Casual Bystander

Independence is what is best. Perhaps not in the short term, but definitely in the long term. Of that I have no doubts. I'm guessing that is with undecideds removed.

It's been a long day...

ICM poll to be released tonight is; 49% yes, 42% no with 9% undecided (yes I know that is >100%, but it's due to rounding) Edit: because even someone as infinitely clever as I am.. ..can make the odd mistake in simple arithmetic.

There is absolutely no doubt, the Yes campaign will have taken a big hit after the huge scare stories being put out by the Bitters. Sadly it works and I really despair at those who swallow their shite so easily. I still have my doubts about the polls and always have. The 3 stooges wouldn't have suddenly dropped everything, rushed North and then got their friends in big business to brief against independence while the Treasury leaked sensitive market details if the polls were as far apart as they seem.

Animals, clearly the best Floyd album, closely followed by Dark Side. Didn't like the latter Walters ego trip stuff like The Wall or Final Cut. Not heard anything from Endless River but it's supposed to be based around Wright's work in the mid 90s.

Are you missing the 250 pages of arrogant smugness from the nodrones? All I did was point out you were being contradictory, so to try and turn that around for it to be my fault is asinine.

I obviously have a dog in this fight, but when you kick off a post with, "Glorious seethe-tinged scrambling for positives from the Yes folk", I don't think you should be surprised if someone points out that you do sound equally as triumphalist as you are claiming others to be. As for me? I've said all along the polls are not telling the whole story, no matter what they've been saying. I've also been consistent with the way in which the Yes vote has been slowly gaining ground, and I still think that is the case. We've probably hit saturation point which is a shame as it's clear the mass invasion of the Westminster diddies wasn't done just for the fun of it - they clearly believe there is a risk of losing this. It's certainly disappointing the amount of negative spin and pressure being applied by certain media outlets as well as some big businesses, but in essence the offer of independence can win over the doom and gloom fucknuggets. I am a realist and understand that there is likely to be a hit taken for becoming independent, but I also believe it's for the better, and currently the way the negatives are being over egged the pudding Westminster is promising is going to end up very flat indeed. In a nutshell, the argument reflects the ARMAGEDDON call that was going to hit Scottish football after Rangers crashed (I'll write 'the first time' as you just don't know when they'll do it again) yet in many ways Scottish football benefited from that. There was the same negativity thrown around, prophets of doom and uncertainty were flooding out onto the streets ringing their bells and pushing their death carts around intending to pick up bodies right left and centre. Didn't happen though, and the same is true for a Yes vote here, the worst is certainly not going to happen, we just need to get people to realise the pattern that is being played out and to trust them that Scots can actually look after themselves rather than suckling at the very dried up teat of Westminster.

Clearly, and your language suggests as such. Don't worry petal, it'll all be over soon.

Deary me, you can see you were hurt very badly by the Yes vote gaining ground.

Manipulated? Brilliant. Damn, if only I had noticed that if you fold the ballot paper back it continues to read "independent country ... with Alex Salmond as the life long president".

Still doesn't get it. Your complete lack of understanding is at toddler level, but hey you know you just keep on telling everyone it's all about the SNP and Salmond and not about a corrupt and broken political system.

Painful. Painful and very poorly thought out. You also avoided calling Salmond "fat" which is a clear vote winner.

In a sort of understated way McIntyre is a fairly decent choice. Young enough to learn and probably desperate to prove a point after the last time he was in the SP(F)L. It does seem a bit of a step down considering the calibre of some of the names that were being touted around. Dodds as an assistant is a far better choice than Dodds as a manager. Still you have to say that he looks better than having Craig as a manager.

You see the way I look at this is that we are basically where we were before the very positive YG poll. This Survation poll shows the female vote is still favouring No and I am sure the #patronisingBTLady was what affected the YG poll and that after being pissed off at being taken for simpering idiots then it's levelled back out again. The arguments haven't changed, there is nothing new other than the panic of the Westminster leaders, it's just a matter of ensuring that the positive message is delivered in the right way.

Why? The polls are much closer now than they were months ago. See the wood rather than the trees.

Hold fast lads, remember we still have the "trump" cards of the Orange Order and Farage.

Yeah.

Fair enough, all the latest poll suggests is that there is work to do. Ultimately this is a democratic process and if people are willing to swallow the negative fear mongering that has been constant with the Bitters then they will be the ones who will need to look at themselves when Westminster continues to f**k them. Considering some polls were putting the Yes vote as low as the low 30's then 47% a week before the election is still a considerable positive.

I have a feeling that the Survation poll is going to show a drop for both sides and an increase in undecideds. Crazy as that sounds, but I genuinely feel that is the only "very interesting" result it could throw out.

Exactly my point. You were so keen to pick up on my spelling error while you metaphorically practised your online onanism. Good to see that you getting things wrong still riles you to the point of insult though.

I'm not sure, as I say I think the mainstream media can sense a story bigger than Scotland. OK, to us #indyref is fucking amazing and a real chance to alter history, but to the boys South of the Watford Gap we've always been a bit of a second hand story. Now if as a circumstance of us getting a Yes it brings down the whole system at Westminster then the story up here would be almost all but ignored. On Newsnight tonight you had Peter Hain and the Dark Lord (Redwood) arguing about being English or Welsh and the way the parliament should be split up. I genuinely think the mainstream London-centric media are sensing a totally different story here and are just looking for a way in, with all the current pieces they are doing are safe fluff by the numbers.

Interesting (ish) wee vid..

It would certainly explain why the Record and Sun have stopped being so fucking nasty. It would also explain the dash North by the 3 stooges with the lovebomb massive. BBC Scotland will go down fighting though. Wasn't there some rumour that Salmond had unofficial polls with Yes sitting at 54? Maybe this is just the official ones aligning to that figure. It would be interesting to see the number of undecideds in the poll as TNS had a whopping 23% which is mental considering how close we are getting.

Yup, just about to post similar. Survation going into full blown cock tease mode... Edit: Of course the way the swing has gone over the last couple of weeks the genuinely interesting figures would be to see a big drop in Yes support. Not that I am making any guesses either way. I've felt for a long time the polls were wrong and maybe in the last few weeks they have come back into alignment but perhaps the weighting applied has been too generous. A

Would that be a bell that rings when it gets windy? Or a bell that is worth money?