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On 17/08/2020 at 14:11, rudebwoyben said:
As a fan of a non-League English club, I can suggest that they apply for a place in the North East Counties League Division 2 and they can work their way up from there, but that’s not what they actually want, is it?
Northern Counties East League wouldn't have them. They'd have to try for Northern League!
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9 hours ago, Insaintee said:
Good bye Hearts you were fun while you lasted.
f**k off
Now... aka 'Spleen Of Midlothian F. C.'
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When will we know who goes where in EoSFL?
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A rule book doesn't trump the law, regardless of any 'catch all' clause.
Hearts will almost certainly be arguing there's a disconnect between the rule book and the law in their particular situation (as opposed to arguing the rule book wasn't properly followed). In what regards we can only guess.
Nick de Marco QC recently wrote a piece in the Sports Law Bulletin about the implications of the failed South Shields appeal. His final concluding paragraph indicates areas where such disconnects may occur:
"The case is not, however, a carte blanche to governing bodies in these uncertain times. The FA, and other regulators in sport, remain bound by ordinary public law and contractual principles. Irrational decisions will continue to be challenged; and procedural fairness must be achieved notwithstanding the unprecedented times in which we live. The ability to amend or vary rules due to COVID-19 must be exercised in accordance with the rules or articles of association of each relevant league. Where decisions are made collectively by votes of member clubs (as is the case in levels above those considered in this case) unfair prejudice and/or competition law principles may also come into play."
The full article is at: https://www.sportslawbulletin.org/football-time-covid-19-lessons-be-learned-recent-decision-south-shields-fc-v-fa/thanks to Paulh66 at Non League Matters for this.
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20 hours ago, Zing. said:
Just like every other proposal so far that abomination wouldn’t get the required backing from the clubs.
14-20-10 might!
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6 minutes ago, pansjambo said:
Looking at BBC site it would appear leagues called but still having play offs?
Correct
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4 hours ago, Johnstoun said:
You can’t relegate unfairly expel
him without a vote!
It wasn't a 'relegation' as that requires the season being complete, not truncated' as has happened. Neither is it an 'expulsion', as that would require no longer being part of the SPFL organisation. The correct term for Hearts' fate should be 'demotion', which I've not yet seen written here.
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1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said:
Fair point.
Oooops! My miscount. Should be 14-20-10
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In among all the fairness drama, there was one 'f**k nobody over' reconstruction solution...
14-18-12
All perfectly do-able fixture wise.
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7 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:
Will you just shut up please?
No... no I will not. I will continue to insert my t'uppennyworth in this forum with ideas as and when they arise, whether they're serious ones, or more lighthearted. I will not take umbrage at any anal-retentive/po-faced individual who puts me on 'ignore', which, of course, you are also free to do. Good day.
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3 hours ago, Lebowski said:
I'd say that the team bringing through the last Scottish player to win the Champions League being Queen's Park negates quite a bit of his argument there.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with teams being semi professional. He's talking about England and the national league. That's the clubs 93rd to 112th in their football. Adjust Scotlands population for England and the sides at the bottom of our leagues would be 400th or so in their pyramid. Are the sides at that level professional to the extent he's talking about in England, I don't think so. They're at a much much lower level than the Scottish ones playing wise, and their crowds are worse.
Us existing next to England fucking warps people's brains.
If you follow hugely experienced Europe-wide groundhopper, Leo Hoenig, you'll know that he has a fairly accurate theory that team/match quality bears a strong positive corelation with average attendances, wherever you go.
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3 hours ago, Lebowski said:
I'd say that the team bringing through the last Scottish player to win the Champions League being Queen's Park negates quite a bit of his argument there.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with teams being semi professional. He's talking about England and the national league. That's the clubs 93rd to 112th in their football. Adjust Scotlands population for England and the sides at the bottom of our leagues would be 400th or so in their pyramid. Are the sides at that level professional to the extent he's talking about in England, I don't think so. They're at a much much lower level than the Scottish ones playing wise, and their crowds are worse.
Us existing next to England fucking warps people's brains.
In England the 400th.-odd team would be playing in the 8th.-tier of their pyramid. Average attendances vary from 820 at Guernsey, 607 at Hastings, down to 54 at FC Romania.
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10 minutes ago, TonyFerrino said:
Sounds plausible right enough - a 42 team league. Auld Auntie Anne and her pals in the media are starting to reek of desperation now.
Actually, let's go for a 20-20 league, excluding the gruesome twosome from the tables... but, every team in the two divisions gets one home & one away match against an ugly sister each season to make a total of 40 matches.
Old Firm thus get 40 matches and could have four games against each other thrown on at Xmas/Easter, say to make 44 matches.
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7 minutes ago, TonyFerrino said:
Sounds plausible right enough - a 42 team league. Auld Auntie Anne and her pals in the media are starting to reek of desperation now.
14-20-10, SORTED!
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This is just a little musing upon the idea of restructuring... and while constructive criticism/debate is welcomed, let's please not have any flaming &/or ad hominem attacks, okay?
Firstly. I know many folks carry an irrational dread of odd-numbered divisional memberships. To those persons, please forgive me for giving youse both barrels in the heid with this idea!
As the title suggests, I see a 15-15-15 divisional restructure as a possibility. It won't allay the objections of those objectors to anything but the present 12-10-10-10 structure, but would possibly return a more interesting/entertaining season than the 14-14-14/16 ideas out there.
I envisage 2-up/down + 1 play-off candidate at each end of all divisions, save the bottom of the third tier, which would be 1-up/down + 1 play-off candidate, although team#44 & team#45 would play-out for the right to reach the play-off vs. the loser of the HFL/LFL play-off.
The season would consist of the usual double-round-robin(28-matches over 30 fixture dates) and then a three-way split: - 1st.-5th. places; 6th.-10th places &11th.-15th places (8-matches over 10 fixture dates) ~ providing motivation prizes/penalties in each of the three latter groupings.In the Top-groupings, the prizes on offer are going to be obvious = Champions, European places, promotions...
Likewise, the Bottom-groupings playing against relegations.
Both Top & bottom will provide three of four play-off candidates.The Middle-grouping will be playing for one extra play-off position, both up & downward! 6th.-place for promotion, 10th.-place against relegation.
Note that in Teir One, 6th.-place would be playing to challenge for a European place.All play-offs would be of the formats A~10th. (H) vs. 13th.; B~11th. (H) vs. 12th.; C~3rd. (H) vs. 6th. & D~4th. (H) vs. 5th. in a single legged preliminary, followed respectively by loser A vs. loser B & winner C vs. winner D, again in single legged matches with higher placed team at home ~ to produce the final two play-off candidates. Play-off finals could be 2-legged home/away games or single-legged neutral venue ones.
Apart from giving every team four match days off with a 36-game season spread over the 40 match days, are there any likes/hates out there &/or constructive critique?
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This is just a little musing upon the idea of restructuring... and while constructive criticism/debate is welcomed, let's please not have any flaming &/or ad hominem attacks, okay?
Firstly. I know many folks carry an irrational dread of odd-numbered divisional memberships. To those persons, please forgive me for giving youse both barrels in the heid with this idea!
As the title suggests, I see a 15-15-15 divisional restructure as a possibility. It won't allay the objections of those objectors to anything but the present 12-10-10-10 structure, but would possibly return a more interesting/entertaining season than the 14-14-14/16 ideas out there.
I envisage 2-up/down + 1 play-off candidate at each end of all divisions, save the bottom of the third tier, which would be 1-up/down + 1 play-off candidate, although team#44 & team#45 would play-out for the right to reach the play-off vs. the loser of the HFL/LFL play-off.
The season would consist of the usual double-round-robin(28-matches over 30 fixture dates) and then a three-way split: - 1st.-5th. places; 6th.-10th places &11th.-15th places (8-matches over 10 fixture dates) ~ providing motivation prizes/penalties in each of the three latter groupings.In the Top-groupings, the prizes on offer are going to be obvious = Champions, European places, promotions...
Likewise, the Bottom-groupings playing against relegations.
Both Top & bottom will provide three of four play-off candidates.The Middle-grouping will be playing for one extra play-off position, both up & downward! 6th.-place for promotion, 10th.-place against relegation.
Note that in Teir One, 6th.-place would be playing to challenge for a European place.All play-offs would be of the formats A~10th. (H) vs. 13th.; B~11th. (H) vs. 12th.; C~3rd. (H) vs. 6th. & D~4th. (H) vs. 5th. in a single legged preliminary, followed respectively by loser A vs. loser B & winner C vs. winner D, again in single legged matches with higher placed team at home ~ to produce the final two play-off candidates. Play-off finals could be 2-legged home/away games or single-legged neutral venue ones.
Apart from giving every team four match days off with a 36-game season spread over the 40 match days, are there any likes/hates out there &/or constructive critique?
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1 minute ago, djchapsticks said:
So wait, relegating a team 30/38 games into a season for being in an automatic relegation place is less fair than promoting a team at same stage of season who aren't in an automatic promotion place?
Riiiiight.
Yes. Exactly. Although, you'd allow for play-offs, just excusing those 2nd.-last teams from them. If EFL & NL can have their play-offs in England, SPFL can, too.
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1 minute ago, djchapsticks said:
So who else comes up to reshuffle this? 2nd in the respective leagues?
There's not an automatic 2nd promotion place in Championship, League One or League two so surely going by the same 'logic' being applied through this thread, that's not fair to the teams below 2nd in each division who still had a realistic shout of promotion via the playoffs and now have that door closed in their faces because reconstruction has been retroactively applied.
Why should promotion via method of 'let's just let 2nd placed teams come up, even though that's not a promotion place' after three quarters of a season be classed as 'fair' but relegation for being shite through three quarters of the season isn't?
As I've said, no-one has presented a truly fair scenario. Because there isn't one.
Hence, 'is as 'fair' as it can get.'!
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3 hours ago, djchapsticks said:
And yet through all of this, not one individual has managed to come up with a completely 'fair' outcome. I've yet to see and single one presented that you cannot pick dozens of holes in.
14-10-10-10 is as 'fair' as it can get.
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In the 'philosophy of the league style competition' it is accepted that there is no such thing as a league table until all matches in the league program; i.e. all have played each other once at home and once away in a traditional round-robin tourney; have been completed. Obviously, it's a bit different in the SPFL Premier due to their 'odd' schedule, but the point remains... there are no champions, no wooden-spoons and indeed, no other positions achieved until every planned match has been completed.
In effect, this means that any unfinished league season is naturally null and void. As much as I despise n&v, the philosophy is definite on this.
Another thing I want to mention is the argument that teams being elevated to higher divisions cause any teams already in those divisions some palpable harm. I guess that there's a truth in that these latter teams would no longer be playing matches versus the teams that they might've been playing otherwise, that'd likely have brought bigger supports with them.
However, also in that scenario, such teams swap that factor for the one in which they now likely become 'the big fish' within their newly created division, concommittant with a likely much improved playing record in a technically easier division. Which fact in itself likely draws a better average home support, due to those improved results.
The 'but we're effectively relegated to the bottom division' argument, while kinda true, is somewhat 'straw-man', as of course, their standing within their division is much improved & further proof against relegation to Tier 4. Further, they'd have greatly improved promotional chances (that itself will also build crowds) and with promotion they'd enter a Tier 2 division of rather easier average oppositional strength than before restructuring.
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Seen this from Private Eye yet?
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I think that when Conferences are drawn, there should aforethought perhaps be three/four different ones made!
A 4-way split, a 5-way split, a 6-way split and even an 8-way split ~ and chosen accordingly for the available length of season.
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Which clubs are likely to be the first to pass licensing criteria in WoSFL and thus be eligible for promotion?
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New clubs in the East of Scotland
in East of Scotland Football League
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Team Bath disbanded ten-ish years ago, but Loughborough Uni. compete at Step 5