game, Liam Fox was asked if he would’ve liked to have kept Nicky Clark and he responded… “That wasn’t up to me so I won’t answer that question.”
Maybe JR did want one but Fat Tony was making the call.
That was a complaint Hibs fans had over his team. While he signed Gogic, he didn't ay him that often and seemingly did the same with Sunderland.
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3 hours ago, SGMilne said:
Rumour has become fact, so let's assume that he did come in and piss of Charlie Mulgrew and Tony Watt who then rooted against him. How is that good management? How is coming in and immediately getting two of the most influential players in a side who finished fourth offside a good thing? It's not; it's nuts. Jack Ross seems to piss players off at every club he goes to, and outside of one season at St. Mirren, doesn't have a great track record.
Have to agree with pretty much everything said by @SGMilne A vast number of our fans these days have to have a "bogeyman" real or imagined. Everything has to be the fault of one person. Also opinions seem to change or indeed flip-flop as often as the date changes.
The one thing I'd expand on though is the quoted bit. I remember all the comment last season about how we had 2 managers, one in the dugout and one on the pitch. I have also seen us last year slow the play down from the back, usually at the request of 1 player, stopping us from taking advantage of the opposition being out of position, while watching Courts react negatively. It wasn't a big reaction but you could see he was not pleased. You'd then hear him in the interview talking about how he wanted the play to be quicker etc. That ties in with some of what I'd heard about one source of friction.
On the appointment he'll have my support, I just hope this isn't the easy option that doesn't annoy/upset the playing squad, and I would have given him to the end of the season, unlelss we have a walk a way option if it goes badly.
It is mostly reported that Fox lead the training and put into practice what Courts wanted & is respected by the players. Having them play for you is half the battle (or more than half) and hopefully that continues.
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8 minutes ago, johnnydun said:
Therefore disregard their views on Scottish fitba.
Sound argument.
I commissioned a pipeline in Yemen, that means I contributed to the oppression in the Arabian peninsula. Don't make me laugh.
I still sell oilfield equipment to the Saudis but from my office in Dundee, I must be the worst.
Aye, but isn't that as you said earlier because your a Dee c**t on a United thread??
I misread that as selling oil to the Saudis and was almost extremely impressed!!
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2 hours ago, invergowrie arab said:
Shot across the boughs of Asghar senior surely?
Stop burning our money
Why? Seen that line pulled in another forum, can't see why it, makes no sense. He's not being sacked, he's leaving under "mutual consent" with a nice write up, unlike others who have left recently.
The "not happy with you, so I'll not do anything to you but we'll get rid of your son you didn't want at the club in the first place" all seems a bit gangster, small time and un business like for me.
Suspect its more like an offer has come in, hes asked to be released from contract, we've thought he can go and allow new man to bring in own staff without us having to pay folk off etc.
He'll probably go to Swansea with Goldie who brought him to Tannadice.
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