Saint Paddy

Neil, before Zod?

Not gonna happen. But it feels like people are trying to manifest this, when dabs v dons is the obvious comedy choice for us all.

Hahaha... no! So far of a settled team playing with any discernable style, it almost impossible to predict match by match, other than we won't score a lot of goals, and shouldn't concede a lot of goals. 4 - 0 dundee then.

My maths has it as 1 pen for push, 1 pen for handball. By that reckoning Dundee can have a free pen in any game against Aberdeen next season.... oh!

Wasn't this the same criteria for all clubs those seasons...? Da funk is your point?

No. I haven't. Until a few weeks ago literally no one in a position of authority gave any thought to fans feelings etc. Stan is steadying the ship, but with new owners on the immediate horizon, I'm extremely doubtful an email from me would make a difference at this time. But according to you, its binary. So I should just give. Or discuss here if there is enough sentiment and application to do.... something? Or not... I'm also quite lazy.

Am.... am I being chastised for offering an opinion on football in a football forum?

No one at my club give much of a toss about supporters, unfortunately

I don't agree... if you need pixel-fine margins, it's not worth measuring. Go with the human decision, whether right or wrong. Retrospectively use them in ref and AR assessments if you must... promote those that are calling them mostly correct. Re train those that are getting it wrong. Football used to be, for me anyway, about the explosive celebration of a goal. That's been robbed from all of us. Every. Single. Goal. now is sullied with a "ah, wait for the restart" or "is this going to count" It's shite, and I'm sick of it.

If it needs micro-measured, any advantage is negligible, so go with on field decision. Is that unreasonable?

The laws are there. If Assistant Ref deems it too close to call offside, then it should be waved on. If AR deems it offside, but makes an error? Cest la vie. We grumble for a minute, but get on with game. Instead of watching someone with finger in their ear for two minutes, while a jobsworth with laser gets a hard on cos someone's bootlace is beyond the shoulder of a defender. Al the while no one knows what's happening. It can get in the bin.

Not sure how to answer that. There are a couple of ways. 1. The spirit of the law. Offside was implemented to prevent goal hanging. Being half a cm offside doesn't necessarily give an illegal advantage. Subjective. 2. Obviously clear to the AR, who is tasked with flagging the infringement. If (s)he doesn't see it as obvious, on field decision. obvious caveat being if a player was in a position that the AR missed, for eg 20 yards ahead of play, and gained an advantage, then if we must persist with this farce that is VAR, that's an opportunity to use it. This type of scenario is exceptionally rare, tho. 3. Let refs ref, players play,and spectators enjoy the moment. Marginal decisions (right or wrong) should be accepted.

This is why we have VAR Op was wrong... rg pointed out he was wrong. You've said he wasn't very wrong... VAR says "pelanty rangers"

No We go with the on field decision. If a discrepancy is found in ten secs/20 secs/45 secs whatever metric is agreed, play is suspended until the whole phase is analysed. A clear and obvious error should be just that... clear and obvious. If it requires a meticulous check, then that's not it. Off side "should" be if a player is obviously clear of the last defender. If you need lazers to define who is where... go with on field decision. If my team score, but midfielder has pulled a defender away from the striker, and the ref missed it, if VAR can't see that in 15 secs.... f**k it, go with on field decision. But if its so obvious and they spot it in practically real time, free out... we move on. The practical application of VAR isn't really the problem, it's the over analysis of objectively narrow margins, or subjectively ambiguous decisions. Refs are paralysed with fear, its bullshit. Get rid, asap.

Jostling = using strength of frame to win possesion, not being bullied away from the ball etc. What Gordon did was wrap a hand around strikers face, then grab his shoulders to prevent him getting off the ground. Either of these two actions is a penalty, and not jostling. Players hold on to arms & jersies to keep track of where their opponents are. When it turns into preventing them moving towards the ball or space, it turns into a Foul. These are the "subjective" ones that seem to favour certain teams. What happened on Sunday wasn't subjective, it was stupid.