Rudolph Hucker
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9 hours ago, baba douche said:
It's actually about both, you CAN care about the football and also about your personal sartorial elegance
So why don’t you, then?? Any time your lot come to ours their “sartorial elegance” seems to be pretty similar to THIS affront to all that’s decent
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13 hours ago, baba douche said:
Ahh yes, the Dedicated Followers of Fashion.......
For so many of you lot it's more about the fashion than the fitba'. As you rarely fail to confirm.
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14 hours ago, baba douche said:
Didn't read, too many tears
what’s wrong, mate?
Did yer maw iron a centre crease into your ripped denims or something??Disaster…….
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3 hours ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said:
Don't think so.
Look at it, and weep.
ffs.
y’know, I’m almost embarrassed for you guys posting on here…….. almost.
you do realise it’s only fitba’, right? It’s nothing important?
I wonder who will enjoy next season more - Morton fans in a competitive chase for the championship or a playoff place, or you lot seeing your team get humped every other week………. C’mon, it’s only a year ago; you must remember how miserable you felt. Well, for one more year only, it’s yours all over again.
And the bonus for ALL the Championship clubs is that we don’t have to suffer some of the worst posters of this season, unless any of us choose to visit you on a point-and-laugh basis (personally I won’t be going near you, I’m just glad to see the division get shot of you arseholes. Nae offence, like!)
Enjoy yer moment, guys - it sure as hell ain’t gonna last.
oh, almost forgot - thank you.
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27 minutes ago, Tattie36 said:
Hope you’re feeling ok today? A horrible feeling to get relegated and I suppose a new one for Cove fans. Next season will bring new challenges and no doubt a title or playoff (at the pointy end) push. Perhaps everything just happened far too quickly for Cove and a more gradual rise up the leagues would have been more beneficial. I’m not going to say anything on the managerial situation apart from the fact that I’m convinced you would not be going down if you had stuck with McIntyre. Having said that, if a manager just isn’t popular with the fans and with a guy with Hartley’s history at the club waiting in the wings then it was inevitable I suppose.
Was really hoping Cove would stay up through the playoffs, partly due to the practicalities for myself, the fact my son plays for Cove Youth but mostly because my opinion on the club has changed significantly in the last season for various reasons. Drop the Rangers bit and that’ll improve even more
Best of luck for next season.
^^^. Classy comment.
41 minutes ago, virginton said:Has the jakey greaseball surfaced yet to explain how his team contrived to lose against ten men and didn't really come close to the single goal that they needed to avoid automatic relegation?
Two relegations this season - both equally fraudulent from Hartley.
^^^ Class-FREE comment.
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12 minutes ago, The Naitch said:
Anyway, back to the football...
SHOULD be strong enough to see off Cove…….. we’ll see.
Shame Oakley misses out, but that assist for the winner against QP was a great way to sign off for the season.
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10 minutes ago, TONTROOPER said:
Ahem ..... there's a game tonight lads.... just sayin.'
I know. I said so umpteen posts ago.......
8 hours ago, Rudolph Hucker said:I'd suggest we all get back on track now on this thread, hoping for a Morton win tonight and that other results go our way to give us a playoff place.
Some hope, eh?
44 minutes ago, virginton said:^^^ idiot found
...... unfortunately Bluebottle there just wouldn't let it lie........
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1 hour ago, virginton said:
Company law makes a complete distinction between ownership of shares in a company and ownership of that company's assets, you imbecile.
At no point did the Raes obtain ownership of Cappielow Park - it was an asset of GMFC. That is precisely why their chinless wonders sprogs had to present a transfer of ownership to Golden Casket as the deal to get them out of the club.
It's really that straightforward. I've even emphasised the key words for you to run your finger over and try to grasp the concept.
Now the choice is yours: either you continue to dig or you clamber out with your tail between your legs.
Too long, probably way too boring and irrelevant, so didn't read.
I asked a question, you answered it despite trying to deflect from it like mad, so I'm happy. Thank you.
Must be hard to type, when all you really want to do is put your hands on your hips and stamp your little feet......
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29 minutes ago, virginton said:
Erm no, this is utter bollocks. GMFC produced accounts on an annual basis and the addition of debt to Golden Casket each year was a matter of public record. Greenock Morton Supporters' Trust as a shareholder both had access to those accounts and a platform to challenge the club being run into the ground by an incompetent owner. They chose not to do so.
You also clearly don't know how to read for comprehension, if you think that the Raes owned Cappielow was in any way either the legal reality or the argument made in that post.
Tl;Dr - you've made a total c**t of yourself yet again, and are trying to wildly deflect from that.
*sigh*…….
Who owns Golden Casket?
Who owned Greenock Morton Football Club?Who owned Cappielow Park?
And how can any person or company “nick” something they already own?
That last one’s rhetorical since you’ve already covered it in your previous post.
Now, stop hurling abuse at me, funny as it is - stick to self-abuse, I don’t doubt you’re better at that.
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2 hours ago, virginton said:
The Supporters' Trust could have rejected and called out Rae's debt for equity swap as a complete dissolution of the fan stake and scrutiny over the club. It chose not to do so.
It could - and was morally obliged to - call out the £2 million of IOUs slapped on the club with no possible mechanism for paying them back, that wouldn't turn the club into the next East Stirling. It chose not to do so.
That's the duty of care that the first generation of fan action completely failed to carry out. Once the buckets were filled and 'Doogie' took the helm, the older generation took their eye off the ball and so less than 20 years later, the club found itself in a very similar situation through sheer incompetence.
Utter bollocks. The Raes through Golden Casket were merely the majority shareholder in Greenock Morton Football Club. The asset of Cappielow belonged to Greenock Morton Football Club for generations before those golf-playing, chinless wonders took the helm. Ownership of a club's or indeed any other business' assets do not automatically transfer to the largest shareholder.
The ground belonged legally to GMFC - not Golden Casket - and so was not being 'retained' at all. Ownership of this crucial asset was being transferred as payment for daddy's IOU pile - presented in the laughably transparent fiction that this would provide the best security for GMFC's future.
No thanks to chumps like yourself who peddled utter shite like the above to bat for them at the time.
No, it's simply fact-based analysis as opposed to the simpering drivel and ignorance of even basic company law that your version of events demonstrates.
Thanks for playing anyway.
The old "apples and oranges" comparison, eh....
Twenty years ago we had a new owner who for years after appeared to be shovelling six-figure sums into the club each year as an act of benevolence. It's only in the last few years that it transpired that there were strings attached. Since you were only, what, about 12 when Rae took over you're judging what happened then purely on hearsay, gossip and the hindsight of others, and you're reaching harsh conclusions about the support based on that.
It's your old "tell 'em something like you're speaking with absolute certainty and they're bound to swallow it" routine, otherwise known as the "mouth on a stick" method.
The second half of that mouth music post amounts to this: your tacit admission that, no, the Raes were not trying to "nick" anything, they were seeking to retain ownership of an asset. Thanx for that.
I'd suggest we all get back on track now on this thread, hoping for a Morton win tonight and that other results go our way to give us a playoff place.
Some hope, eh?
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4 hours ago, Toby said:
Surely you’re contradicting yourself, here?
If we’re to argue about people investing a lot of money into clubs in order to lift them above their “natural level”, then it would only be fair to say that instances of neglect such as Scott’s at Morton see clubs dipping below a level that’s natural for them.
Lying in a grave with Third Lanark would never have been natural for Morton- had it happened, it would’ve been the result of an exceptional set of circumstances, not because that is where Morton’s place in Scottish football is.
No contradiction at all. I explained a bit of the history behind what happened at the club leading up to Rae taking over.
Look at the original point that I queried - it was someone saying they would never approve of clubs being sugar-daddied. I pointed out that after the club was stabilised post-Scott there's no doubt that Rae continued to put additional money into the club in order to improve the league position. I asked if he could accept the fact that it happened at Morton too. He's yet to answer.
3 hours ago, virginton said:The older fans formed a Supporters Trust body which, after correctly welcoming and facilitating Rae's initial takeover, then let themselves get walked all over like a polyester Matalan rug. The Raes ran down all other shareholders and then started slapping the IOUs on the club books - the Supporters Trust said nothing of substance.
The situation is different (and some lessons have been learned), but the contrast between the mobilisation of the fanbase into an institution that takes long-term responsibility for the club now is night and day compared to the previous dud of an organisation.
So no, there's really no place for a 'know your club history' lecture from those who allowed two near-death experiences to happen in 20 years.
You're looking at the past with 20:20 hindsight vision and yet you still have to apply revisionism. Let me ask you again - in the face of owners who either owned the club outright or owned by far the majority of the shares what more do you think the fans could have done? And under Rae's ownership what more could they have done that wouldn't have risked what appeared at the time to be money "gifted" to the club being brought to a sudden stop, as eventually happened after Douglas Rae passed away?
3 hours ago, virginton said:NB: And running the club into the ground is an exact description of what Rae did. He bequeathed a football club that was hopelessly insolvent, with debts that matched even its notional asset value. Then his sprogs tried to nick the ground as payment for daddy's incompetence - and there were more than a few Morton fans gormless enough to argue that it was a fair deal that should be accepted. If it had been, we'd be circling the drain to League Two right now and with no hope of recovery.
It was only by rejecting the braying 'Doogie' sycophancy that the club was brought back from the brink. So the current fanbase needs absolutely no lectures from a chump like yourself thanks.
Re the bit in bold - I've asked this question before when this has been raised and never had a sensible answer - how can anyone "nick' what they already own?? That is not a question asked in support of the Raes, it is simply a recognition of the fact that they did actually own the ground as much as they owned the club itself. They tried to retain it as part of the deal being negotiated and eventually, thankfully, they folded but to assert they tried to "nick" something they already owned is simply disingenuou on your part.
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9 hours ago, virginton said:
The idea that younger fans need a condescending rap lecture in club history from their sage elders is the worst kind of patronising nonsense.
Not least given that the older fans were indeed present for Hugh Scott and then allowed Rae to run the club into the ground anyway through his own mechanism of 1960s business management principles backed by a book of IOUs.
And what, oh wise one, were the “older fans” supposed to do about it?
Wilson sold to Scott, who proceeded to, as you accurately say, run the club into the ground. Apart from the many fan protests about what he was doing, and drawing public attention to it, and boycotting some games, and raising money to keep the club going, what more would you have expected from the support?
Scott left a club that was on its uppers and Rae came in. Compared to what he took over, the only way he could take the club was up. Yes, money was wasted in many ways, Rae was too autocratic and the running of the club behind the scenes was never great, but honestly, “running the club into the ground” is a complete nonsense and you should be ashamed of yourself. And, since he was the owner and appeared to be investing substantially in the club - it was only after a few years that the “IOU” scenario came to light - again I’d like you to tell us what you think the “older fans” should have done about it? Bearing in mind that you and others of your age would be considered equally culpable by then??
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27 minutes ago, Jives Miguel said:
Oh, you read it all right.
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2 hours ago, Jives Miguel said:
Yes, clearly League 1 and Championship relegation battles is Morton being "propped above their natural level".
Idiot of a man.
Thank you.
you’re missing the point - unsurprisingly.
The success or failure of any financial doping is not the issue. It’s the fact that it took place at all.
There’s no doubt that Rae’s money could have been better used, which might have led to the team doing better on the pitch and in league placings. On the other hand, whether badly managed or not, a lot of that initial cash went into restoring Cappielow to a serviceable state and getting the appropriate safety certifications after the disastrous Hugh effing Scott tenure. You can only spend each pound once, so restoring the neglected stand and brutalised Cowshed and getting the pitch back in order after the knee-high, weed-infested mess that Scott left would have meant not much was left to build a team in the early part of Rae’s tenure.
Getting back to your post, though - mismanaged or not (and we all know it was), without that financial input Morton’s “natural level” would have been being consigned to the history books alongside Third Lanark as a result of the almost terminal damage that Scott inflicted. “League One and Championship relegation battles” are infinitely preferable to not having a club to support.
People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, and your post was either ignorant of the facts or hypocritical.
It’s a bit harsh calling yourself an idiot though.
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6 hours ago, Jives Miguel said:
Why not? I want to see all clubs that have been propped up to above their natural level via a financial benefactor fail. They're bad for the game.
hmmm….. Did that include Morton in your view when Douglas Rae was subbing us to the tune of a couple of hundred thousand quid per season?
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1 hour ago, Jives Miguel said:
I would love to see Morton help relegate this team.
why? They’ve not been on our radar for long enough to merit that sort of dislike IMO.
if it’s because of Hartley I suppose I get it, his comments about result fixing when in charge of that lot at Dundee were totally out of order, but Cove Rangers* as a club mean as little to me as do most other clubs, except when we’re playing them.
* apart from the name, obviously.
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16 minutes ago, Velvet Donkey said:
Yes. And I'm fine with it. He's not a media pundit but manages a team of players. I've seen managers in this league destroy individuals after games, and maybe that works better, but for the time being at least I'm happy that he prioritises a feeling of belief and positivity in a team that badly needs it.
....... unless he's just trying to protect his own job?? Always a possibility.......
He ain't half one-sided though, to put it mildly.
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Would all Dundee FC fans please note that they have now fully used their allocated posts on this thread.
Thank you.
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25 minutes ago, Chippyminton said:
Banter aside and being totally objective, the OP has pretty much nailed it.
??? where’s the fun in that???
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4 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:
This is going to make me puke but . . . .
. . . c'mon Morton!!
You’re lucky……. If we win we’ll be delighted to have taken 10 points from 12 against those charlatans, but that’ll be mightily soured by the fact that it’ll probably have handed you the title on a plate.
You’d only have had the boak for five days - we’d have it for longer than that………
so….. c’mon the Cove (just this once!)!
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19 minutes ago, Craigus said:
Meaningless yesterday of course, but WTF is the referee doing with Langs imaginary hand ball and Vaughans 2nd yellow? Even the Morton roasters in the stand didn't know what he was up to, running the length of the pitch to pull him away from the edge of the box when he's waiting for a free kick.
Ref obviously can't hack it at this (shite) level.
Anyway, funny Morton celebrating the reds when it means we'll have even fewer players to play Ayr who will finish above them.
”meaningless”, you say??
Apparently not to you………..
I’ve some nice fresh grapes here if you want ‘em - yours seem remarkably sour.
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10 minutes ago, mcjameos said:
To quote you, "nobody cares"
Fine by me!
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1 hour ago, SweeperDee said:
Not that you’ll have to worry about going up, well, ever.
See what I mean?
Feckin' playground stuff.
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20 hours ago, SweeperDee said:
Get that right up you, you fucking mutant c***s.
20 hours ago, SweeperDee said:Aye, no bother bud. Your whole team should try their hand at Olympic diving. Mutant.
20 hours ago, johnnydun said:Dougie 'The c**t' Imrie being a c**t?
I am shocked.
19 hours ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said:f**k you Imrie you fucking rodent, f**k your time wasting team of donkeys, and f**k the sfa and their incompetent referees.
Thank you.
9 hours ago, SweeperDee said:Just one of the numerous examples of decisions that weirdly went the way of those west coast freaks. Ach well, another season of mediocrity for them.
fuxake, what a seething, foaming mess some of you guys get yer selves intae over a game of fitba’. Embarrassing.
Those above are just a few examples of why I feel like wiping my feet whenever I leave a Dundee match thread.
You’ve a few half-decent posters, well, sometimes, but too many have that weird Billy BigBaws delusional mentality that actually just comes over like they’ve just left the primary school playground..
If you do go up, not many on here will miss you. Unfortunately you’d be back down here soon enough - as much incentive as anyone needs to try and get promoted next year…….
ps - Thank you.
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The Greenock Morton Thread - It's Better Than Yours
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Oh well, my apologies if I've misjudged you.
I take it this WAS you the last time the Plastic came to Cappielow?