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2 hours ago, BinoBalls said:
ok. I stand by my point that both sides need to stop assuming there’s scheming masterminds controlling people to do their bidding. It’s frankly a little ridiculous, there’s barely a day goes by someone doesn’t say it.
The saddest thing about this whole debacle is it’s got a decent amount of the support at each other’s throats, and most of it over silly little things. So many people assume the worst motivations are behind everything. The benefit of the doubt is never given. People talk to others on their own “side” offline, which helps reinforce hardened viewpoints, then shout at the other side on social media. Both sides utterly adamant they’re in the right. Both sides convinced the other side is undemocratic.
All sense of perspective has gone.
It takes 2 to Tango. What the Trust Board have proposed doing is long overdue. This situation has gone on for a number of years now and its time it was fixed once and for all. You cannot have a situation in which the owners of the Club,, the Supporters Trust have NO control of what they OWN.
When yo look at other fan owned Clubs, they have Rules of Governance in place, Stirling Albion does NOT. That is why this situation has been allowed to develop. If the Trust Board had done this years ago, then this situation would NOT have happened.
Hopefully once the present Club Board is removed and replaced with the interim Board then hopefully we can move forward to a more Democratic Club, with Directors elected by the members instead of present when we have a self perpetualating clique running the Club with no regard to the owners.
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9 minutes ago, betting competition said:
I do hope Darren Young does a good job like he did at Albion Rovers, wasn't following what he did at East Fife but he did get sacked after 4 years. Stirling Albion seem to have issues at Board level going with the thread "A Message to All Stirling Albion Trust Members" which is a shame as I was hoping it would be successful being fan owned. I do want to see Aberdeen in the future go the same way but maybe the German model is the one to follow.
The problem is not the Club being fan owned but the people in the Club Board who seem to think they own the Club and ignore the owners of the Club The Supporters Trust. That`s the problem hopefully once the Trust Board gets rid of these people then the Club can improve.
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21 minutes ago, #GSC said:
Centre Half ? What’s up wi the ones there already ?
Well still reckon we need at least 1 Centre Half as backup in case of injuries.
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On 16/07/2022 at 15:53, BinoBalls said:
A fair summation and I appreciate the perspective.
I’m just not sure we need or want a “hardhead” to be the person with the most power / responsibility in the framework of a fan-owned club.
I also, ironically, worry his “nice-guy” determination to be friendly and loyal to those close to him is partly what led to him making strange managerial decisions in the past — such as:* hiring a 27 year old Greig McDonald as first team manager (quote: “he’s someone I see as having a great future in the game”). I remember chatting to former player Graeme Donald and he said he was dumbfounded at the move… he said McDonald was a nice guy but “never” manager material.
* renewing the contact of Stuart McLaren when almost the entire support felt we were getting worse, only to have to bin him soon into the next campaign.
* renewing the contract of Kevin Rutkiewicz during a season we finished outside the playoffs despite having Andy Ryan up front, only to have to bin him soon into the next campaign.
I’m of course speaking with hindsight and I’m trying to be fair, but I just don’t think he’s the best person we could possibly find to lead the club. I watched Ben’s “behind the scenes” video of what went on during a match. I am absolutely sure Stuart Brown tries his best and does all sorts of things for the club but he’s also — and I mean this politely — an old man. Watching him hesitantly punching the attendance figures into a computer was like watching someone who had only just been shown a keyboard. Again I don’t mean that as any disrespect but it doesn’t exactly inspire confidence that we have a dynamic team behind the scenes.
I also question why he occasionally sends out official club tweets from his personal Twitter account, and why he declared that he was working on his succession plan, as though he alone could anoint the new King. You’ll assure me he’s not arrogant but these are alarming behaviours.
So yes — I accept he is a nice guy at heart and he’s taken a lot of flak and he’s done his absolute best for pretty much no reward. And I’m grateful for all of that. But his judgement is questionable and stubbornness is seldom a desirable trait in a leader. I think his time has come to an end and I think we should look forward now.
Lets hope so but don`t count your chickens yet.
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On 15/07/2022 at 22:22, Binos said:
This situation will repeat if stuart brown stays in post
It is already doing so, it is repeating now from 4 years ago
The trust board went at that time
Stuart said he would go but didn't
He is the common denominator
Agree Stuart Brown is the problem, as long as he remains in power the problem will NOT go away. Lets hope the Trust Members understand that, the sooner he is gone then their is a chance of peace breaking out if not.
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1 hour ago, #GSC said:
There’s no centre mids, and they’ve been playing with a centre half and two right mids as centre halves. Think that’s where he needs to be signing players for. The bench isn’t strong enough, the last couple of games it’s been full of u20’s
Tend to agree Centre Half and Midfield is where we need help the most.
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1 hour ago, WC Boggs said:
I always find it fascinating that you repeatedly use caps for emphasis when typing the word OWNERS. Is that to make yourself feel more important? Or to rub it in how little importance you attach to any mere ordinary member? You revel in seeing the Club dragged through the gutter, based on half truths fed by the Trust board. Half truth expanded into full on allegations by their supporters and chucked around social media like confetti. Half truths that turn into outright lies. Lies like "money was removed from the club to an account that has nothing to do with the club." The social media coward's way of implying fraud or embezzlement hoping to further trash the club's reputation. Why? Why claim money was spent illicitly with no evidence it was ever spent.? Why claim the account money was lodged in, had nothing to do with the club, when they knew the club controlled it and the account originated from the former owners of the club?
WHY??? Because the trust board feeds half truths with bugger all concern what ends up flying around social media or ultimately in the press. WHY??? Because they think it helps justify a coup d' etat and to hell with the reputation damage. It's got so out of hand and so normalized for these trust board fed malcontents, that you've even got Redwatch suggesting the SPFL investigate his own club. Why? Because he heard Elgin were under investigation for allegedly fielding an ineligible player. The insanity of that doesn't even cross his mind. Any excuse to trash Stirling Albion in public and to hell with the damage. How poisonous against your own club do you have to be to suggest shit like that? How fucked up do you have to be to revel in it?
As for you rhilston. Don't under rate the achievements of just 2 of you. You've kicked off a civil war. A coup d' etat for executive power by a Trust board that has no constitutional right to executive powers. A trash the club's reputation campaign that you personally have revelled in and contributed to. Last, a final forced confrontation between the membership and the men who binned democracy. Don't be shy, step up on July 26th and take a bow for all you set in motion.
Well I am a shareholder as well as a member of the Trust, so I am an owner as well but don`t have any many shares as the Supporters Trust. Money ? what are you talking about man, Never mentioned Money must be confused and mixing me up with someone else posting on here. Your poor brain has got the facts confused like most of the posts you regularly post on here full of INACCURACIES.
Didn`t kick off any Civil War so you claim, I`m quite sure the Club Board have done more than enough by themselves to point the blame to 2 Trust Members who are concerned the way this Club is being run. Maybe if the Club Board had screwed the nut and talked to the OWNERS instead of refusing to meet them and trying unsuccessfully to get rid of them by their gang of 74, then they might have not been in this situation NOW. ISN`T THAT A FACT.
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15 hours ago, TheWestStand said:
I see there upgrading the floodlight...
Yes think they had too due to problems in the past with the floodlights. Upgrading to LED bulbs. Should give a better light and are cheaper to run so I understand.
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3 hours ago, RateofKnots said:
I mean, he is right, the reason the club board have done this is a direct consequence of your resolutions.
Have to correct you on this, but its nothing to do with my resolution. Before my resolution was received by the Trust Board, 2 Club Directors Stuart Brown and John Daily both refused to meet with the Trust Board at a pre arranged meeting to discuss things. Their has been rumblings between both Boards for a couple of years. now. I wont go into the history but its well documented and well known to most Albion fans.
What then followed was an attempt by the Club Board with help from the gang of 74 (Friends of the Club Board who decided to join the Trust on mass to influence the voting at the AGM, despite many of them not being previous members of the Trust) solution signed by every member of the Club Board.
After it was discovered by the Trust some issues with voting by one individual linked to the Club Board, I`m sure most Albion fans know who I am talking about. The Trust cancelled the AGM and reported the matter to the Police.
That lead to the gang of 74 putting forward their own resolution to remove the ENTIRE Trust Board without a reason being given. This resolution was rejected by the Trust Board as it did not comply with the rules laid down in the Trust Constitution.
A resolution signed by all the Club Board. I could go on and on with other facts but I feel I would bore you.
So as I have already stated it was not my resolution was kicked this. I hope I have not bored you with the facts its long and messy.
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4 hours ago, WC Boggs said:
This situation and entire chain of events was kicked off by YOU, not the, club board.
The 73 members you dismiss as a gang, has virtually every volunteer and employee of the club within it, you stupid man.
Everybody from the ladies who work the turnstiles, the hospitality team, through to the club doctor has signed up .
The Trust board has had to be forced by the membership to hold a vote, to counter an attempted coup led by them and a handful of shareholders. You might see Lions when you look at Kim Jong Thompson, Emslie, Allardyce and the rest of them. I just see DINNER.
Once again its NOT the Club Boards fault
When are you going to realise that this situation is the Club Boards doing, if you ignore the OWNERS of the Club isn`t obvious that they are going to take action you silly man.
As for the gang of 73, many of whom have shown no interest in joining the Trust over the years they suddenly develop an interest to join just when they friends on the Club Board are in trouble. They made a mess of the last resolution they put forward wanting to get rid of the Trust Board without any reasons being given and now they try to play the Democracy card. Lets hope the other Trust members see it for what it is an attempt by the clique to cling onto power no matter what the cost to the Club.
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3 hours ago, AlbionMan said:
i don't think that Active Stirling are the best landlords arounds, but I'm not sure that Ken Lewandowski getting the bum's rush over 4 years ago was the reason for the bar's closure.
The Forthbank rumour mill is rife and doubtless individuals will have their own pet theory regarding the loss of the bar.
Agree at times I wonder if Active Stirling want a semi pro football team in Stirling at times. They seem to me more concerned at getting more money from Forthbank but seem reluctant to spend money on maintaining the ground.
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2 hours ago, Red Watch said:
Indeed they do - they are usually appointed without any reference to shareholders including the majority shareholder viz the Trust. Meantime, directors remain in situ for long periods and do not submit themselves for re-election
I too have misgivings about ousting directors en masse and the consequences of such action, but it is all too clear that the Trust has tried to engage with the Club Board over a range of issues but met with silence or a refusal to meet to sort problems out. What else is the Trust Board to do?
I see that the SPFL has just announced that it is requiring Elgin City FC to attend a disciplinary hearing in two days time over the alleged fielding of an ineligible player in Saturday's game against Ayr United. Perhaps the SPFLs time would be better deployed satisfying itself that Stirling Albion is being run in accordance with its high standards. The SPFL might benefit from contacting the Trust Board for feedback in that respect.
Spot on any group of Directors who refuse to talk to the owners and ignore them deserve to be kick out. The future of this Club is at stake, we cannot go on in the present manner. It has to stop.
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2 hours ago, càirdeas said:
I have been an Albion supporter for over 50 years and apart from periods for work commitments I have followed the team home and away and I am lucky enough to have some tremendous memories to look back on.
It is hard to believe what is happening to the club we all support, it is extremely dangerous to the long term security and existence of our Club.
If we analyse this more in a business way then there is not a business in the land that would carry on this way and risk the consequences of these actions by looking to remove the whole operational team like this. I have many years of experience leading and managing many challenging organisations and believe me what is happening here should just not be happening in this way. Directors can come and go, it happens all the time but all organisations must maintain a level of consistency. The most worrying aspect with all of this is that the directors do so much more for our club, they are the operators, managers and supervisors of the business as well as supporters like you and I. It is clear removing them all would simply mean the day to day, weekly and monthly operational tasks of the business stop.
Anyone who is naive enough to assume that a new team can just walk in and take over are clearly being unrealistic ( especially when it is not clear who is waiting in the wings to take over ). It’s a business risk that is not worth taking.
I have been involved in a sale / take over of a business three times and why do you think in the majority of cases the directors / management team are encouraged to stay on?
It is clear there are problems that must be sorted but in all honesty this approach is not the way, it will only lead to a disastrous outcome. Very worrying. The least all Albion Supporters deserve whether a trust member or not, is to get a full, frank and honest understanding of the concerns, problems and motives behind what is going on.
In truth very few of us know the full facts. Do we?
This situation is off the present Clubs Board making. These directors have ignored the Supporters Trust for far too long and its time that they were removed. Any group of Directors who refuse to communicate and talk to the owners of the Club the Supporters Trust need to be removed.
Not only that but they have chosen a path to try and frustrate the Trust by their gang of supporters. the gang of 73 who have supported this attempt by them to stay in power no matter the consequences to the Club. As I said the sooner this clique is removed the better for the continued future of the Club.
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Just received an E Mail from the Trust, informing me and other Trust members of a Special General Meeting on Tuesday 26th July at 7.00pm at the Forth Valley College Drip Road Campus, Stirling.
The Trust Board have received the following Resolution signed by 73 members.
1. That the members notice from the Society to the Directors of Stirling Albion Football and Athletic Club Limited (The Company) dated 4th June 2022 namely being a notice requiring the Company to convene a general meeting for the purpose of considering and if thought fit . for the passing of the resolution for the removal of John Stuart Brown, Lorri Diana Graham and Colin Michael Rowley as Directors of the Company.
The removal of the said Directors would be contrary to the best interests of the Company. The members of the Society appending their signatures to this resolution are materially concerned that no mandate from the members of the Society has been obtained to seek a general meeting of the Company and/or that no mandate from the members of the Society has been obtained to seek the removal of the aforementioned Directors of the Company.
Their you have it the gang of 73 are at it again. This group of Directors are once again at it, trying to cling onto power backed by their cronies. Lets hope the Trust members tell them GTF.
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1 hour ago, WC Boggs said:
The club board did NOT put forward that resolution to remove the Trust board. It was not them who put their names to the resolution lodged with Trust lawyers. That was two female members who did that supposedly giving insufficient reason. The club board are getting the blame, because the Trust board claimed their club board incited it without giving a shred of evidence in support of that claim.
Tell you what here's a public challenge to the Trust board. You claim the Club board were responsible for the resolution to remove you. Provide solid evidence to prove that. C,mon let's have it? Gauntlet thrown down.
Really do you think we all came up the Forth in a Banana boat AYE RIGHT. The 2 females members clearly were the stooges. The whole Club Board backed their resolutions. Indeed Stuart Brown stated it was a tit for tat at the EGM of the Shareholders.
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9 minutes ago, MrBeeno said:
Yes not only that they then tried to remove all the Trust Board without a reason being given which was against the Trust Rules. Signed by I may add all the present Club Board. Plus remember that they are still at it with a resolution to have a vote of members in regard to removing the present Club Board. Clearly desperate to cling onto power no matter the cost to the Club. And they call themselves fans
The sooner they are removed the better imo. We will then have a Club Board which is accountable.
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3 hours ago, gmca said:
Cheers, appreciate the reply. It does make sense that the Trust Board, as voted for by the members (I assume) are empowered to make decisions on behalf of the members.
If I'm reading this correctly, the members of the Trust will eventually be given the right to vote on who becomes Club Board appointees. Given that the make up of the Club Board will determine the future direction of Stirling Albion, that's good to know that all interested parties have a say.
What I can't get my head round is why there needs to be anything done before the members and shareholders have that vote. Perhaps someone would be good enough to explain that.
I would have liked to have seen an open forum where the issues that have been causing problems could be aired, and anyone interested in being on the Club Board could put forward their reasons for doing so. That may have helped push the reset button, though, reading between the lines, things have probably gone beyond that point.
I'm really not sure removing the 3 directors is going to solve the problems, but time will tell
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Correct once the dust settles and the Trust Board are allowed to make changes, in the way the Club Directors are elected to the Club Board then hopefully this will prevent a situation like this developing again.
Regarding the open forum ideally that would have been the case but too much has happened to allow this too take place. Again once the changes are made to elect Club Board Directors ie they will have to stand down once their term is up and reapply to be elected.
Removing the present 3 Club Directors is the only way forward. Hopefully once the dust settles, we can get back to talking about what the Club does on the park rather than what goes on off the park.
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28 minutes ago, gmca said:
I'm probably being naive here, but isn't the Supporters Trust the main shareholder? On that basis, why aren't the members of the Trust allowed to attend and vote?
The Supporters Trust as a body are the Shareholders not the members. The shares are owned by the Trust and as such only the Trust Board are allowed to vote on behalf of the Trust on this matter.
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Just now, WC Boggs said:
Give your pish a rest. I'm talking about those to follow after those 3 get installed.
That’s up to the members.
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54 minutes ago, WC Boggs said:
Indeed and why are they not naming the people the 3 stooges intend to appoint once they're in?
Already have named the 3 people taking over from the 3 to be removed.
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1 hour ago, BB_Bino said:
Why is Grant Morrice name not on the list?
Not a Director of the Club as listed in Companies House.
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Just received an e mail from the Club,
Special General Meeting of the Shareholders Called for Wednesday 3 August at 6pm Golden Lion Hotel, Stirling
3 resolutions on the table to remove the following Directors Stuart Brown, Lorri Graham and Colin Rowley.
That new Directors are appointed as Directors with immediate effect.
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13 minutes ago, WC Boggs said:
Yet that is not the plan put forward to us by the Trust board. The plan is to remove the club board, then hold a vote to elect an interim board, who will then APPOINT who they please to it with no elections mentioned in the process. Present club board members afforded no opportunity to stand in either event under information released up to this point.
Why an interim board at all? Since the primary goal of all this is to remove the present club board, why is the planned final composition of the board to be appointed, wrapped up in concealment? Your interpretation of "democracy" provides no membership vote on the removal of the club board, or any opportunity for them to defend themselves. As such this is not a democratic process, but a coup of the unknown over the known and entirely dissembling.
Really it just shows how desperate the Club Board are to cling onto power. They have ignored the Trust Board and refused to talk to them, is it any wonder the Trust Board are finally taking action to remove this self-perpetuating clique.
Once again they are trying to disrupt the Trust with more actions to try and cling onto power. Democracy its a bit rich coming from them.
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15 hours ago, AlbionMan said:
It goes without saying that the present situation perhaps should have been anticipated at the time of the take over and controls put in place then, but that ship has sailed.
Directors of the Trust are elected for three years after which they may offer themselves for re-election.
Agree I don`t suppose they would have envisaged a situation like we have at present having a Club Board who appear unaccountable to anyone but themselves.
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A Message to All Stirling Albion Trust Members
in Scottish League 2 General Chatter
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Well I was talking about the Supporters Trust as the BIGGEST SHAREHOLDER as the owners. Whilst I do have a small holding of Shares nothing like the Trust tbf, so I am not the owners of the Club.
As the Trust Board have stated it will take time to implement plans to make this Club MORE accountable to its Members, not like at present with Stuart Browns clique.