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Regarding relegation from the Lowland this season
So Buckie play East Kilbride in the Highland/Lowland play off and the winners play Clyde to see who goes to SPFL2 or highland or Lowland leagues.
Am I correct in thinking that if Buckie defeat East Kilbride and then go onto defeat Clyde this will means that both East Kilbride and Clyde will be in the Lowland League 24/25 season but as it means an extra team is joining the Lowland, this will mean that Gretna as the second bottom team will also be relegated along with Edinburgh Uni. Is this correct?2 -
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2 hours ago, virginton said:
Every team that finishes top of their league should have the opportunity to achieve promotion if they meet the required standards to progress. That's a functioning pyramid structure and already have that in place.
There's absolutely no reason why automatic promotion should be granted for winning a league. It doesn't actually strengthen the quality of the levels above if the 'best' from a regional tier comes up every other season and stinks the place out reliably.
You're appealing to 'common sense' because there's no other reason to justify your personal preference; having already abandoned the claim that a 'bottleneck' exists in the current structure.
'Doesn't strengthen quality' and 'No other reason other than common sense', well that is flawed, (just now)
Take SPFL 2, every team relegated into the Lowland league and suppose the Highland league with Brechin, none of them have been promoted back, (unless there's one sneaked through that I've forgot about), this tells us that those teams who have came from the SPFL2 are not as good as teams in the Lowland League. I would also say the same from being relegated from the Lowland into the WOSFL and the EOSFL, (just for ease I'm taking the SOSFL out of this) This will eventually stop as in teams relegated from the SPFL2 and the Lowland will be good enough to come back but in the past 5 years even more you can see the strength of teams below 'tier 5' moving up, making 'tier 5' a stronger league showing us that in the Lowland league is now the strongest ever since its inception, (and still many think it can become better and stronger still)
You should have a straight forward relegation and promotion and yes 3 up 3 down is perfect but I do have a different take on the SPFL2 that it should be an automictic relegation and the 2nd bottom in relegation playoff, 2nd bottom to make it exciting for all fans, which has proven to work.
There is no doubt in my mind the SPFL will eventually get tougher in quality with teams moving up to it and weaker being relegated but there is the question of better teams being relegated just because the committee are weak and or the manager and coaching staff are weak.You can see why the majority of fans, teams, committee, players are unhappy with the way it is the now, and forgot to add, neutrals will and do feel the same way
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Brilliant, exciting ending to the league. I'm thinking Buckie will do it
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What a mental game
Shotts had a man sent off early and were up 3.1 and Thornliewood now at 3.3
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7 minutes ago, GIRUU said:
I’m sure he had to remove himself from gartcairn as the boss man and the secretary couldn’t hold positions at clubs. They had to be independent of clubs.
But then he couldn’t be on the wos committee if that was the case. Unless he’s got the rules changed to suit him. Which seems to be a possibility from further up the thread.
it would be good for wos and Sjfa to just stay separate with separate bosses or combine and do it together. This two shows and two bosses would not creates mischief and possibly two salaries. Doesn’t make sense. Maybe the sfa need to get involved?He is still with Gartcairn
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5 minutes ago, Burnieman said:
Agree, he is only one blazer regardless of position.
However, why are clubs nominating him in the first place and why would clubs vote for him IF everyone is invested in making the Pyramid work first and foremost.
Why is he even on the WoSFL Board given the conflict of interest, and what club is he representing.
He has ploughed quite a bit of money into Gartcairn and also the Junior FA. I have been informed by a number of reliable sources
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Just now, Shanner said:
I think you've just wore me down.
I also think you're a complete fantasist.
That's up to you, but if its fact, I'll say it is and I was there and challenged him on it.
I think making comments of 'return back to the juniors' is actually worse and more concerning, especially when this guy is added to the WOSFL committee than his comments to me and others about the pyramid, SJC and the SCC0 -
3 minutes ago, Shanner said:
Sorry for failing to live up to your expectations.
All you do is deflection, you know what deflection is, don't ya?
You never responded about the comments of the post expect for being personal again, thats all you do
Last time you said it was lies, because I said it, then others came out with posts from other posts, other apps from comments he made but I'm the one making it up lolol
I said, the man in question said to me and others that, 'The pyramid is dead, The only real cup is the Junior cup and the SCC is weak/nonsense' and the reasoning behind it was false and trumpt up which I challenged him on it, in front of the others which he flapped.
I've no reason to make it up, all other accusations and proofs of other, similar things he has said is there for you to see from other posts on here and suppose it backs what I've said up but I don't need backed up as I was there listening to what he was saying to me and others. I will say that he did not say to me or the others, 'I want teams to revert back to the juniors', there was no mention / comments of any kind regarding that. His comments were about the Pyramid, the Scottish junior cup and the Scottish Challenge Cup..
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8 minutes ago, Shanner said:
A lot of words wasted (some were even in English) if you don't care what I think. The loonball protesteth too much.
Common to feck Shanner, that's a shit comeback, makes you look stupid, try something else
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2 hours ago, Shanner said:
Was that one of the quotes that we were expected to take the word of the sliced bread loonball about? I'm not saying he didn't say it but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a higher standard of verification than that and maybe even a wee bit of context. You prefer to obfuscate though so we're unlikely to get anywhere with that.
Whether Talbot proposed it or not doesn't really make a difference to my opinion and I'm certainly not included in any of the decisions or juicy bits of information. My opinion is my own and is open to change based on new information or compelling arguments. That is why it's not moved an inch when talking to yourself.
Was not from me.
Not my fault this loonball makes a fool of you many times over and thus you dislike me that much to try and put down whenever you can, especially when it goes against your narrative, that's your prerogative as you usually need your pals to lick your arse, opps i mean wounds for backing
I said, the man in question said to me and others that, 'The pyramid is dead, The only real cup is the Junior cup and the SCC is weak/nonsense' and the reasoning behind it was false and trumpt up which I challenged him on it, in front of the others which he flapped.
I've no reason to make it up, all other accusations and proofs of other, similar things he has said is there for you to see from other posts on here and suppose it backs what I've said up but I don't need backed up as I was there listening to what he was saying to me and others. I will say that he did not say to me or the others, 'I want teams to revert back to the juniors', there was no mention / comments of any kind regarding that. His comments were about the Pyramid, the Scottish junior cup and the Scottish Challenge Cup.. Sorry I never got a video to prove its fact but then again, i don't really care what you think
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4 hours ago, TM1947 said:
I got a good laugh at this one, West Park are technically better than Lanark. The rest of us must be total
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I never said the rest of anyone else, I said Lanark
If you think Larnark are at the top of the division due to the players technical ability then, fair doos to you
Just because a team is better, never mind believe to be better technically, doesn't mean they are going to win or be run well.
There's a reason why West park are at the bottom and I told you my belief, the reasons why on the field.
Lanark are far more experienced than the majority of West park players and think most of West park players are about 19s/20s with a couple of older players
This is not taking in to account, the ability of the management, The coaching staff, the way its run etc... (with both teams)
I've seen West park 3 times, Lanark 3 times this season, the only two teams I haven't seen in Div 3 at all are Greenock and Threave and I think most of West park players are better technically, just they are no street savy, not strong enough in the tackle and very weak generally.As as I said, having Seen West Park, Dalry and Ardeer, I expect Lanark will comfortably take 6 points from the 9, they may take the 9 but I think the strongest challenge of those 9pts will come from Dalry. Lolo, knowing my knowledge, Dalry will get pumped by Lanark and Ardeer and West Park will win
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14 minutes ago, glensmad said:
A club cannot gain or retain its Scottish FA Licence if it is not playing in a pyramid league. Licensed clubs sign a declaration of commitment to the pyramid.
Yip but its more that the winners of the Junior cup are not allowed to enter the Scottish cup the following year, even better if the Amateur cup winners still allowed to enter
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42 minutes ago, bc57 said:
IF, and I do stress IF, we beat Ardeer, Dalry and West Park, all away in the next three games I think we would be mathematically promoted, given that some of the other promotion contenders have to play each other before the month end.
Think the hardest game out of the 3 will be Dalry, don't think Ardeer have anything to offer a sim sure they are safe and will just plod along, the West park game, I think they are better technically than Lanark, especially on the astro but no experience and not hard enough in a battle so I think Lanark will deffo take 6 points out of 9, the Dalry game, I'm not so sure, they are strong but have been up and down all season
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8 hours ago, wow-wee said:
I've got to agree with you I don t think you could force teams to play in another associations cup as the wosfl operates in the pyramid system under the sfa so I think they would have a say if this was a rule and also they have licenced member clubs within the west. If Alex were to get voted in as chairman which he or any person has a right to be put forward I don t think this plan if true will be forceful. If the West club's voted to go back under the sjfa banner for the West leagues then in my opinion they would need to form a new breakaway league as the wosfl belongs to the sfa within the pyramid system and any new West league under the sjfa would not be recognised by the sfa therefore it would not be part of the pyramid.
I also think if that did happen and a new West league was formed for the juniors, any of those clubs who do break away, and I'm fine with that, I think the SFA would just tell them, even if your licensed in the new breakaway league you wont be eligible to enter the main Scottish Cup as your not part of the SFA pyramid / associations or any of the cup competitions within the Pyramid associations . Think that would be fair.
Would this make the WOSFL weaker, yip but the new west junior league would be weaker as some clubs, quite a few would not leave but stay where they are, so as the saying goes - united we stand, divided we fall
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22 minutes ago, Shannon said:
Surely could extend league by 1 week to 10 days to allow likes of Shotts and Newmains to fit their games in so not playing Monday, Wednesday and Saturday or worse from now until 11th May. Need some flexibility below the Premier when no play off date from First Division to Third Division with our weather and pitches.
Probably a good idea to give likes of Shotts and Newmains more home games before November next season. I know it's a minefield!
I'm positive the fixture secretary will have some flexibility with fixtures.
The only thing the SFA and SPFL care about regarding the tier 6 and below, WOSFL etc... is that the champions of the premier league are confirmed to make sure there aint any delay for the playoffs0 -
3 minutes ago, beaver watch said:
Would this mean the chainman would be punched in the stomach to wind him or a karate chop to the neck?
Why you wanting harm to someone, haven't got a clue what way your mind is thinking
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57 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:
https://www.sba.teamexpert.co.uk/fixtures/1025
Some early, confidence boosting results needed before a torrid run in. 4 games in a week at one point.
Just looked at the run in, ffs, against mostly top teams fighting for promotion. I don't think Shotts will do it but i would like to see them go up
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10 minutes ago, jaggyness said:
Which is fine for a neutral but EK sold out a game against Hamilton earlier this season so for them to not show up now is poor
Sorry again, I'll disagree
Plenty of EK supporters going about but majority of those supporters will also follow Rangers or Celtic.
Same down in Ayrshire, Like Hurlford. fans will also support either Ayr or Killie and they will also have a liking towards Gers or CeltcsThis is not intending to be negative with you but you need to be objective and realistic in your comments
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33 minutes ago, Vanderbilt said:
Don’t need to hear from McDowall.
This is his agenda.
Well I'm shocked
Why would an association want to have this person join their committee when its quite clear he does not agree with it and wants something else to exist
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4 hours ago, timeforchange said:
If as suggested that Alex McDowell is anti pyramid which I don’t think is true he is maybe just be realistic about it. Most clubs I think wanted a pyramid system in place so they could go as far as they could if they wanted and had the finances to do so. The problem is a lot higher up than that. Do the sfa and the clubs in other tiers really want to be challenged by clubs coming up through a proper pyramid system ? I’m not so sure they move the goalposts and change the criteria every year to suit their own agendas and protect themselves. The league set up was a carve up right from the start so the sfa could have a more regional set up under its umbrella as there was no west set up previously and now it’s more aligned to their needs of working. George Fraser was set up when the league was being formed right at the start their has been a few false promises although I still think the pyramid system is the correct model but there needs to be more alignment with promotions and relegation no deals or obstacles in the way
Regarding McDowell, he is totally against it, ask anyone at his club. he is very open about it
His exact words to a group of several people at a game including myself, "the pyramid is dead" which i pulled him up. If someone believe the pyramid is dead then that's fine, that's his/her views, but when their reasonings were untrue, by making stuff up or not having the right information, then he was corrected. During his comments to the group.You are 100% correct regarding problems higher up, there is a few regarding promotions and relegations
The corruptions of the SFA and SPFL chairmen trying to get B teams in the pyramid via a new tier 5 league last year which would have demoted about 200 teams
The Spfl 2 not having straight relegation for the bottom team
The lowland league using that excuse from the SPFL2 to not have any straight relegation from the lowland league.Above, those are the 3 main ones
Licenses are not being granted by the SFA until the next AGM but they don't get announced until the AGM or which I'm sure Gartcairn are ready or close too.
I will say, I and many others stated before the WOSFL started that being licensed would become harder as the rules would change, but that is expected in anything.Agreed the pyramid, i believe is the similar to what should be
Do the sfa and the clubs in other tiers really want to be challenged by clubs coming up through a proper pyramid system ?
I would say the SFA don't like it but know they must have a fair system in place so it is slow growth. Clubs in SPFL, especially SPFL 2 and Lowland don't like it but its life, sure there will be a few obstacles but thin it will eventually be opened up, when, I haven't a clue.
There are a few others but above are the main ones. Which has been discussed to death on the WOSFL Forums as well as many others on here but this thread is about the new committee member joining when his true allegiance is the juniors and wants it back. Having said that, the guy has also put his own money into the club and wants to see his Gartcairn team progress.In regards to the WOSFL, most teams have now leveled out in the league so are where they should be, give or take a few. Its a great selection of leagues, excitement everywhere and for a neutral there's always a choice of good games to go to every week. The way it works that if teams genuinely don't want to progress then they just play each season and no hassle but now any team who does want to progress then they have the opportunity to progress
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2 hours ago, jaggyness said:
Utterly abysmal crowd for a cup final
Well to be honest I would have been going but you have an old firm game on and then Liverpool v Man Utd game on the same day and the wind is still mental outside. It would have been so different if those games were not on
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25 minutes ago, An Absolute Imposter said:
Looking at the WOS from the outside there is this perception that clubs are 'frightened' to be the first. What is there to be nervous about being in the LL, apart from the pesky b teams, it is now stacked with 'proper' clubs from the SPFL and EOS.
Grasp the nettle, the LL will probably become one of the most competitive leagues in the system and if there is proper movement between it and tiers 4 and 6 no club should be 'trapped' in it.
Brave New World as Mr Huxley once said.
Agreed, clubs like East Stirlingshire, Albion Rovers, Cowedenbeath, Berwick Rangers etc.. are really at the level they should be and more people are realizing that the SPFL2 is not all its cracked up to be. This season the Lowland league is at the strongest its ever been and imagine the best of the WOSFL are able to be promoted, the LL would be some league to go and watch games
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38 minutes ago, Bestsinceslicebread said:
I'm gonna go Drumchapel, Shotts and have a feeling Blantyre might sneak in
Can I just say, I looked at the updated league again and think, scratch that, I haven't a scooby, except Drumchapel will go up
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Relegation from Lowland league
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Yes but if its not Clyde, it can only be Bonnyrigg Rose or Stranraer so both would be in the same position as Clyde if they finish bottom, ending up in the Lowland