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  1. When will indyref2 happen?

    There will be a very different EU response this time round. See recent comments by numerous EU and EU member state officials such as Guy Verhofstadt, the Spanish foriegn minister, leader of German opposition etc etc...and that is before the UK has even left.
  2. When will indyref2 happen?

    Its only dangerous because both sides were at it during the last referendum debate and fudged the issue. BT profited as better the devil you know. I feel too many of our old are under the impression that the NI they paid throughout their working lives is kept in some big differentiated account somewhere, gathering interest to fund their continued retirement. The feeling is that they have paid in to rUK and want their money out. That needs fully exposed. Obviously the reality is that this has never happened and it is the current working generation who fund todays pensioners. Continuing UK govt policy and its negative effect on Scotlands age demographics are a disaster waiting to happen for this nation. That is the reality of how we are eventually going to be unable to maintain pensions. We will have spending choices when we become independent but making pensions a priority in a campaign could do much to reassure the older vote. The future independence campaign needs to be clear. Pensions will be paid post independence by the Scottish govt. No nonsense about rUK being responsible for this or that.
  3. When will indyref2 happen?

    Not particularly helpful to "blame" any particular group for the last referendum. However one extremely influential group that overwhelmingly voted to reject independence was the over 55's. Scots born and non Scots born. Given that as seen UK pensions are some of the lowest among any developed countries. This is an area the independence organisation can work on. It would not be too ambitious to suggest we should be matching the pension spend of our nearest European counterparts.
  4. When will indyref2 happen?

    Its been debunked by the Spaniards themselves on several occassions: Current Spanish administration: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-spain-politics-scotland-idUKKCN1NP25P Previous Spanish administration: https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-membership-spain-scotland/ It sounds a good argument in the heads of British nationalists I am sure.
  5. When will indyref2 happen?

    I wonder how the average british nationalist would have reacted if the EU had denied them permission for their referendum The matter may well go through the courts.....national and international. The UK govt will lose.... and become even more of an international point and laugh job.
  6. When will indyref2 happen?

    Lot of bull being spouted on this thread. The key issue here is a UK prime minister has taken it upon herself to deny our nation the process to democratically decide its own future. It is now clear this is not a temporary withdrawal of permission. This is permanent. Regardless of you having planned to vote yes or no....it is a democratic outrage and a step towards fascism. Some of the above crazies that are defending the UK govts position on this, just because they do not want indepenence need to have a look at themselves.
  7. When will indyref2 happen?

    Indeed....know thy enemy. In the current context it would be worrying if TM were to grant an article 30. She won't. Good news in the medium/ long term.
  8. When will indyref2 happen?

    Who has switched to back independence? Murray Foote
  9. When will indyref2 happen?

    Ok Not withstanding all the BT lies over the EU, jobs , defence, pensions, currency etc and on and on and on.......just concentrating on "the vow" "The vow" as in the article published in the DR was a carefully drafted document promising a timetable on the delivery of something. No one could say at the time what that something was and still can't. The 3 main UK party leaders each had different views on the levels of devolution implied by the vow. The tories were in power so it was the wishiest washiest version that they put forward as per the Smith commission. In addition, the whole "lead the Uk not leave the UK" mantra was blown out the water the day after the referendum, when the tories introduced EVEL and thus made all Scots constituencies 2nd class, in respect of UK wide elections. Since then EU powers being repatriated to Westminster and a refusal to devolve certain taxes has meant the respective weakening of Holyrood in relation to Westminster. One can only imagine with the growth of the Scottish office under the tories this trend of quietly stripping Holyrood of power, will continue. The genius of the vow was that it was worded so that the gullible thought they were getting something rock solid: "the most powerful devolved govt in the world."....lol The reality is that it was an empty shell. Its not a case of the vow not being delivered. Its a case that nothing was ever vowed. A nice little con.
  10. When will indyref2 happen?

    Lol....Given its 2 main architects admit that "the vow" was never fulfilled and one of them has now even switched to support independence........I think we can safely say vow 1 was not kept.
  11. BBC Scotland

    Aye...cmon the Real Kashmir. Great story. Hats aff tae the Robertsons.....father and son. Hopefully Robertson sticks it and they win the I league.
  12. When will indyref2 happen?

    When you compare our GDP with similar sized Western European countries, it would appear Scotland in union is underperforming. We have a markedly smaller GDP than Ireland, Denmark etc. This despite the obvious resource benefit we hold. Time to escape our financial mismanagement by the UK gov.

    rUK politics And there are still Scots who would have us continue to sign up for this pish
  14. When will indyref2 happen?

    ^^^^ Ffs lol A very Scottish thing to have so many self loathing bawbags amongst us. Keep it up agent Philyerpants. By the way whats happening about that signed original. Pm me. Its going to be a rare example of early 21stC Caledonian cringewankery in a few years. Worth a few bob a reckon.
  15. When will indyref2 happen?

    No. Darlings currency ambush on Salmond in the first big debate was a disaster and started to stem the flow of momentum to yes....it also allowed all the follow on arguments about them refusing a cu and pensions, benefits, wages etc not getting paid. Bullshit obviously. However it frightened the auld, weak minded and gullible. The same thing will happen again. Why the wish to have the BoE set our monetary policy? Its is a recipe for disaster. Especially in the early days. A properly developed currency plan, laid out well before implementation has always been the way to go.
  16. When will indyref2 happen?

    Wrong. It allows the rUK to dictate iScotlands monetary policy from day 1. The correct course is to have the plans for a new currency fully established, fully critiqued by economic experts and placed in front of the electorate before day 1 of any new indy ref campaign. That way any nonsense spouted by the britnats can be crushed with solid academic evidence. Keeping the pound was and is a loser.
  17. When will indyref2 happen?

    Using the pound always a non starter. That clusterfuck idea lost us the last indy ref. In the short to medium term iScotland is going to have to borrow before we start seeing the savings we will make from leaving the basketcase UK start to flow in, and we have established a fiscal framework which proprly generates revenue from our vast resource. For this to happen as painlessly as possible, we need the fiscal control levers over our own currency. I do not think having the BoE as lender whilst we are in the middle of negotiation with their political masters is feasible. Recipe for being held to ransom. We have had 4 and a half years to develop a plan. This has been wasted to a large extent on Wilsons nonsensical growth commission. Our own currency should have been launched (in theory) a long time ago, backed up by sound reasoning and international economist academic opinion. This would have allowed the electorate time to get used to the idea and prevent the britnats again making hay on the subject....again More importantly it would allow the markets and credit agencies time to exam the proposals and make suggestion.
  18. Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

    Brexit is a catastrophic mistake.....but if its a shit deal or no deal it will lead to indy.
  19. Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

    The most recent example being Leonards strong voice of commitment to tory Brexit....... the day before Corbyn undermined him and finally backed a peoples vote
  20. Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

    ^^^^ All maybe all true in rUK But SLAB in Scotland are a washed out shower of wrong uns who will continue to side with their tory chums. Unelectable until they purge their britnat roaster element.
  21. Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

    Martin Bell. Albeit elected in 97. Served until 2001.
  22. When will indyref2 happen?

    You are laughably out of touch. More so with every day that passes.
  23. What is the point of Labour

    Further. For the benefit of P&B 's resident left wing non educants......... Corbyn will be toast soon. No doubt about it. Perhaps ye can get behind independence again. Or hope for a left wing brexit?