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I wasn't speaking about us, I was speaking about Scottish game in general. But of course you knew that...

There's a lot of pish in that article. Shankland is not the highest paid player at the club, this has been stated in many an occasion, and while mentioning 11 players that came in in january, missing out 9 first team squad members left in summer. While only United & Dundee are above £20 only Arbroath,Alloa,Ayr & QOTS are below, the rest are £20. United took the decision to not drop prices when we came down to fund a promotion push & keep the infrastructure. It hasn't happened, but it could be argued that that extra £2 a game is what pays for the wage bill. Our issue is paying for Gussie & St. Andrews and believing that paying Premiership wages for "Premiership standard" players will do that. Some would argue they are too comfortable & believe they are better than the Championship but thats for a different argument. I'm not saying it's right, nor am I saying it's wrong, but ICT charge £20 and are looking to stave off Admin. To bring in more money they could out up prices but it would drive those that do go away. How do they make more money? £20 isn't covering their costs. Wages are too high, problem is fans won't accept not signing players. In some ways the clubs can't win.

The problem is, the clubs do not get enough money through the doors to cover costs,so prices go up. "Drop the prices and more folk will come" is the oft heard cry, but it has been done without much success. So if this is repeated where does the cash come from? Obviously though away fans should pay the same basic prices as the home fans. I keep hearing, we should be like Germany, but one thing is German clubs tend to have many,many more fans paying in than we do, outside the gruesome twosome. Is it really cheaper? RB Leipzig do have tickets from €15 but these are very limited, most of the tickets are €35-40. While over in Germany last August, visiting Leipzig, I went to Locomotive Leipzig with the young lad and we were €36 for the two of us in the stand. The enclosure would have been €18. Although that was the 4th tier. We almost went to the Dynamo Dresden game, as the other half's relative is a Dresden fan, but that was going to cost €60. The one good thing that they do is the fact local public transport is included in the price of the ticket. Poland is very cheap and Sweden IFK are between £13 to £29. How much of this though is also due to the incompetence of the SPFL to negotiate a decent tv deal, as all these countries have much more money coming in outside of tickets and we have the unsustainable English league wages right next to us driving up costs.

I wasn't using that as a stick to beat Neilson with, I was mention that as a TLDR post criticising what to me looks like an attitude problem within the playing squad. Whether it affects the coaching staff I don't know and hope it doesn't. It does seem to be behind the scenes as as far as I can see has been there the whole time in this division.

My thoughts on current situation. We have a major attitude problem at the club in the playing squad. Reynolds alluded to it on Radio Scotland when discussing Shankland's call up. He stated that there had been issues with players thinking that the Championship was easy. This was in connection with previous seasons and not this season. I' d disagree and would argue that that is STILL the case. So far this season East Fife at home, Arbroath at home (first 87minutes), Alloa away, and now QOTS away and we are only in October, whereby we have taken to the field looking like we just have to turn up. Said before that the "back where we belong", "we're a Premiership club" etc. Is nonsense and detrimental to our aims. Riles up opposition. We are a Championship club and exactly where we belong, until we prove otherwise by winning promotion. We have continually in our time signed players who have played at a "higher" level. Is this affecting us as players think its easier down here? We seem to take to the field and play within ourselves and when it doesn't go to plan they struggle to up the pace. There is no desire to fight. All anyone has to do is get straight at us, hard, close us down and we are beaten. When we take to the field and start at 100% we usually do well. Attitude problem is as clear as day and mentally weak. What I'd like to know is what the due diligence that is taken to determine the attitudes of the signings we are making, as again, its as clear as day its not been correct, or carried out properly!

Nope for me I thought he was absolutely dreadful. Could put in a cross and .... nope can't think of anything else. His last showing for us was by far and away one of the worst I've ever seen, kept hiding on the pitch running to where the ball would not be going and if he did get it jusr got rid ASAP. Sure it was QOS, never came out for 2nd half. Very disappointed in him, was expecting big things, then there were the stories of being a disruptive influence and the orange march attendances wearing Proddy Boys t shirts. Good riddance

Not a fan of that either, in fact find it completely cringeworthy and an utter embarrassment to be honest. Fair doos on the the "fair cop" though.

@Ludo*1 that's how its done. Nothing more insulting that been accused of having the Green Brigade help with your banners!!

If you want to be a dick about it, your club employed a "paedophile" in Graham Rix didn't they? In all seriousness I have no time for that absolutely pathetic type of "banter". I probably have less time than most due to spending near 6 years looking through computers & other equipment from those accused of that very charge. It is not a laughing matter or one to be "joked" about. Get a grip, grow up. The only one rattled is you by the score you come out with pathetic shite like that.

Jesus. Old firm tit for tat for that kind of chat. Absolutely no time for that kind of pathetic point scoring. If that's what your mind genuinely sees then I suggest seeking professional help. Point score via football issues,clubs and fans behaviour, but come on your surely not that old firm-esque are you?

I know it's Newsround and aimed at kids, but my God that's simplistic and complete bollocks. BBC really does tie itself in knots over this, how can a liquidated company do anything. That's far more accurate, guaranteed that won't have been written by anyone in BBC Scotland. Too scared to write the truth.

Agree, fair play to you too for that. The atmosphere was brilliant, as a game of football it was great to watch. I obviously feel better about it than you this morning, but even the ones where we've lost I can't argue that I didn't enjoy the build up, nerves and atmosphere. Can't beat it!

I didn't remember that, so defer to you, but I do remember the comments about its launch though it may not have been the official response, but as you say it clearly has absolutely nothing to do with that and everything to do with "staunchness". What's even more amazing is the fact is the fact that Ranger's fans raised it at the AGM saying it was in bad taste, they dropped it for that reason then they bring it back knowing full well what it represents and why it sells. So they can do more. Both those pundits are ex players of and grew up supporters of that club and the blinkers are well and truly on.

Today was bloody awful. I missed the talk on the orange strips, but you would have to be concerned about the ability of someone to look after themselves if they can't see why the orange shirts were pandering to the knuckle draggers. I remember when they were released RFC said it was to honour all the Dutch players, there was a collective "aye, that'll be right" from the rest of us. I have no idea what was happening at Rugby Park as all I could get was "this game is rubbish" & " the pitch, the pitch" from Biscuits, give it a rest please. The inability from Miller to grasp why a goalie couldn't take his gloves off mid game and needed someone to tie his laces was mind-numbing. Add to that his inability to comprehend why a goalie would choose to punch, especially a foreign keeper, shows how out of touch he his with the modern game. Yes I'm old enough to remember when goalies always caught to ball, but the balls back then didn't swerve and dip the way the current ones do. Open all mics used to be decent when it started, but today was amateurish and the "professional" commentators attempts to identify players really defies belief, how anyone can mistake Laurence Shankland for Nicky Clark is beyond me. There was other things I could mention, but it just merged into a mess that tries to be light hearted and informative, but in the end does neither. Sad thing is I bet I've missed the worst while at matches. Micheal Stewart came across today as the only reasonable person on it, which I'm not sure if its a compliment or a damning indictment of the programs lack of quality.

To be fair so would I, wait till after the game so it doesn't impact performance!

Looked two fantastic challenges! Could you imagine the reaction though if those were made in today's game? Though I would love to see Scott Brown or Darian Mackinnon up against that and see how much they played the hard man on the pitch after being up against that play. The Pars red card looked a bit of a dickish rake down the achilles, Pains me to say, the last goal was a cracker. Hopefully we'll not be seeing anything like that this season.

Same for me. Using Chrome on Android 9. Usually hit back and refresh site and all OK. Happening every time I browse to P&B.

Fair play, hopefully not just yet though.

Thought we were absolutely awful 1st half. Started OK but not a patch on last week. As the half went on we became worse. Back to the usual dicking about at the back, slowing the game down and letting Partick regroup. The few times we did attack quickly it was a launched ball and the cross was shit, or the obvious choice wasn't made (McMullan). The freekicks were gash too and the least said about McMullan at the goal the better. Second half, not saying it was brilliant, bit much quicker, passes were actually made and we did play at times some decent stuff. McMullan had a couple of decent crosses, and if Appere had gambled, he would have scored from Stanton's ball. Two not perfect goals but the play leading up to them was better and players were there to take the chances. Still room for improvement but 6 from 6 with +4 goal difference can't be bad knowing you can play better. We kept going in that game, a position I wouldn't have been confident in getting points from before, so again should take that as a positive. Onwards to Dunfermline now.

May be, but he's our c**t!

Tells you here, in the Scottish FA Handbook 2019-2020. All clubs mist have registered their kit designs by 1st June. Shows us registering an all black away strip for this year. Does mean could be dark gray stripes or tangerine pin stripes as that would still be classed as black.

According to Kilmarnock it was because of searches for pyrotechnics.

Would love to see these two live up to the expectation, I'm not convinced they ever will though. Actually wouldn't be surprised if we never laid eyes on Sow again tbh. Pawlett will. We saw what he brought to the team when he signed (Morton at Tannadice for example). Unfortunately he got injured and in our Wisdom management thought it was better to play him unfit and taking injections ( could hardly walk after games) where he toiled, than leave him to get over his injury. Could be back for Thistle. Sow I think they are being very careful with, Robbie I think said the club were helping him with non football "difficulties" too. IF he can stay fit he could be handy. Should be ready by the Pars game.

Thoroughly enjoyed that today. Was very nervous seeing Stanton in the middle with Butcher, BUT he played well, as well as I've seen him play for a season and a half. Shankland will get all the plaudits and so he should he was excellent, but Louis Appere for me, was very good, 2 assists, greats runs, made a right royal nusance of himself to the ICT defense. Very good first start in the league and should give him a good platform to build one. Hopefully the first of many starts. To be fair no failures at all today, and a great 1st game of the season.

That's up on last season, at this stage, is it not? The 4500 of last season was boosted by the half season tickets if I'm not mistaken.