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  1. nonleaguescotland.org.uk has been updated with the many changes over the summer. Please let me know if there are any corrections required. Thank you to everyone who contributes to and uses the site.
  2. nonleaguescotland.org.uk has been updated with the many changes over the summer. Please let me know if there are any corrections required. Thank you to everyone who contributes to and uses the site.
  3. So how would such a proposal look with clubs in their current leagues? Superleague (16): (same teams as now) North (13): Arbroath Vics, Blairgowrie, Brechin Vics, Coupar Angus, Downfield, Dundee North End, Dundee Violet, East Craigie, Forfar Albion, Forfar West End, Kirriemuir Thistle, Lochee Harp, Tayport Central (15): Crossgates Primrose, Glenrothes, Kennoway Star Hearts, Kinnoull, Kirkcaldy YM, Lochgelly Albert, Lochore Welfare, Luncarty, Newburgh, Oakley United, Rosyth, Sauchie, Scone Thistle, St Andrews United, Thornton Hibs South (16): Armadale Thistle, Arniston Rangers, Bathgate Thistle, Blackburn United, Craigroyston, Dalkeith Thistle, Dunbar United, Easthouses Lily, Edinburgh United, Haddington Athletic, Livingston United, Pumpherston, Stoneyburn, Tranent, West Calder United, Whitburn 3 league winners go up, with 3 relegated from Superleague. (I suppose there could be an opening for a 4-team play-off between 4th bottom of the Superleague and the 3 runners-up, if desired.) Couple of points. The North and Central leagues are split 15 and 13 respectively, but even numbers would probably be preferable so one of the Perthshire teams may need to head to the North. Also, the South is already at 16 teams, so any additions from relegated Superleague teams or a return for Harthill Royal would mean some teams might need to head to the Central Division. The geographical divide of the current North/South regional leagues runs between Lochore and Lochgelly and I can understand if that seems unfair to those clubs, but the new proposal seems to shift that problem elsewhere. There are now two geographical divides, one running through Perthshire and one along the Forth. Teams along these divides could find themselves moving between leagues to keep numbers consistent and suddenly in a different league from their near neighbours. Clubs would need to be flexible about what league they were expected to play in. The new proposal increases the number of teams relegated from the Superleague (with or without a playoff), so I would think that some Superleague teams might be against change for this reason. However, all the teams currently playing in the North or South Leagues will effectively be promoted from tier 3 to tier 2 so will see a benefit to being only one promotion away from the Superleague. I suppose it all comes down to opportunity versus geography. The current setup has plenty of opportunity for teams to move up but at the cost of increased travel. If you want to decrease the travel then you also decrease the opportunity to go up. Clubs would need to decide what matters most to them. Unfortunately there is no solution that will keep everybody happy.
  4. I was there a couple of weeks ago. There were signs referring to a World of Football facility.
  5. I would think the Lowland League clubs would rightly object to the formation of an East and West league split if there were clubs joining it who did not have a licence. To form two workable leagues you would need 32 licensed clubs. There are currently 22 across the Lowland catchment area with a few clubs looking to gain a licence soon. I think 32 is attainable with some form of encouragement. This is where I think the ‘commitment to the pyramid’ requirement is confusing. It was rushed in when Linlithgow Rose and Banks O’Dee were pursuing a licence so it does, on the face of it, look like a clause to discourage more Junior involvement. I would think if an East and West league split was desired then clarification would be helpful. I think if the SFA stated that clubs in the Juniors could obtain a licence, play in the Scottish Cup but remain in the Juniors then you might get more takers. The ‘commitment to the pyramid’ would be that as soon as there are 32 licensed clubs across the Lowland area then they all have to join it or they lose the licence. This is all on the assumption that the SFA/SPFL/SLFL would countenance another league. However, it does seem logical to me based on the number of teams across the Lowland area compared to the Highland area to have a North/East/West split at tier 5.
  6. I posted this last year when the topic came up to give you an idea of what to expect based on last season's final positions. Super Premier Auchinleck Talbot, Hurlford United, Irvine Meadow, Glenafton Athletic, Petershill, Beith Juniors, Troon, Kilbirnie Ladeside, Arthurlie, Shotts Bon Accord, Cumnock Juniors, Clydebank, Pollok, Shettleston, Kirkintilloch Rob Roy, Cumbernauld United Super 1st Rutherglen Glencairn, Maybole Juniors, Kilsyth Rangers, Greenock Juniors, Largs Thistle, Yoker Athletic, Irvine Victoria, Neilston Juniors, Ardeer Thistle, Thorniewood United, Ardrossan Winton Rovers, Kilwinning Rangers, Darvel Juniors, Blantyre Victoria, Bellshill Athletic, Maryhill East Dunipace, Carluke Rovers, Lesmahagow Juniors, Larkhall Thistle, Wishaw Juniors, Lanark United, Forth Wanderers, Royal Albert, Newmains United, Cambuslang Rangers, East Kilbride Thistle, Vale of Clyde, Ashfield, Rossvale, St. Roch's, Gartcairn West Whitletts Victoria, Lugar Boswell Thistle, Kello Rovers, Saltcoats Victoria, Annbank United, Dalry Thistle, Craigmark Burntonians, Girvan, Muirkirk Juniors, Renfrew, Johnstone Burgh, Vale of Leven, Port Glasgow Juniors, St. Anthony's, Benburb, Glasgow Perthshire The geographic divide is between Glasgow Perthshire and Ashfield (meaning they would be in separate leagues despite being so close) Or if you prefer: North Dunipace, Gartcairn, Newmains United, Wishaw Juniors, Renfrew, Vale of Clyde, St. Anthony's, Benburb, Ashfield, Rossvale, Johnstone Burgh, St. Roch's, Glasgow Perthshire, Cambuslang Rangers, Port Glasgow Juniors, Vale of Leven South Whitletts Victoria, Lugar Boswell Thistle, Kello Rovers, Saltcoats Victoria, Annbank United, Dalry Thistle, Craigmark Burntonians, Girvan, Muirkirk Juniors, Royal Albert, Larkhall Thistle, Lanark United, Carluke Rovers, Lesmahagow Juniors, Forth Wanderers, East Kilbride Thistle The divide here is between Wishaw and East Kilbride
  7. nonleaguescotland.org.uk/bellshill.htm
  8. If a club badge is available then could I be sent a copy to add to this page - nonleaguescotland.org.uk/royalalbert.htm Royal Albert and Whitehills are the only two clubs that I don't have a badge for. Thanks in advance.
  9. Here's how it could look based current standings: Super Premier Auchinleck Talbot, Hurlford United, Irvine Meadow, Glenafton Athletic, Petershill, Beith Juniors, Troon, Kilbirnie Ladeside, Arthurlie, Shotts Bon Accord, Cumnock Juniors, Clydebank, Pollok, Shettleston, Kirkintilloch Rob Roy, Cumbernauld United Super 1st Rutherglen Glencairn, Maybole Juniors, Kilsyth Rangers, Greenock Juniors, Largs Thistle, Yoker Athletic, Irvine Victoria, Neilston Juniors, Ardeer Thistle, Thorniewood United, Ardrossan Winton Rovers, Kilwinning Rangers, Darvel Juniors, Blantyre Victoria, Bellshill Athletic, Maryhill East Dunipace, Carluke Rovers, Lesmahagow Juniors, Larkhall Thistle, Wishaw Juniors, Lanark United, Forth Wanderers, Royal Albert, Newmains United, Cambuslang Rangers, East Kilbride Thistle, Vale of Clyde, Ashfield, Rossvale, St. Roch's, Gartcairn West Whitletts Victoria, Lugar Boswell Thistle, Kello Rovers, Saltcoats Victoria, Annbank United, Dalry Thistle, Craigmark Burntonians, Girvan, Muirkirk Juniors, Renfrew, Johnstone Burgh, Vale of Leven, Port Glasgow Juniors, St. Anthony's, Benburb, Glasgow Perthshire The geographic divide is between Glasgow Perthshire and Ashfield (meaning they would be in separate leagues despite being so close) Or if you prefer: North Dunipace, Gartcairn, Newmains United, Wishaw Juniors, Renfrew, Vale of Clyde, St. Anthony's, Benburb, Ashfield, Rossvale, Johnstone Burgh, St. Roch's, Glasgow Perthshire, Cambuslang Rangers, Port Glasgow Juniors, Vale of Leven South Whitletts Victoria, Lugar Boswell Thistle, Kello Rovers, Saltcoats Victoria, Annbank United, Dalry Thistle, Craigmark Burntonians, Girvan, Muirkirk Juniors, Royal Albert, Larkhall Thistle, Lanark United, Carluke Rovers, Lesmahagow Juniors, Forth Wanderers, East Kilbride Thistle The divide here is between Wishaw and East Kilbride
  10. The SPFL clubs insisted on a two league solution at tier 5 hence the Highland/Lowland split. The Juniors are split into three. This for me seems to be the main area of concern for Junior teams. The Juniors are stubborn for refusing to join, but surely it is also fair to say the SPFL clubs are stubborn for insisting on a Highland/Lowland split that is grossly unbalanced in terms of population and teams.
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