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Unfortunately you are probably wrong. Sky work on viewer numbers and will walk away from Scottish Football using a legitimate break clause in the contract based on sound commercial reasoning.
That's not scaremongering, that's harsh commercial reality.
Garbage. What are they going to show instead, considering that they will lose everyone who subscribed specifically for the SPL? Sunday morning showjumping? Fucking hell, Sky renegotiated *upwards* in their last deal even though the competition is weaker and the old Firm are worse. That presumably means the league is still quite a draw.
Lastly, and this really hasn't been emphasised enough: if Sky really didn't want Rangers to walk away, Murdock's outlets would have been all over this. They haven't. Nowhere near to the extent Glasgow's hacks have.
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Stranraer's statement is a fucking belter.
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Any chairman who thinks a secret ballot is going to save him from being accountable should really check in at Narcotics Anonymous as soon as possible.
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And people are treating this as true?
I just cannot understand why people on this thread still treat anything this Rangers & Newco propaganda machine say as truth. They are regularly shown up for what they are, peddlers of lies and misinformation, yet as soon as they put anything out it's posted here and discussed as if it's genuine.
The Daily Record and its associated hacks have run the game for years. Thus far in this, all the diddies have accomplished is getting some chairmen to make some press releases. It's going to be another couple of days before any tangible victory can be announced.
Anyone noticed that SSN and BBC are reporting today's SFL meeting as deciding on Newco into 1st only. Not once do they mention the option of them going into division 3.
The only decision to make is whether to break the rules and put them in the First. Otherwise the normal procedure is followed. But bear in mind that the BBC has been fucking terrible throughout this, especially compared to STV and Channel 4 (both of whom have actually conducted some, y'know, investigative journalism, rather than just reprinting whatever they're told).
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Congratulations on your promotion, Dundee Rangers.
That is actually Dundee F.C.'s full name.
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Wow, you can't just drop that without giving a bit more info, whats being said on B&W Army?
http://www.blackandwhitearmy.com/forums/index.php/topic/34332-shareholders-meeting-re-newco/
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has anyone worked out how sponsors can claim compensation if sevco arent allowed in the SPL btw ?
If the stuff coming out of St Mirren tonight is accurate, the idea was that they'd get out of their contracts if the OF moved to England. Because of course that would somehow magically funnel millions in new settlement fees back up the road.
It still doesn't make any fucking sense, of course. Most sponsors of Scottish football do so to get Scottish eyeballs. For enough, if Rangers are playing in the EPL then it's mostly going to be English people watching them. But that's not what's happened here, and Celtic are staying put. So it would be completely daft for sponsors to pull out. And yet Gilmour has just told an apparently appreciative audience that this is precisely what they're going to do, and thus the time has come to put aside all these silly rebel ideas and lube up while they still can.
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If the stuff on B&W Army is accurate then the game is officially a bogey. Gilmour essentially stating that he's happy to vote yes to newco on the grounds that he'd never actually bothered to consider reading the terms under which the SPL's sponsors could walk away, and it turns out that the SPL (despite the OF having threatened for over a decade to move to England) negotiated no-OF release clauses in every one of its sponsorship deals.
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yeah, would agree to that , it was fun trying to work out what the gael for corner kick or penalty is
If it weren't so brutally non-PC it would be great to have some sort of send-up of Gaelic TV, Chanel 9-style, including the smattering of phrases that we all picked up from Dotaman, Postman Pat and that current affairs thing that used to be on BBC2 at half eleven.
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The guidebook suggests to avoid "flat sausage". It probably also warns against "Lorne sausage" and "square sausage". I have it on good authority, though, that it firmly recommends "slice".
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I genuinely don't think Keevins's piece is that bad. The central premise is bogus (the settlement isn't going away), but at least it's a reasonably honest assessment of what that scenario would mean. Keevins appears to actually be trying to think ahead here, arguing against having no Rangers at all (unlikely even given how much has already been accomplished).
Traynor's piece could have been written by Leggatt. I assume he has an intern to copy his columns off of his wallpaper and onto a computer.
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Cant get any links as the Record site is showing yesterdays news but Traytor and Keevins, the Haudit and Daudit of Scottish sports journalism, both have 2 page spreads today basically telling us that if Newco get a raw deal this week, Scottish football will be dead
Maybe the Record thought it was being too subtle before.
Does anyone know anybody who has actually been swayed by any of these pieces? Are they supposed to be directed purely at the faithful?
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I know you think you've made a witty point there Florence, but its actually quite apt, since a club or team is made up of its members or players who come and go through time, but the club remains.
I thought the point was the only the most parodically stupid person would consider them the same. You're aware that the joke was supposed to be at Trigger's expense in that clip?
We Are Trigger Parodies?
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And they would know if they voted into Newco it would be financial suicide.
No it wouldn't. Celtic are by far the least reliant team in Scotland on season ticket sales at present. For every mouth-breather who cancels their season, there will be another one trundling across the walkway at Prestwick Airport to take his place. The absolute ideal for Celtic is to have a castrated Rangers in the SPL, which is why they are absolutely undoubtedly pushing for this with their every being behind the scenes.
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You've just made that up. absolutely no suggestion this is the case.
CFC are a publicly listed company. The board of directors is legally bound to maximise profits for its shareholders. I don't seriously believe that you, one of the board's better CFC fans, actually think they're sitting back and waiting for this to pan out.
More utter drivel .. I'll take a wild stab that you have absolutely no proof to back up this ridiculous statement.
You, on the other hand, are an utter roaster, and probably actually believe this. What was your candle budget last season?
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Are you honestly suggesting this utter drivel warrants anything other than ridicule?
He's right, you're wrong. Regardless of whether Celtic's silence is about tacit support for the newco or simply to avoid tabloid criticism, CFC are undoubtedly doing everything in their power to get some entity that could be described as "Rangers" back in the SPL as soon as possible. There's simply no avoiding that at all. For f**k's sake stop digging, you fucking cretins.
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A cunning plan will be announced this week that will see Rangers in the bottom flight next season:-
A Scottish Premier League of 20 Teams
A Scottish Championship of 22 Teams ( Including Rangers )
Three relegated from the SPL at the end of the season. Top two in Championship automatically Promoted. 3rd, 4th, 5th & 6th in play - offs for third Promotion spot ( Beginning to sound familiar ) Sky to cover play-offs.
As soon as Rangers make it back to the SPL the cry goes up for League reconstruction and we revert back to a 12 - 10 - 10 -10 format. Simples
Am I a cynic ..... oh, yes
That would still be the best season in years.
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On a more serious note you wonder what brief Longmuir has set the legal advisers
Is it 'What's the majority required to parachute a newco into the First Division?'.
Or is it 'We want to parachute a newco into the First Division on a simple majority, now find us justification for doing this'
It's more likely "how do we avoid a vote entirely". Even a secret ballot would be suicide for any clubs who hadn't previously announced their intentions.
How times change. Wasn't that long ago that Longmuir and Petrie were firmly in the good guy camp. Good luck shifting your £3.50 hot dogs at Easter Road next season, Rod.
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But in this scenario isn't there a high chance SFL clubs... suitably infuriated at such acts of dictatorial abuse... then votes to demote Rangers on the grounds they did Gretna, or alternatively Livingston?
Not without a tsunami of paperwork.
I doubt this is likely anyway. We've already seen the SFA's contingency plan: an SPL2 consisting of Cowdenbeath, Sevco (Scotland) and whichever other seaside / basement league teams have the chairmen with the weakest bladders.
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Before I start, let me say that Virgin Trains's Glasgow-London service's free wifi is fucking horrific. One of the few times in my life I've actually wanted to listen of Off the Ball and I've had no chance.
Surely if gate money was to be split in any fashion it would be based on match ticket sales for that game alone and not from the season tickets.
It sounds like a convenient compromise. It offsets the direct impact of gate splits for the likes of Celtic (with capacities over twice that of every other team in the league) while ensuring that Celtic season holders can feel good about themselves when visiting away grounds. Everyone else benefits across the board.
Up to a point. The discount on walk up could be under a ton. Next season our crowds will dip, but half of say 40,000 one week, and maybe 9,000 the next, is still less than keeping the whole 40,000 every 2 weeks.
Not sure if I get you. I'm talking about *you personally*, attending every away game while having a home season, rather than every Celtic season holder, as plainly they can't all go to away games. Presently, *your* impact on Celtic's gate revenue is capped the minute your season form is processed. It will always be less than the walk-up fee for attending every home game (not to mention the frees). If sharing were in place, then so long as the total price that you spend on away tickets exceeds what your season costs, your impact on Celtic's revenue is a net positive.
Fans who don't go to away games will only be worth 50% of their previous revenue to CFC. But you're not one of them.
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What, my 620 quid should comprise of £310 to my club, and £310 spread around other clubs? I already pay every fortnight to other clubs.
Ummm. If you attend away games, then presently those teams get 100% of your gate. If gates were shared, Celtic would get half that back. Given that you've a Parkhead season ticket, and hence a hefty discount on the walk-up fee over the course of a season, you'd end up seeing significantly more of your hard-earned going to your own club than at present (where they get the whole of your discounted season seat, and nothing every second week).
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Given servco are not going to be in the SPL next season I'd hope that Celtic would be at the forefront of suggesting a more equitable share of available monies rather than getting dragged screaming to it. IF servco are elected to division 3 then I'd honestly like to see some form of payment to the visiting league team to Celtic park. We'll all have to cut our cloth, we have much more cloth than the rest.
I honestly hope that Celtic can build better relationships with other clubs, as the song says it's now or never
This is getting a greeny once mine have refreshed. It is indeed true that if (and this is still a big if) the stitchup fails and there's no quick return to the status quo at the top table, Celtic would be very much better off trying to make friends quickly than being the lone dissenting voice against future diddy reforms.
Naw - C4 would be better off sending him back to Syria or Afghanistan - he simply couldn't cut the mustard up here trying to get to the bottom of the Rangers' corruption. Just my opinion.
Aye, because that's much easier work. You're a fucking idiot.
The two can't really be compared tho, the NFL is run on its socialist model and that only works because it's a closed shop and no one else in the world plays that game, it could never be done with a global sport like the fitbaw
Not sure if serious.
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I see the Record is running a Third Lanark story today. Wonder why that is.
Also still going with the "...are expected to play in the First Division next season" line. Aye, by a group of alcoholics who have been wrong about every single part of this story so far.
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Does anybody have an argument as to why a gate money split *isn't* a viable option?
It discourages stadium capacity upgrades, as every new seat benefits the opposition as much as the home team (the not-actual reason). It would also significantly reduce the overall gate revenue for the Old Firm (the actual reason).
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Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!
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Aye, 50% required for a completely unforeseen and never-to-be-repeated alteration of the rules purely for the benefit of another league. I'm fucking sure that's what the blazers have suddenly decided. This has been punted to the SFL so that when clubs are being boycotted the weasels in the top tier can claim to have been against it and beg fans not to punish them for the diddies' decision. f**k.