Junior_Arab

Surely Rangers & Celtic demand this treatment at Hampden?

I hope to f**k there’s a name missing from the GTF list. You know the fellow - hat with corks hanging from it, fragile wrists resembling a South-Asian crispy fried appetiser, perennially embarrassed look upon his face…?

I think there are a lot of young guys who haven’t really done much to enhance their reputations this season. One of the only silver linings of being relegated was that I thought it might result in guys like Mochrie, Meekison, McLeod, Cudjoe etc establishing themselves as first team players - it could have been the making of them, but very few of them really managed to make much of an impression. Fotheringham certainly, Graham (if he hadn’t already) and Cudjoe in fits and starts have probably shown they are of the standard required but the rest haven’t done themselves any big favours.

Just catching up with this now. f**k me, that is one of the biggest stonewall penalties I have ever seen. And it’s never, ever a foul in the build up. I don’t think the ref even knows what he’s given the free kick for. He just panics because he doesn’t want to give the penalty.

Chuffed with that, but can’t bring myself to be delighted, because it still feels like a situation we should never have got ourselves into in the first place. Fair fucks to Raith, they chased us a lot longer & harder than I expected them to do. To match our first half of the season was particularly impressive. Still not 100% convinced by Goodwin, and a few of the younger lads we seemed to have big hopes for haven’t really done enough to suggest they’ll do a job in the top flight. The hard work starts now - a lot of ins & outs to come before next season hopefully.

27th, 74th and 115th (if required) please.

No, of course it’s not impossible. And remember, I wasn’t querying whether anyone at Dens was sufficiently qualified to make the case for antiquated sewerage or an underground water course being the cause of the your recent issues, rather I was doubting the expertise of your online fans who have subsequently presented these things as facts. But if any of those things had been the case I think it might have been mentioned as a mitigating factor by the club by now. I suspect they might have raised it when approached for comment in tonight’s article on the Courier website, for example. https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-fc/4945576/dundee-fc-dens-park-pitch-problems/ spoiler alert:

Hills “work” in any number of ways. If you’re talking about water running down them (which, if you want to be pedantic about things is probably more about how water “works” tbh) then, yes, I’d like to think I’ve a decent grasp of the basics. But it doesn’t make me Joseph fucking Bazalgette.

The point I’m making there is that I have no fucking idea about the sewers, drains etc in that part of town, or indeed any other part of town. And I’m afraid I have a hard time believing that you or any of the other Dundee fans who are suddenly “experts” on the topic do either.

All this pish about sewers, drains, burns etc that has become “fact”since somebody speculatively mentioned it in the build up to your match on Saturday… If it was true do you not think it might have been a problem before now? If it was true do you not think somebody from your club might have mentioned it by now given they’re now onto (checks notes) climate change as an excuse? Extremely localised climate change that doesn’t affect any other ground in Scotland obviously. I think they might have gone for the blocked drains first if that were in any way true. So far this season Dundee and their fans have blamed referees (are we still demanding the sacking of the guy who called off the Aberdeen game?), their groundstaff, the drains, the council, house building 20 yrs ago, climate change and f**k knows what else for games being called off. And yet I’ve never seen any Dundee fan on here mention chronic underinvestment in their facilities as a factor.

I think recent events have put an entirely different spin on those pyros though - maybe they were being used genuinely to signal for help by people stuck in the quagmire in the middle of the pitch, being slowly dragged under to their doom?

He’s pretty much done it already. I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but a couple of weeks ago he spent 10 minutes arguing that by going for a manager from the English Championship / League 1 level Aberdeen would be showing a massive lack of ambition. He then immediately pivoted to shouting loudly that managers at English Championship / League One level were way out of Aberdeen’s league and they couldn’t possibly hope to appoint someone like that.

And I can’t imagine it would get a cursory 20 secs of analysis as the very final item on Sportscene either.

I think he’s definitely noticed that your pitch maintenance regime is cheap as chips…

Yep. And the pitch isn’t much better.

If it does go ahead at Tannadice though they wouldn’t even have to renege on all the hospitality packages they’ve doubtless sold - they could just break the Dr Noodles suite into its 3 constituent panels and have it across the road in 10 minutes. We could even dump an old bed on top of our catering outlets if it helped seal the deal…

David Squires, the football cartoonist in the Guardian, has had a few crackers on this very subject over the years: https://www.theguardian.com/football/picture/2016/nov/08/david-squires-football-poppy-fury-season https://www.theguardian.com/football/picture/2015/nov/10/david-squires-on-football-and-remembrance-day https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2017/nov/07/david-squires-on-football-and-poppygate-2017 https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2019/nov/12/david-squires-on-football-and-the-poppy https://www.theguardian.com/football/cartoon/2014/nov/13/david-squires-footballers-wearing-poppies And of course who can forget Gunnersaurus’s solemn tribute to the fallen?

Kenny Miller instantly just sucks the intelligence out of any room he’s in. I managed to listen to the games but turned off pretty quickly when it came to the now weekly “Michael Stewart gets really angry, shouts a lot and refuses to let anyone else finish a sentence, whilst contradicting himself every second sentence” segment, this week focussed on the Aberdeen manager’s job. He seemed to be really (hopefully performatively) angry that nobody was putting forward any names from Scottish football before revealing that Lennon, Ross and MacKay were the best names he could come up with. He then proceeded to question the ambition of appointing a manager of English League One / Championship standard, before revealing that such managers were way out of Aberdeen’s league. Which would surely suggest that trying to appoint such a candidate would be extremely ambitious…?

Ummm. No. Or there would literally never be official news releases about bad things.

Hopefully that’s where the Vince McMahon similarities would end…

Absolutely. I’m sure that an additional £20million on his budget would have allowed him to put a player on the halfway line at corners for.

That might be closer to the truth sadly…

Eh? When I read about the link up I’d just assumed they were going to be the feeder??? The only reason that a midweek match against Morton in March* is in any way a big game is precisely because we’ve made a complete arse of several other “big” matches lately. If we’d gone about our business in a remotely competent way in recent weeks we could have lost last night and not batted an eyelid. We were bound to win one sooner or later. (*may not be a big game but it is pleasantly alliterative) If he is looking to offload Brentford it could be that he’s taken them as far as he thinks he can and selling them now will give him the maximum return on his investment. Maybe he sees United where we are (hopefully at a pretty low ebb) and realises that he could improve us fairly drastically then try to sell us for a profit if/when we’re in a better place. We always laugh at guys who think they can make a profit from football, but this guy seems to have a pretty good track record at it.

We’ve had several opportunities to put ourselves well clear of Raith since Christmas and blown them. This weekend being a prime example.

That was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me tonight. All season we’ve kind of squeaked along, doing just enough to be acceptable. Cup results were embarrassing but we were never going to win them anyway and it was hard to be too critical when we were unbeaten and only being matched by a Raith side that were punching well above their weight. That hasn’t been the case since Christmas, when Raith went on the kind of run we suspected they might but we have singularly failed to take advantage. And I’ve seen nothing under Goodwin, starting last season with 5 straight defeats post split, continuing up to the 2 games vs Raith and now this that suggests he’ll come up with results when it really matters during the run in. Off you f**k, Jim.