Diamonds are Forever

Surely the fact that they are going to drop down the leagues to their natural level should be enough 'revenge'? I don't see why you have to go that extra bit and say you would be happy if they went to the wall (not you personally, just all the bitter fans in general).

How did Killie, Rangers, Celtic etc all manage to build up tens of millions of pounds of debt then? Maybe they are now spending within their means, but they didn't in the past (just like Livi), cheating surely? How many Scottish clubs are in the black then? I don't have a clue but would guess you could count them on one/two hands easily. By the looks of that post by the Morton fan, their situation is very similar to ours. We are spending far more than we earn, so where do you draw the line, when is it cheating to spend more than you earn and when is it not?

Why hold that against Livi? They didn't brag about being the way forward for Scottish clubs, as far as I know. Surely it is Kevin McCarra you should have the dislike of, and justifiably, a certain smugness?

Aside from all bickering I'd just like to wish Livi all the best and hope they get things sorted. Livi have been around since I started watching football, more or less, so I have just as many memories of them as St Mirren, Falkirk, Hamilton and most other clubs that have spent plenty time in the lower leagues in the past 10-15 years. It's become a bit of a cliche for Airdrie fans to say 'I know how it feels' etc, but it is still true, and it is a horrible feeling. Maybe they did cheat, spend money they didn't have, and to be honest most folk knew it would end in tears, just like Gretna, but that's still not the fault of the fans. The fans who don't bother supporting them anymore don't deserve a football club but the ones left are obviously loyal passionate fans. I think it's a bit pathetic to want them to lose their team.

How is it cheating? The past few years we have spent more on wages than we have received through turnover, but the Ballantynes have put money into the club to make sure we don't go into debt. So are we cheating too? Almost every club spends more than they earn, which is why virtually every side in Scotland is in debt, so should every club in debt should just be kicked out the league?

I think your question is answered below

Girvan isn't that bad, just full of old people really, more of a retirement town than anything. The worst places have to be anywhere in the east end of Glasgow, Easterhouse etc. Ayrshire varies quite a bit, some places are really nice and some like Cumnock and Auchinleck, are pretty awful. I'm originally from Prestwick which itself has good and bad bits. Places in North Ayrshire like Saltcoats and Stevenston are horrific, now that I've given up playing football I hope to never have to visit these places again. The place I hate the most though is Paisley, it's not the worst looking (although don't get me wrong, it's a s**thole ), but the people there just seem like complete cocks.

The actual score in games in the set doesn't really make a difference. You still only get one set for it, and as HB said, players often just give up at about 4-0 down (when Murray was a lot less fit he used to do quite a bit I think), then they can start to concentrate on the next set. Whereas if you win 7-6 in the first set, it's a huge blow for your opponent and they will still be rattled at the start of the next set. Anyway, disappointing that he lost, but glimpses of his best Tennis, he just needs to be more consistant. If he could get a consistant serve, he would be top 5 no bother IMO.

Yip, and all the coverage made it almost unacceptable to suggest it was the parents (as shown by some comments on this board).

Fantastic post Indeed it is, well I'm not annoyed at them as such as they believe what they are doing will help them, and good luck to them, but I'm annoyed at the Press for giving them so much coverage. I remember thinking after only a few days this had an inproportionate amount of coverage. And, like it or not, it's because it's a glamorous story. For example, there are British soldiers getting killed abroad all the time it seems, but that's now just a wee side issue because we would rather - to quote RB - "flog a dead horse". As people have said here many, many times, if they were black, lower class, unemployed parents who had gone on a cheap package holiday who had lost their child, they would be slaughtered for it. And while I in no way think the parents killed her, what's wrong with questioning their story ? There are no witnesses (as far as I'm aware), and no real suspects, they are 2 of the very few people they know were in that area when she went missing and their stories don't appear to match exactly, so why aren't people allowed to question them ? Seems common sense to me. Infact if you weren't to at the very least question them the police wouldn't be doing their job properly. They have to remove all emotion from the situation, and actually look at the facts. You can't just say "Oh well, they are her Parents, they couldn't possibly have done anything", and just dismiss them. Although anyone who says that they did it for certain, without any proof, is out of order.

Yeah I've said that a few times on this thread, and it is undoubtedly true, but then if you sit and do nothing you aren't going to find her either. So what do you do ? I certainly don't know Exactly, I don't see what they are gaining from staying there. If they are staying there until they find her then they will be there for a very long time. Let's be honest, the chances of Maddy being alive are incredibly tiny, they should try to get over it and concentrate on giving their kids the best life they can have. I understand this is far easier said than done, but they will have to do it sooner or later. I wouldn't have put it so bluntly but I can't disagree with you. What got me angry the other day was when I heard on the news that Maddy's mum, forget her name, said the publicity was getting tiring I mean, WTF. If you don't want publicity don't go on a publibity campaign to the USA, don't give press conferences every few days, and don't bloody visit the Pope !! There will be thousands of parents who have lost children, and the best they probably got was a few lines in the local paper. She gets around a million pounds and people searching the world over for her girl, and she f**king moans !

That's as good a reason as any

Have to say thanks as I only went on those Horses because you seemed pretty sure they would win, and I made a - small - profit. So cheers

All got chances but I never do just a treble on Horses (probably explains while I never win big) as if 2 win and one fucks up I am pissed off. I will probably put 3 singles and maybe a small treble on.

Don't like being so cynical (is that how you spell it ?? ) but the amount of coverage given to this is completely out of proportion and it's simply because it guarantees millions of viewers for the News channels. It's in Sky's interests to virtually declare this guy guilty as it's more of a story. As others have said earlier also the people giving huge donations are getting free publicity out of it, and it's sickening IMO. When a soldier dies in Iraq why isn't it headline news for 2 weeks ? Is their life not as important as this wee girl's ? Also why is no-one critisising the Parents ? Their actions were completely irresponsible and while it is obviously a distressing time for them they were partly to blame.

Yip, I think it's very strange that the Parents haven't been taken as suspects. The Parent's are the only people who they know were around the kids all day, so until they find anyone else who was with the children, surely they are the prime suspects. The problem is if the Police declared them as suspects they know the media would be on their back and they would get slaughtered for being so sad.

Won £50 from the Rugby League tonight thanks to a mistake from the Coral Live Betting (at least I think it was). Hull KR were 4 points infront and were evens to win with a +4 handicap. Thought I might be missing something but thankfully I put £50 on them. Ended up winning by 22-20

But they don't actually deduct ranking points off you if you don't do as well, you just don't gain as many ? (Sorry if I seem pretty stupid here, never really knew anything about tennis rankings )

Say for example Federer only entered the 4 grand slams and won all 4. Then the next season he only entered the 4 again, and won 3. Does that mean he would be minus points for the season ?

What's that about ? Does that mean if he loses the final he will have lost ranking points overall for the tournament i.e he would have been better staying at home ?

Would tip Murray to win this. Karlovic has a big serve but f**k all else and Murray having such a good return, should cope. Don't quote me on that though (unless I am right of course ).

Just found the book I had to do for Higher English - The Inheritors by William Golding. I had a flick through it and reminded me of how unbelievably hard it was to read. If any of you want a challenge try and read it - it's like a different language. If you don't give up after the first chapter you deserve a medal. Although it's very clever once you realise what is going on

Yet to be confirmed. But it will almost certainly be Monday morning our time, and evening their time. Which is good because if it was played during the day then Nadal would already have an advantage with the heat.

I watched the match this morning, the first time I have seen him play for a while. Looks a much improved player, better shot selection and also a lot fitter. Also doesn't take tantrums as much anymore, although watching him shout abuse at his coach was quite funny. Doubt he will beat Nadal but I have no doubt he will win a Grand Slam in the future.