PauloPerth

That’s a bit disingenuous though isn’t it? Chris Millar was an attacking wide player in his first few seasons so his goal ratio was higher than when he moved to centre, where he gave us his best years but famously went ages without a goal before that winner against Utd late on (he scored 3 in his first 2 seasons then 1 in the next 6 or so). Morris played a season or two in the division below where we were winning and scoring far more. McCann did have a decent record with us goals wise but I wouldn’t say that was what his game is about. He’s usually a starter for Preston these days yet has scored 1 goal in 86 matches. If you want to go down that route, Blair Alston scored 8 in 80 matches and Ali Crawford scored 5 in 44 but Craig Bryson scored 0 in 29. Yet who was the better player for Saints out the three?

This P&B St Johnstone thread invention that centre midfielders have to be judged by goal contributions is a bit bizarre to me when arguably our 3 best centre midfielders of the past 15 years have been Morris, Millar and McCann. No huge surprise Phillips is leaving, I’d have liked him to stay personally as he’s probably been our best outfield player the past year. Would have liked to have seen him play with better players around him and in teams not set up just to defend, but all the best to him.

You definitely should. We’ve sung “you’re going down with the Dundee” at so many clubs over the years* it’ll be a laugh hearing it back at us. * just about every season for 15 years Just checked, 28/12/73 your last trophy win, so at least we’ve still got “fifty years, you’ve won f**k all” to enjoy. With all the postponements at Dens this year, at least Dundee fans won’t be as critical of the horrendous state of our pitch as most other supports rightly have been.

I’m not sure that’s a line Dundee fans really want to go down…

Is that Shakespeare?

Since Levein took over we’re 2 wins out of 2 against County, and a win and a draw v Aberdeen. 2 draws in both games v Livi under Levein.

Head to heads will be crucial. Don’t suppose it matters much by the time they come round,, but our record against County is W2 D0 L1 and against Aberdeen it’s W1 D2 L0. Should get both at home on our tattie field .. not sure if that’s a good thing.

Called it.

Lucky to get away with 3-1. Poor day for us but not unexpected. In fairness, we’ve been lucky with the results of the teams around us for ages and it wasn’t going to last forever. We’re probably lucky we’re not even more in the shite after that recent run of 1 win in 10. All to play for now though..

We were doing okay until Sprangler went off and have been woeful since. Absolutely wide open and Celtic cutting through us at will. Three big CB’s on the park and the 5’5” striker is the only one attacking the ball. Sidibeh needs to do better. A thankless task but he’s not once got us us in possession further up the park, he’s just being brushed aside. We ended up a bit of a shambles the 15 minutes or so before HT.

Celtic 0 St Johnstone 0 Celtic 1 St Johnstone 0 Celtic 2 St Johnstone 0 Celtic 3 St Johnstone 0 Celtic 4 St Johnstone 0 Celtic 5 St Johnstone 0 Celtic 6 St Johnstone 0 Celtic 7 St Johnstone 0 Celtic 8 St Johnstone 0 Celtic 9 St Johnstone 0 Celtic 0 St Johnstone 1 Celtic 1 St Johnstone 1 Celtic 2 St Johnstone 1 Celtic 3 St Johnstone 1 Celtic 4 St Johnstone 1 Celtic 5 St Johnstone 1 Celtic 6 St Johnstone 1 Celtic 7 St Johnstone 1 Celtic 8 St Johnstone 1 Celtic 9 St Johnstone 1 Celtic 0 St Johnstone 2 Celtic 1 St Johnstone 2 Celtic 2 St Johnstone 2 Celtic 3 St Johnstone 2 Celtic 4 St Johnstone 2 Celtic 5 St Johnstone 2 Celtic 6 St Johnstone 2 Celtic 7 St Johnstone 2 Celtic 8 St Johnstone 2 Celtic 9 St Johnstone 2 Celtic 0 St Johnstone 3 Celtic 1 St Johnstone 3 Celtic 2 St Johnstone 3 Celtic 3 St Johnstone 3 Celtic 4 St Johnstone 3 Celtic 5 St Johnstone 3 Celtic 6 St Johnstone 3 Celtic 7 St Johnstone 3 Celtic 8 St Johnstone 3 Celtic 9 St Johnstone 3 Celtic 0 St Johnstone 4 Celtic 1 St Johnstone 4 Celtic 2 St Johnstone 4 Celtic 3 St Johnstone 4 Celtic 4 St Johnstone 4 Celtic 5 St Johnstone 4 Celtic 6 St Johnstone 4 Celtic 7 St Johnstone 4 Celtic 8 St Johnstone 4 Celtic 9 St Johnstone 4 Celtic 0 St Johnstone 5 Celtic 1 St Johnstone 5 Celtic 2 St Johnstone 5 Celtic 3 St Johnstone 5 Celtic 4 St Johnstone 5 Celtic 5 St Johnstone 5 Celtic 6 St Johnstone 5 Celtic 7 St Johnstone 5 Celtic 8 St Johnstone 5 Celtic 9 St Johnstone 5 Celtic 0 St Johnstone 6 Celtic 1 St Johnstone 6 Celtic 2 St Johnstone 6 Celtic 3 St Johnstone 6 Celtic 4 St Johnstone 6 Celtic 5 St Johnstone 6 Celtic 6 St Johnstone 6 Celtic 7 St Johnstone 6 Celtic 8 St Johnstone 6 Celtic 9 St Johnstone 6 Celtic 0 St Johnstone 7 Celtic 1 St Johnstone 7 Celtic 2 St Johnstone 7 Celtic 3 St Johnstone 7 Celtic 4 St Johnstone 7 Celtic 5 St Johnstone 7 Celtic 6 St Johnstone 7 Celtic 7 St Johnstone 7 Celtic 8 St Johnstone 7 Celtic 9 St Johnstone 7 Celtic 0 St Johnstone 8 Celtic 1 St Johnstone 8 Celtic 2 St Johnstone 8 Celtic 3 St Johnstone 8 Celtic 4 St Johnstone 8 Celtic 5 St Johnstone 8 Celtic 6 St Johnstone 8 Celtic 7 St Johnstone 8 Celtic 8 St Johnstone 8 Celtic 9 St Johnstone 8 Celtic 0 St Johnstone 9 Celtic 1 St Johnstone 9 Celtic 2 St Johnstone 9 Celtic 3 St Johnstone 9 Celtic 4 St Johnstone 9 Celtic 5 St Johnstone 9 Celtic 6 St Johnstone 9 Celtic 7 St Johnstone 9 Celtic 8 St Johnstone 9 Celtic 9 St Johnstone 9 Celtic 9 St Johnstone 10 Anything could happen.

FFS lads. Really? We’re now going to be upset about some harmless national stereotyping? So the Swedes and Norwegians shouldn’t wear their jokey plastic Viking hats, Mexican fans can’t wear sombreros and we shouldn’t wear kilts and c u jimmy wigs and hats because they’re all reinforcing national stereotypes?! Next you’ll be saying beautiful women shouldn’t follow Brazil and England fans shouldn’t throw plastic street furniture around.

Football doesn’t really work that way though does it? When an opportunity presents itself most manager’s know they have to take it as it might not come round again. Seems unlikely, but this might be as high as he goes as a manager and in 6-7 months time Dundee fans might be wanting to get rid of him if things turn sour. If Aberdeen feel he’s the man they’re not going to be thinking we’ll leave it a bit as he might be out of reach the next time they’re in the market. He knows the club inside out, is popular there, tonnes of experience of the league as an assistant and proven over the short term that he’s manager material. He is by far and away the obvious choice for Aberdeen.. which is why I don’t think it’s going to happen.

* meh team

+1. If a chance of winning the Scottish Cup isn’t the highlight for any non-OF fan in Scottish football, then I don’t understand.

It’s what happens when people’s normality is shifted. Supporters of two shite yoyo clubs who are massively over-achieving this season leaves these types spiritually lost. They feel they belong on the big relegation thread, but can’t adjust to it not being about them.

I didn’t think Carey could have any complaints about being dropped for the Aberdeen game. He is our most creative player but hadn’t produced anything of note for a while, whether playing deeper or further forward. But fair play to him, he didn’t spit the dummy, just came in and made a positive impact v Livingston, which is exactly the reaction you want to see. Must be in the reckoning for a start next game, though it being away at Celtic might mean we set up a bit more cautiously.

Ok I’ve read it again and you really are seriously comparing the way Livingston played yesterday to the St Johnstone double winning team. One of the wildest statements I’ve read on this forum.

The next two weeks are crucial. Saints could find ourselves pulled right back into the brink. In a fortnight’s time we’ll only have played Celtic away, whilst County will have had two home games, against Hibs and Hearts, and Aberdeen will have played at Dundee and Motherwell. Its hard to believe Aberdeen won’t be above us, and County won’t have closed the gap a touch. I’ve always found County unpredictable. They’ll be absolutely shite and you think they’re finished, then just randomly win a game unexpectedly. No one in the bottom 4 is going to go on some miraculous winning run, so the odd win and scraping as many draws as possible should lead to safety.

Very much this. Danny Swanson came to us on loan from Coventry with a reputation as being a diving cheat whilst at Utd. He made his debut away at QOS in the Scottish and, along with our entire team, had a stinker as we got knocked out. He got a lot of stick for trying fancy back heels and giving the ball away a lot. The team got snowballs thrown at them and Swanson got booed off when subbed. In retrospect it was probably the worst reception I’ve ever witnessed for a new signing. He started to turn it round with this goal, and went on to be a star player for us:

The most bizarre thing about livi’s tactics is they actually looked more dangerous in possession when it was 0-0 and briefly towards the end. Hampered by another one of this current generation of Scottish managers who think the only way possible to win a match is go 1 up then sit in and absolutely shit fest the rest of the match. The sooner the lot of them f**k off the better, and we might actually start to see some entertainment in our domestic game again.

Forgot to mention the ref. Weak as pish in handling the Livingston antics.