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Classic Tommy ..Neil is such a fud..what the hell has Souters views on homosexuality have to do with yes voters?!
It's the same line that Eddie Mair used on Salmond the other day on PM. Trying to say that the largest donor doesn't agree with a key policy and how embarrassing that must be.
Salmond replied in superb form with the, "surely it's testament to our honesty and integrity that we don't have policy dictated to us by big donors, unlike other parties in Westminster." Spot on, absolutely volleyed Mair's cheap line into the net.
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So the loyalists around here are sitting pretty knowing it's a cake walk?
No need to turn up to vote then lads, after all it's going to be so easy a victory.
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Stick to saving pictures of boys on your computer, you old creep.
f**k me.. that is a desperately rattled response from someone making a simple response.
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Like equality the pollsters have manifestly ignored the undercurrent of those in society. Those who don't have credit cards or mortgages, that don't show up on credit rating reports, those who haven't been on the electoral register until for this vote, those who wouldn't give a pollster the time of day.
It's those people who the polls ignore and it's those people that I believe will be the reason why on the ground we see lots of support for Yes, while in the polls it's far more even.
I've said from the start the picture the polls were painting wasn't correct, and I kept to that opinion even though they have narrowed.
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Do you know what time the yes demo is at the BBC? I live near by and will be there.
Nobody will cover it. The BBC will refuse and in a deal with STV they basically have a blackout, then a story will appear maybe 4 days afterwards claiming it was a handful of nutters. That's what happened last time.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28079812
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I think these polls have been from the last week?
Could be, I really can't see how the current ones would be so positive when the massive negativity bomb has been dropped from Westminster. I would like it to be otherwise, but we'll see.
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Seem like a confirmation unless I missed it earlier.
Jesus, that main story though, talk about laying it on with a trowel, that is disgusting journalism.
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What would happen in the event of a dead heat?
If the number of people registered to vote, actually voted (which won't happen) then there can't be a dead heat as I believe it's an odd number.
If on the night there was an actual dead heat there would be massive recounts and legal threats flying all over the place. Spoilt ballots would need to be rechecked, all in all it'd be a fucking nightmare.
Technically if it was a dead heat after all that then No will have won, as the agreement is for 50% + 1 vote to be the winner.
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Tremendous for Yes after this week's Shite. N
True. It's all up for grabs and that's the most important thing.
Well I'd hold off on that as polls tend to take a while to catch up with recent events. If anything I think that we are still to see a dent in the Yes vote due to all the scarmongering that went on over the last couple of days.
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So is the yes 54 bollocks? Can't find anything about it apart from a random twitter account
How much to you trust Curtice?
http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/09/icm-put-yes-ahead-perhaps/
Bearing in mind he is a loyalist sympathiser, who really doesn't like putting forward a positive case for the Yes vote (as can be seen from the tear stained blog). Now would he be publishing an article implicitly stating a huge Yes lead if it was not true?
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Do you know what Fran Healy (Travis) said about Salmond?
"I don't like him because he's fat"
Seriously. Got to love musicians.
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Which flies in the face of other pollsters who have roundly admitted that the undecideds have been favouring the Yes. While I wouldn't count them as a Yes, that poll seems to show these voters as split 50/50.
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Excellent figures for the Scottish economy in the context of a supportive union which endorses the need to retain it. Thanks for this.
Well you might have read that, but it's clear you didn't understand it if you think that it means a union is the only thing providing the support for the economy.
What is abundantly clear though is the fact that Scotland would in no way be the basket case that some in the media are painting it, should it decide to become independent. And that is the clear message that needs to be put forward. The fear mongering and doom merchantry is all smoke and mirrors.
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Don't like Scottish government or wiki links, how about FT:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fff67a62-88fa-11e3-bb5f-00144feab7de.html
Anyone got any idea if their methodology might have been different from the others in some way?
If you can read between Curice's obvious seethe... http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/09/icm-put-yes-ahead-perhaps/
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Have you got any sources along with your European contributions to back up a thing that you've written?
Fill your boots:
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You see, even if the ICM poll is way out it doesn't really matter. The last week has seen a massive onslaught of negative campaigning and fear mongering put forward by the Bitters, and a lot of it has been found out to be nothing more than thinly veiled threats and lies, however it has to have affected the mind set of some of the Yes support. A poll that shows so many people supporting the case for independence doesn't need to be correct for it to have a galvanising effect on the will of the Yes camp and their supporters.
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Think big but accept reality and what's best for Alba
Independence is what is best. Perhaps not in the short term, but definitely in the long term. Of that I have no doubts.
54:46 Yes with ICM according to this blog:
I'm guessing that is with undecideds removed.
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It's exactly 100%.
It's been a long day...
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ICM poll to be released tonight is; 49% yes, 42% no with 9% undecided
(yes I know that is >100%, but it's due to rounding)Edit: because even someone as infinitely clever as I am..
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There is absolutely no doubt, the Yes campaign will have taken a big hit after the huge scare stories being put out by the Bitters. Sadly it works and I really despair at those who swallow their shite so easily.
I still have my doubts about the polls and always have. The 3 stooges wouldn't have suddenly dropped everything, rushed North and then got their friends in big business to brief against independence while the Treasury leaked sensitive market details if the polls were as far apart as they seem.
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Animals, clearly the best Floyd album, closely followed by Dark Side.
Didn't like the latter Walters ego trip stuff like The Wall or Final Cut.
Not heard anything from Endless River but it's supposed to be based around Wright's work in the mid 90s.
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Totally not surprised at the one-sided hypocrisy, correct! Forty pages of crowing about pro-YES polls followed by getting upset about one wee post dishing out the same. Come on, grow some.
Are you missing the 250 pages of arrogant smugness from the nodrones? All I did was point out you were being contradictory, so to try and turn that around for it to be my fault is asinine.
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I obviously have a dog in this fight, but when you kick off a post with, "Glorious seethe-tinged scrambling for positives from the Yes folk", I don't think you should be surprised if someone points out that you do sound equally as triumphalist as you are claiming others to be.
As for me? I've said all along the polls are not telling the whole story, no matter what they've been saying. I've also been consistent with the way in which the Yes vote has been slowly gaining ground, and I still think that is the case. We've probably hit saturation point which is a shame as it's clear the mass invasion of the Westminster diddies wasn't done just for the fun of it - they clearly believe there is a risk of losing this.
It's certainly disappointing the amount of negative spin and pressure being applied by certain media outlets as well as some big businesses, but in essence the offer of independence can win over the doom and gloom fucknuggets. I am a realist and understand that there is likely to be a hit taken for becoming independent, but I also believe it's for the better, and currently the way the negatives are being over egged the pudding Westminster is promising is going to end up very flat indeed.
In a nutshell, the argument reflects the ARMAGEDDON call that was going to hit Scottish football after Rangers crashed (I'll write 'the first time' as you just don't know when they'll do it again) yet in many ways Scottish football benefited from that. There was the same negativity thrown around, prophets of doom and uncertainty were flooding out onto the streets ringing their bells and pushing their death carts around intending to pick up bodies right left and centre. Didn't happen though, and the same is true for a Yes vote here, the worst is certainly not going to happen, we just need to get people to realise the pattern that is being played out and to trust them that Scots can actually look after themselves rather than suckling at the very dried up teat of Westminster.
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I couldn't give a flying fcuk either way.
Clearly, and your language suggests as such.
Don't worry petal, it'll all be over soon.
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..can make the odd mistake in simple arithmetic.
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This whole "shy yes" stuff they are trying to push is pretty pathetic. I could understand why those in the street might not want to say they are voting No, but phone or Internet polling? Nobody is "too scared" to give their opinion in those circumstances.
I heard Curtice greeting on BBC earlier, saying that the poll that had Yes well ahead must be completely ignored and that all the ones showing No in the lead were the real polls. It was a joy listening to him trying to justify it.