Glenmavis Diamond
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20 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said:
I’m sorry but on number 5 you’ve got to be joking he gave 13 fouls against us. 13 and there were about 3/4 of them where we won the ball cleanly. That is an absolutely mental takeaway from watching that game today.
Also ‘because I think they went out their way to stop us from playing’ - what does that even mean. Isn’t that the whole point of a team defending?
With all due respect, you've actually proven my point. 13 fouls and only 2 bookings. Yet we had way less fouls and got 3 bookings. Two of which were for the respective players 1st fouls. Irrespective of whether you think they were fouls or not, the ref gave them, yet failed to book players time and time again. So your players kept committing fouls until he eventually booked your boy twice in quick succession. You had a yellow card coming long before it came. He then proceeds to book and send off our player for his only 2 fouls. First one was a yellow for pulling. The 2nd was not. Also booked McCabe for a first foul. He was inconsistent.
As for your second point, defending is winning the ball. Fouling is fouling. As soon as we got past your man, they committed a foul. Almost every time in the 1dt half. Any most went unpunished so you kept doing it. I never said it was a bad tactic of yours. In fact, it's a clever way to stop a team whose strength (usually!) is playing good football through teams. So it worked well for you. Anyway, that was only 1 point of many I made. The overall point I made was, we deserved to lose. I do believe I ended with that.
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Arbroath may have had some bad results before, but have won 4 on the bounce now. They're nobodies mugs and showed that today. 3 home wins in a row too. Home form is crucial. Yeah we've lost 3 away games, but we've won our 2 home games. Need to keep home form going but try and pick up some points away from home too.
Our performance today, whilst awful, is not consistent with how we've played this season. We've had some excellent results with this same group of players. Being the only team to beat Partick in the league being one highlight.
There's several factors that influenced the outcome of today's game.
1. I think McCabe went with the wrong starting 11 today. Not sure he and McMaster work well in midfield. Also don't think O'connor should be starting, especially if it results in McGregor being put onto the opposite wing from where he's done well lately. And why drop McStravick who has looked good and creative in the last 2 games? Makes no sense.
2. I also think the wind played it's part, which Arbroath knew how to handle and we clearly didn't.
3. Too many players weren't at the races today. You can cope with one or two, but not 7 or 8. We were sluggish, 2nd to every ball and out-muscled. They wanted it more.
4. Too many long, hit and hope passes that didn't come off. That's not how we play. There was far less attempt to play through the middle today. I put that in part down to McCabe and McMaster both playing. Think they both sit too deep so can't expect Frizz to do it all. Gal came back plenty to collect the ball deep and was fouled a lot when he got it.
5. The ref let a lot of fouls go unpunished for them. Eventually booked a guy twice in quick succession but I felt he would try and level things and he did. They fouled us way more, yet we got 3 cards to their 2? Nuts. Why is this important? Because I think they went out their way to stop us playing. As soon as Gal or Frizz beat their man, they were fouled. Ref didn't clamp down early so they kept doing it.
There's other factors too but ultimately, we deserved to lose. It happens. What's important is that we work hard this week to make sure it doesn't happen again next week, or any time soon!
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I see the experienced addition of Aiden McGeady is working wonders for Ayr so far.
Hope we manage to spank them when we play them. They could be the new Falkirk!
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10 hours ago, airdrieman said:
Something like -
Rae
Watson Fordyce Hancock Fellows
GavGal
McStravick Telfer (if fit)
McGill Todorov Dunlopwould do me. Lets a couple of fringe players play and some others increase their match fitness/sharpness. I’d let the likes of Cassidy, Spalding and Kavanagh feature too assuming we put the game to bed early enough. I’d swap out Rae for Hutton but I assume he can’t/won’t play anymore and I’m not sure how au fait he’d be with our current style of play anyway
And I wouldn’t rush Telfer back if he’s not fit yet. Hopefully this week is a good opportunity for the injured players to recover in time for Gayfield.
Would you go as far as to play Liam Prunty in goals? I'd certainly get as many Fringe players in as possible and rest players. GK usually not as important in that respect, but more about giving a young GK like Prunty that exposure maybe.
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6 hours ago, Pull My Strings said:
I can only comment on the game I watched, mate. I'm aware that Airdrie scored a load of goals last season so maybe yesterday was an outlier.
Given that was apparently the first game in over 40 games that we've not scored in then yes, I'd say it was the outlier. I think a team playing our style who end up having 4 midfielders out at the same time will always be challenged to compete in the same way they usually would. Most teams would be the same. And it's easy to say change tactics but becoming a long ball team requires players who suit that style. We don't have many that do, since it's not how we want to play. Just unfortunate and hopefully next game at our ground, we can show a better performance and maybe score some goals.
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On 29/08/2023 at 10:22, airdrie74 said:
OK so I'm a nerd. I had a look back at our results yesterday. We have scored in every one of the last 43 games we've played. I was doubtful that we could keep going "up a league" but we have. I wonder what the longest scoring streak is - anyone know?
Why? Just why?
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I think what today shows you is how important the tactics and style of play are that Rhys has embedded into the team. To go away from home to Dundee Utd missing 3 midfielders, then have our 4th and arguably one of the best go off injured after 5 mins and Still be able to play our way and control large parts of the game speaks volumes. Not to mention starting debutants today McStravick and Hancock, followed by another in Gav Gallagher off the bench.
Not the result we hoped for but so much to be encouraged by for the season ahead.
I get a feeling that McStravick and Frizz playing together could be extremely exciting to watch.
@airdrieman I think mentioned McStravick maybe playing out wide next week but pretty certain he's a central player so would prefer seeing him in there if that's where we are going to get the best out of him.
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59 minutes ago, UtdFan said:
A mixture of Airdrie being really good in the second half without creating too much and United being very very average! I think Airdrie will have a good season if that’s them without 3 or 4 of their best players! Comfortable in possession, attack minded, good young team.
Tell that to some of our own fans.
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2 hours ago, Diamond8 said:
4th game in and our squad depth or lack of it is already showing signs in stretching, but what do we know?
Yeah, the club should have signed an extra 3 or 4 midfielders to account for the possibility of having 3 injured and one suspended at the same time becaus that happens a lot eh.
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10 minutes ago, Diamonds02 said:
Well 3 players out who all play the exact same position is pretty unheard of.
I’m not sure there’s a team in the league that wouldn’t be struggling with 3 starting centre midfielders out.
Exactly. You can't justify signing another couple of midfielders just incase an unprecedented event happens. You'd have a squad of 30+ if you took that approach.
Also, Rhys said in his recent interview that he's specific about who he wants to sign with a view that they're capable of pushing the starting 11 for a spot. That way he doesn't end up with lots of unhappy players chapping his door asking why they don't get a game.
To date, he's done an incredible job of striking the right balance throughout the squad and the team atmosphere looks second to none. The players are happy, they're fighting for each other, they're working their socks off and leaving nothing on the pitch. That's the attitude we've all been crying out for.
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43 minutes ago, Diamonds02 said:
I would say yes, fair enough if you think of that statement in a financial sense but I never took it that way.
I would say the high risk is signing unproven youngsters and the reward is then turning out like devenny, McMaster etc.
Also, the high risk high reward comment from Rhys was about our style of play, not our signing policy, so it's unfair to lift and shift it out of context.
I don't think our signings are high risk. What would be high risk is signing aging players on the decline who are looking for a bigger wage than they'll contribute to, who have as much chance being injured as anyone. Experience doesn't always win the day, as Falkirk have proven time and time again.
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10 minutes ago, G_H said:
The reality is that this team finished 3rd in league 1 and squeaked up via the playoffs. It's not unreasonable to expect robust recruitment and have askance of where we have ended up given that its almost exclusively been unproven kids.
Thrilled to have 6/9 points, and if we can keep that up then brilliant; however will be interested to see where we will be at the end of the first cycle of fixtures (I'm pretty much expecting a gubbing on Saturday, but hope I am wrong). Injuries are more likely to catch up with us than other squads with more depth, but I also think that there are other teams in the division who are weaker than they are made out to be.
So am I worried about relegation? It's going to be a concern this season until it is not.
I too am worried about the thought of relegation. You'd be foolish not to, given how rank league 1 has been for so many years. I'd also like to see us sign a couple more players, be it permanent or on loan, but I do expect that to happen at some point over the next month. I'm also worried about how Saturday will go as away to Dundee Utd is a huge test. Biggest budget v smallest (most likely) so it's gonna be tough.
In saying that, I do believe in the group of players we already have in place. More importantly, I believe we've got one of the most exciting young managers in the game right now, who is still learning himself.
Yeah we finished 3rd in League One last year. But I'll bet you McCabe learned a lot from that and some of the losses. You can already see how much tighter we are becoming defensively without compromising too much on our style of play. We also banged in the 2nd highest number of goals in Scotland last season. So far this season we've scored 15 goals in 8 games. That's pretty incredible form a league up and with 2 games against SPL teams in there too.
Let's be honest, all lively debates aside, it's exciting as feck and going to continue to be for the season ahead. But we are in the Championship and I've no doubt the club will do all they can within their power to remain here.
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37 minutes ago, Passionate said:
Yes to an extent you are correct, this thread is lively these days., Devenneys stock Rose dramatically without kicking a ball this season, got his move and wish him well. . McMaster could well be the same, behind him ?? I will rephrase it for you can you survive this season in the championship with kids.... I suspect your answer will be a resounding YES, as you expect i would disagree with your proposed response..
Could a team of kids survive in the Championship? It'd be a very difficult challenge for sure and most likely a team of kids would not survive. No issues agreeing to that.
The thing is, which is what many people keep missing the point of, we don't have a team full of kids. We've got an excellent blend of youth and experience.
A young GK with a whole year of Championship experience with QoTS and the best part of last year in a promotion winning team with us last season.
A very experienced, and settled defence.
A midfield with a great mix of both, namely Frizz, Telfer and McCabe who've bags of experience with some superb young talent already holding their own in big games.
An attack with Gal, Gabby and Todorov.
There's experience right through the core of the team, with young players mixed in. And you know what? They're all talented and all contributing. It's not a case of, experience guaranteeing better play. You could easily argue that the younger players have made more of a contribution in many games this season already.
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44 minutes ago, Jack Reed said:
McMaster over McInroy ,aye maybe in 10 years time ,
And it's comments like this that prove there's no reasoning with some folk on here. Let's see where McInroy is v McMaster in a few years time.
As I said, they're both good players right now and offer a lot. You clearly don't agree and that's fine.
But as I've said before, I'm happy to trust Rhys and the clubs approach and opinion of what a talented player is.
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45 minutes ago, Kenny_m said:
You really haven’t. EG: Kerr McInroy would walk into our 1st 11 and play every week as he’s guaranteed and proven at this level. We have signed potential and for the avoidance of doubt i’m not criticising these young players.
You said they don't have the capability to play in the first team. I challenged that they might, as others have proven before them. You're not even giving them a chance and writing them off, purely based on their age.
McInroy may well be a cracking player for Thistle this season. But what's his wages like? Maybe outwith our budget? Also, will he end up being better than our current midfielders? Not guaranteed. I'd have McMaster over him any day.
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40 minutes ago, Passionate said:
Would you not drop Aiken or McMaster for McCabe and Frizzell or even Telfer if all available..... I certainly would against a team the calibre of Dundee United at Tannadice.
No. As they've already been playing and playing well so merit there place in the team. The fact you'd consider dropping McMaster, a player whose leading by some distance in the August player of the month vote, speaks volumes.
It's clear that you're in the Alan Hansen 'you can't win anything with kids' camp so we shall have to agree to disagree.
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34 minutes ago, Passionate said:
Well nearing un mind we haven't signed that many new players, I will raise you Elliot Dunlop and the jury has to be out on Hancock, Gallagher, Cassidy , Todorov has proven as a experienced championship player he can cut it...
Would you say any of the players mentioned are ' clearly good enough'
I don't know yet. As they've not had the opportunity. But as I've said before I'd trust McCabe's judgement on a player's over anyone on P&B.
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5 minutes ago, Jack Reed said:
Throwing them in at the deep end will give them experience but might be a bad one ,maybe like the result the reserves had against Livy
Any experience csn be good experience, depending on how they use it and are coached. Lovi had several 1st team Fringe players in their team. A good learning curve for our players or the level they need to aspire to.
Said it already but we are not expected to win every game. We will have hard games, but to flip an old saying, if you're good enough, you're old enough.
ETA: Imagine saying to someone like Aiken or McMaster that you were dropping them because we were playing Dundee Utd because they weren't old enough. What would that do to their confidence and belief in themselves?
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6 minutes ago, Kenny_m said:
You’ve completed missed my point. Do you really think Gav Gal & McStravick are going to be automatic picks as 18 year olds and 1 of whom has never played a senior professional game in his career.
No, I totally got your point.
Murray Aiken is 18. Devenny last season was 18. McMaster is only 20. Aiken and Devenny hadn't played 1st team games before joining us. And starting games.
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13 minutes ago, Jack Reed said:
Gav Gallagher will be banned for sat ,seems a big game for inexperienced players,only my opinion,
Not sure how sending offs in the reserves work. But in terms of inexperienced players, you'd say the same of McMaster and Aike who've bossed our midfield so far, against both Dundee and Ross County. Dundee Utd away will always be a difficult game no matter who we bring in. They're runaway favourites got the league and starting to play well.
We won't win every game this season. Nobody expects us to. But we've Ready started much better than most expected. And that's with young, inexperienced players starting every week. And how do these players get experience? They only become experienced by getting regular game time.
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5 minutes ago, Kenny_m said:
Yip agree with the first part but we haven’t signed anyone whose quality would make him an automatic pick. In my mind it’s simply because we can’t or are not willing to stump up that little bit extra to secure that type.
Who are you meaning and how do you know they don't have the capability to be an automatic pick this season? Rhys said he seems Gavin Gallagher as a replacement for Devenny. We signed McMaster on a permanent deal and he's smashing it and a permanent starter now. You cant say he doesn't count because he was here on loan last season. He's signed permanently, stepped up and is bossing it. Aiken on loan has nailed down a starting spot. Todorov will push Gal all the way and would be starting but for injury. Hancock is being kept out by a solid back 4, but has looked good when he's come on.
We've not even seen Gavin Gallagher or McStravick yet, so how could you possibly say they're not going to be good enough to become starters?
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5 minutes ago, Jack Reed said:
My point is we do not have enough players at the moment to cover our sending off our injuries ,was the manager not on the bench and a couple of others that no way they were going on the park ,
If McCabe was close to being fit last weekend, I'd expect him to be fit for this Weekend, at least for a place on the bench again. Telfer could also be back, McStravick could be cleared to play, we've got Gav Gal in. So I think we will be OK and I trust there may be more to join in the coming weeks.
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3 hours ago, Kenny_m said:
Here's Rhys explaining today and I think I've mentioned this once or twice. Clear policy is to sign and develop young players as for "quality" well, that's down to the budget.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/crystal-palace-move-shows-airdrie-30815090
I'd say quantity is down to budget more than quality. He says himself he's signing players who fit into the way we play and can develop and potentially be sold on. Sounds like a sensible strategy to me. He's made it clear he's only going to sing players of a quality that he recognises as being good enough for our team and not just the bench.
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6 hours ago, Passionate said:
What is the remit now, only signing players that are better than what we have and doesn't want to sign anybody just to fill the bench....
or the exact opposite signing players who are clearly not good enough at the moment and are there to fill the bench....
Can anybody confirm our squad and signing remit.... Rhys seems to be saying one thing then doing the other..
Who has he signed that, in your opinion, is 'clearly not good enough'?
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Airdrieonians 23/24 Championship Thread♦️
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Posted · Edited by Glenmavis Diamond
It's not mind blowing. It's very simple. There was a good 6 or 7 early fouls, in very similar positions about 35 yards out, which all went unpunished. Whether you think they were fouls or not is not the point. They were given, so the ref thought they were fouls. So many in a short space of time would be considered consistent. Yet no bookings. Then he books the same player twice very quickly, so sent off. Funnily enough, the fouls pretty much stopped. Then goes out to level it up by giving us 3 bookings, 2 of which were for first fouls, not persistent fouling like your players were doing.
So it absolutely had an impact.
One, because the ref didn't clamp down on the fouls quick enough with an early booking and two, because he gives Airdrie more bookings for a fraction of the fouls. The ref was very poor. However, I am in no way blaming him for the loss, merely pointing out it was one of many contributing factors.