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Definately this for me Although @stumigoo 's other option is up there for me as it was the first time (only time??) My young lad has been to a final and seen the club win a trophy. His face and reaction was priceless.

Wouldn't be in favour of it based on how it has been used in England. The cost would be prohibitive for SPFL clubs, realistically who could afford to put out the amount of money required, other than 2 clubs? Where I would be in favour is it is ONLY used where "a clear AND obvious error has occured". Someone offside by a few mm or indeed cms does not meet the criteria. Penalty decisions that need watched 5/6 times and still not 100% doesn't meet the criteria. If it comes in and is used as it is in England it will kill the game.

My work do this too. They tell me what they will pay me for a year, then they split it into months. They call it wages here. He is not a registered United player. He has received a pay off settlement. Rather than have all his settlement in a one go,it has been agreed as part of settlement agreement to be split. Its a fairly old concept, used by many. As Aird would not leave without a settlement of his contract this would have been the agreed route, although in my opinion he should have been punted for A) impersonating a footballer & B) his support of orange marches

He was definately released and is under no circumstances a Dundee United player. It could be his settlement to leave, rather than a lump sum we are paying it up over so many months.

Clubs back them were spending far more money than they were then. United for instance spent transfer fees of £250000, £350000 and £750000 amongst others in the 2nd.teir in 1995/96. Inconceivable now. They weren't the only ones spending 6 figure transfer fees. Also worth pointing out (yet again!) United's loss isn't just the playing staff it has been infrastructure and repairs as well. Player's wages as well have gone through the roof by comparison, especially elsewhere, and we cannot compete, made worse when the money from broadcasting is horrendous compared to previously with regards to wages and elsewhere where we struggle to compete And nostalgia to a lesser extent

While I'd agree he was behind Robertson, who surprised everyone as to how good he was and how he progressed while at United, I do think that is unfair on Douglas. Yes he had mistakes (Kilie) but he wasn't mostly shite, he suffered from "not Paul Dixon" syndrome. Dixon had been that good for us anyone replacing him would have been view d with suspicion. Robertson was truly frightening as to how good he was, especially considering where he came from. I don't mean that in any disrespectful way to Queen's but when Celtic let him go for the typical Scottish football reason of being "too small", I'm amazed no other clubs higher up took him on. To be fair Queen's Park do have a good reputation for youth.

Not too much to disagree with there. Due to how his time finished I feel folk forget Dillon was player of the year one year and at his peak could do a grand job at centre half and midfield. Rankin is one I would argue with. I found him utterly infuriating. The amount of times he refused to look to his left and missed players in space so he could do the, easier for him, pass to his right to a player surrounded was unbelievable. That and his running towards an opposition player made it look like he was attempting to tackle, even though he was nowhere near. He got the applause from the crowd for trying but to me it looked like a lazy player well off the pace. That's not to say he didn't have good games and didn't make a good contribution at times, but utterly frustrating. I was a big fan of Daly. Yes he could play the typical centre forward, but he had more to him and was fairly good on the ball. Yes Ciftci, the mad b*****d, was more "flamboyant" and more likely to get fans off their seats, but Daly at his peak was more reliable and more consistent. Dods was a Ronseal player. He defended. Nothing fancy. Like you was not to excited by his signing but he proved me wrong. He knew his limitations, worked hard and would have been a godsend over the last 5 years. Honourable mention to Kovacevic too.

Cheers for that.

And then back again in a couple of years. You would have thought if he had any self belief another season of similar returns would have seen him land the potential of a move like Stewart.

OK my mistake, I was under the impression you guys had received a pretty big bid but you thought it was worth rejecting to.seenif you could get promoted. There was one from us, that wasn't that high, but was Swansea not a good bid?

I would hope a man of Asghar's background wouldn't have been so stupid to agree to a rediculously low release fee, especially if you have a player you feel has the potential to be wanted by a number of clubs. If there is one as low as that then that is incompetent. Although a lot of the "word on the pavey" is off the mark eg Shankland's wages. We'll just have to see what happens & for me hopefully see him celebrating the league win in May.

Will wait and see, but in all seriousness I would be seriously surprised if a move was sanctioned before summer. The owner and Asghar are well aware of what happened the last time we sold unnecessarily in January. Especially as it could affect promotion. Could quite easily believe it in summer though. Ayr turned down similar last January from down south when he had 6 months to go on contract, he signed a 3 year with us. Obviously contract length designed to get maximum fee for him when leaving.

OK. Doubt that after all would that paltry figure cover his wages to January and his signing on fee?

I'd assume it would be a loan deal, in which case we'd be paying a percentage of his wages.

Why would his wages come into it? After all you guys have Anthony Ralston on loan from Celtic, aren't his wages beyond what you could afford? If players are going out on loan, depending on who is requesting the loan (player or club) and the deal, the loaning club rarely pay the full wages, but a percentage of the wage the player is on. I assume you know this & from reading your other posts it was just an opertunity to have a dig at the club using rumour, half truths and crap about spending.

Ha ha!, don't think even Laszlo could be that daft!

Yes. Had a loan spell at Sunderland in January. Only played for Celtic this season.

Had an interesting chat this morning with someone who told me about Shankland a number of weeks before it happened. Talking about January movements. Now not everything comes true, but usually as the attempt doesn't come off. What I've been told is Sow away permanently in January and Morgan & Safranko in. Neilson has stated that they didn't sign anyone for left wing as he expected Banks to play there. Since Banks is away in January & Morgan has only played once since August might be.something in that. Safranko is a surprise and can't see it since he only signed for Cepsi in Summer, but he hasn't scored. Did think his "unfinished" business story in the press was strange but could there be something in it? Issue for me there is he would have to be in a two with Shankland, but never the less can't see it. Sow has been a major disapointment. Stories of off field issues, bit seems a shadow of the player he was and wages could be be better spent elsewhere. Cant imagine Killie are paying all of his wages. Just passing on what I heard this morning. Anyone else heard anything?

I can understand why they have them, I can also appreciate the counter argument as to why have them at football matches. I'll end up with splinters with that! If there is one though it isn't too much to ask to be quiet for such a short period of time. Obviously folk may not realise it is happening or has started if arriving late, but surely would realise once in the stands. In Scottish football they are generally pretty well respected (ignoring the obvious examples where it isn't), with only the odd kids voice, cough or late arrival, at least in my experience of the games I've attended. If it hadn't been the derby, your right it wouldn't have been as big an issue.

Right I'll bite... Society has arseholes in it. Some of society go to football matches. In no way do I condone any of that & I hope that karma catches up with any body, football supporter or otherwise, that thinks its acceptable to spit or verbally abuse children. Going to a derby a number of years ago, my son must have been 4, we had a Dundee fan behind us walking down Isla St. Shouting abuse and generally having a go at my son, must have been mid 40s at least. Must have made his teenage daughter so proud of him. Is he representative of all Dundee fans? No, he was just a pathetic arsehole. Have inebriated Dundee fans pissed in public? Answer is a guaranteed yes. Representative of all Dundee fans, nope, just arseholes. Minutes silence neither club comes away looking good. Late United fans shouting, lots of "shhh!", from us in stand, the Derry then shouted back. Seen comment from Dees that the Derry should have kept quiet themselves & their response was not welcome either. As I said not condoning what happened to you, but that's not representative of all United fans as much as what happened to my lad is not representative of all Dundee fans, just arseholes, we've sadly all got them. Hopefully your two lads are OK & not put off going to future games,.good to see youngsters going to local teams.

I'd have him as Captain. You could see him telling players where to position themselves, geeing others up all night. I thought when he signed again he would be our most important signing. To be fair was pretty pissed off when he left the first time, especially after speaking to his dad at the Celtic cup final with him saying how much Callum liked it here & wanted the club to hurry up and speak about a new contract. I just hope he is the next announcement in regards to a new contract as he only signed for 18 months this time.

What I mean by that and I sure you understand exactly what I mean, this is not a surprise. This is not unexpected, we were warned, we were told they would look very bad. We were told at the Q&A of roughly where the money was going. We were told that some of the money was being spent on areas that would allow us to bring MORE money in. The wages look bad as they include to 11 we signed in January , they do not include the fact that we have let the same number of 1st team squad members go. Although I still believe it is too high for Championship, but we are paying Premiership wages. Certainly more experienced as a sports club owner than Eddie Thomson, Steven Thomson & Mike Martin. Although if we want to look for things to be negative about it is very easy, we can turn anything to a negative. I am merely trying to add a bit of facts and to pull the narrative back slightly from we won't see out the season, its all a tax dodge, the sky is falling in that people seem to default to. As I have said in my previous posts on the subject I am not happy to have big losses, BUT I understand why. As long as the truth is being told then yes,all will be good and there is NO problem. IF they scrrw up from this position and there is no improvements, or the outgoings do not show signs of big drops in expenditure then alarm bells will be ringing very loudly. Also I refuse to pp lace any credence in the Alan Patullo piece due to the inaccuracies in it. I will keep an aye on what the likes of Scott Burns is reporting on it as he has a track record of accurate United stories. Scott Banks is more than likely away in January. Has been offered a new deal, but we have a situation similar to Scott Allan. His agent (or him and agent) are wanting far too much money.

Yes I am, as I explained in the full post. I'll say it again no one who was at the Q&A before the end of last season will be surprised Mark Ogren said the results that would be out later this year, meaning those just released would be bad, but to not worry. It was all planned long term. Much of this would be money set a side for one of investments and improvements at Tannadice which had been neglected over many years. He stated that the following years would be much better as these massive costs would not need to be repeated. The wage bill will not be anywhere near that now. As reports are sticking to the narrative of 11 in in January, we have also had pretty much the same number of 1st team squad leave during and just after the summer. Been said repeatedly by the likes of Asghar that Shankland isn't the highest paid player. Was also mentioned that it was refreshing to see a player more concerned about his development and playing time than money. Now if the Ogren's are men of their word ( experienced sports club owners) THEN I have no concerns as we were pre warned and this has been necessary to bring things up to standard and all is good. IF however there are signs that overspending is continuing and not following the expected "plan" then yes I will be concerned. Hopefully that will answer you. Hopefully there will be more to come from the AGM too

I'm suprised at the level of angst here. Now I'm not sticking my head in the sand and I am concerned that they haven't done their sums properly, but that article is full of half truths and innuendo. Mark Ogren stated at the 1st Q&A that the accounts when released would look bad. He asked that "please do not be alarmed". The current board were spending money on Stadium repairs & general maintenance that jad been neglected for years. Fully refurbishing the hospitality areas that again were tired and badly needing done. Infrastructure for new ticketing and card payments. Background work for merchandising back in house. Investment to attain elite status as per SFA youth academy requirements. So as long as the Ogren's are telling the truth then these were mostly one offs & therefore any ongoing maintenance should be at a far lower level. The article also mentions who we brought in 11 players in January, failing to tell the full story that we also let go almost the same amount of 1st team squad players go in summer. Shankland's wages get a mention, saying we are paying similar to McInnes. Even if that were true he has already done more in 3 ½ months that McInnes did in his whole time here! The club have stated at least 3 times that Shankland is not the highest paid player at the club & Asghar also stated in one interview how refreshing it was that Shankland wasn't focused on money but finding somewhere he felt he could play and develop at. So I would doubt that he is on anything like McInnes' wage. If he is then it is rampant stupidity & begs the question who the hell is paid more! Now again not saying its all rosy in the garden, but the results were predicted as exactly this 6 months ago to anyone who would listen. Mark Ogren was at the match yesterday, would be good if there was some official comment from him or club to answer some points, put right the blind speculation in that article and say what the project 2019/2020 outcome would be considering the benefits of promotion wouldn't be included in those.

£2, can't be too many of your fans travelling today that don't have a smartphone, or access to a printer. Besides if bought in advance it's the same price as your South Stand and the concessions are £5 cheaper at Tannadice.