SouthLanarkshireWhite

That is actually quite sad that you felt the need to do that amount of either back cataloguing or that you have been saving those posts somewhere for this day potentially arriving.

Club website says......................... Annan Athletic v Clyde Sat, 25th Feb 2017 12:42pm Result and report to follow... ..... No game preview, and no news from the game at 7.15 pm Just as well it's not that important

I'm sure our club website will be 1st with the scoop! oh , ok maybe not....... peaso so for player coach as the cheap option

Once we get an answer to that question we can then move onto who I am a disciple of? Disciple 1. one of the 12 personal followers of Christ. 2. one of the 70 followers sent forth by Christ. Luke 10:1. 3. any other professed follower of Christ in His lifetime. 2. any follower of Christ. 3. (initial capital letter) a member of the Disciples of Christ. 4. a person who is a pupil or an adherent of the doctrines of another; follower: 5. A member of the 1970's Ferguslie Park street gang known as The Disciple - A nasty bunch they were.......

I can't wait to see the reply. so take the option first offered?

Yes, but he is claiming it isn't that with this reply. So it must be something else. Like your fellow disciple SLW, you have totally misinterpreted the acronym

I'll bite. What does STTOFO mean then?

It is not as simple as one or the other of those two. There are several reasons in my opinion, and it is only my opinion... 1. History - financial pressure brought about by the initial over-spending which put the whole organisation at risk. 2. History - the very poor relationship with NLC which we had a hand in bringing about by not paying our bills etc. 3. People - not necessarily enough skilled and capable people to operate a 'successful' football club. 4. People - the lack of number 3 above, means one or two individuals drive the agenda 5. People - the very, very poor relationships which exist within the club and the support (read any thread on here) mean that those who may have the skills, time and motivation either never volunteer or do so, then quickly realise the folly of that decision. To work 5-20 hours a week for no pay and be verbally or otherwise abused, or have your motivations regularly questioned simply does not work for most people. Those who can stick it out do by either avoiding the 'noise' or are thick-skinned enough to hear it and ignore it. Neither of these are good grounds for relationship building. 6. People - in my experience too many 'football people' are not the type of individual I would want in my life. Billy Reid, Graham Roberts, John Brown and Barry Ferguson - who would volunteer to spend unpaid time in that company? 7. Supporters - 500 fans, 600 opinions and not many of them put forward in a rationale, supportive manner. 8. Supporters - those who stand for the Board too often think like fans and not Directors with responsibilities e.g. average 50% wage rises awarded to the 2004 team despite the financial issues, and all of whom jumped ship when a better offer came their way ( and why would they not?). This is understandable as we all want Clyde to be the best they can be, but you must make long-term, strategic decisions well. 9. CIC - Structure based on JA's previous employment experience. Installed to protect the club from making the same mistake again, but in my view a restriction on progress in some ways. 10. Community & growth - we made several big errors when we went to Cumbernauld and have never recovered. In some ways, name change aside, EK was an opportunity to correct that. To your point about me not being a CIC member, that is related to why I no longer attend with the exception of the very odd game. I will not engage in any meaningful way for the foreseeable future, but that has nothing to do with the CIC.

Your request for him to un-mask himself might carry more weight if you yourself un-masked instead of hiding behind a 6 letter acronym for blind loyalty?

What's the French for repeating the same stuff repeatedly?

I would think the council tax alone would be in 5 figures for a sports stadium, the maintenance would be high, and the security (not game stewards) .....

Brighton, I am only too aware of why the CIC 'employee owned' model was the one chosen. It was a governance structure the chairman knew well and believed in. It had one redeeming feature regarding the long term protection of the club. I am not sure that even fits. if someone really wanted the club a la Clydebank and Airdrie then it is not impossible to envisage a day when they could muster more members than Clyde fans could and control may slip away.

What is to sell? No assets, probably no liabilities, so at best neutral finances. No positive future cash flow to base a valuation on, a team that is average and no money to improve it. Worst of all a desperately split and divisive support who cannot agree on anything and regularly threaten to walk away. What is it we are selling? CIC may have worked in an environment of success and growth, not at a time of decline and our worst ever performance. It needs momentum and motivation of those involved not growing apathy. It will lead us to be a Montrose, East Stirling or the like. Alive but permanently on life support. Unlike CFCuk I voted yes to the EK plan. Clearly not because I wanted to dilute the Clyde name , history or anything else, but because in my opinion we were on a journey to oblivion and what was being suggested was better than nothing. For me that journey continues apace and we will need something radical to avoid permanent irrelevance. Some will say better to be 100% Clyde and playing at the level we are at than any dilution or other radical plan re location or ownership. Failure to make a change will ensure this is what we are by default. Watching garbage with no hope of progress, with 250 others in an 8000 capacity stadium, as people continue to argue and bicker with each other- I have other ways to spend £300 a year. Seeking a consortium to take over rather than seeking another Shettleston or Glencairn may be a better use of time. Or then again....

2016 Scottish Cup winners! Won't get that sort of success in a Clyde jersey again.

Ah well, back to watching under 15 football for a while longer. Shame, I thought the effort and performance at Stirling was decent.

Where are we up to regarding relocation? Is there another Rutherglen, EK, Shettleston, in the pipeline? What is the plan for a new chairman/strategic leader? Season could be dead by Wednesday so back to planning the big stuff...............

Maybe he stepped into a vacuum?

The vice chairman is a nice guy, who has worked for the club for many years. The club needs people like him. However in my humble opinion, he is not the leader the club needs at the moment. I cannot imagine him having the vision, the strength to deal with a character like Ferguson, or the answer to 'should he be sacked and replaced by xxxxx xxxxxx'

The previous three posts from BC, TBP and Hd all have merit. For me (though not everyone) you need two things to be true for people to find the time and money to attend football. 1. It needs to be enjoyable more often than not. There are always days that are not but they need to be balanced by a similar or greater number of enjoyable games. For me it is also broader than the 90 mins on the pitch. By that I mean the pre match beer/chat/trip away etc. 2. You also need a belief or an element of hope that progress is probable or at least possible. This is where the vision and the delivery of the strategy comes into play. No vision or a repeated failure to deliver on a vision takes away the belief and the hope that playing at a better level, with better players on show and an atmosphere in the ground will return in the short to medium term. The ambition of a significant proportion of our support for that level of performance and enjoyment generates a frustration and eventually decisions that can be read throughout any Clyde thread especially this one. Until number 2 above is delivered on, there won't be enough of number 1 which increases frustration, reduces attendances and and ironically makes the whole thing a catch-22. The clock is ticking.

Wonderful. Don't know how I missed this first time around.

Dear dear, but they are all lovable rogues after all...

It's not called parkhead

Spent the first 45 mins watching 20 or so idiots around me arguing over seats, pushing each other, telling the people behind them to stand if they want to see, including the kids and then hugging like long lost buddies. Big day out in the big city, and they can't handle it. Game was fairly average, just as well opposition were poor. Dear seats for me next time to see if I can actually watch the game. Best fans my ass

Back to the earlier comment, if you type in English you may get a response.

Whoaaa he's onto people with a bit of money now. Move over English people its the West of Scotland middle classes who are now in the firing line. The ones who pay their council tax so he's got a library to sit in all day, posting on here.