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It's why they lost in Foyle - nationalists realising that you still need to be instead the tent. Utter humping there and SF deserved it.

She was beaten for being an arrogant yellow Tory who voted for austerity policies.

Noticeable that Dundee is Yes across all age brackets except the very young.

My mother,who votes Tory, has accepted grudgingly that there needs to be another referendum - of course she couches it in her usual language - she said that if it is a Yes she will accept it and if it is a No the SNP should pay for the referendum.

Margaret Thatcher (and I'm no fan!!) even understood about the mandate for getting independence. From page 624 of her book The Downing Street Years. Midway through paragraph two, she asserts: “The Tory Party is not, of course, an English party, but a Unionist one. If it sometimes seems English to some Scots, that is because the Union is inevitably dominated by England by reason of its greater population. The Scots, being an historic nation with a proud past, will inevitably resent some expressions of this fact from time to time." "As a nation, they have an undoubted right to national self-determination; thus far they have exercised that right by joining and remaining in the Union. Should they determine on independence, no English party or politician would stand in their way, however much we might regret their departure.”

Margaret Thatcher (and I'm no fan!!) even understood about the mandate for getting independence. From page 624 of her book The Downing Street Years. Midway through paragraph two, she asserts: “The Tory Party is not, of course, an English party, but a Unionist one. If it sometimes seems English to some Scots, that is because the Union is inevitably dominated by England by reason of its greater population. The Scots, being an historic nation with a proud past, will inevitably resent some expressions of this fact from time to time." "As a nation, they have an undoubted right to national self-determination; thus far they have exercised that right by joining and remaining in the Union. Should they determine on independence, no English party or politician would stand in their way, however much we might regret their departure.”

Or if Labour had said to May that they'd let her deal through so long as it went to a referendum. Instead they decided to bleat on about having a General Election - only to have their bluff called when Boris replaced May.

It's fucking toytown revolutionary posturing of the worst kind. The fucking morons need to realise that without power you can't implement f**k all

Unionist logic. 43% of the vote and 58% of the seats is a mandate to govern the UK. But 46% of the vote and 80% of the seats in Scotland is not a mandate for the democratically elected Scottish Parliament to decide if it wants IndyRef2.

Saving your worst ICT poster award till the end?

It's interesting to watch Unionists try to dilute what the SNP's manifesto mandate is. The thing is though it's not the SNP who've shown that No to IndyRef2 is a busted flush. The one party who definitely made this vote unambiguously about IndyRef2 was the Tory Party - their position was clearly rejected when they lost over half their Scottish seats and dropped in the share of the vote.

It's a complicated issue but I think there are several key factors. Populism with simplistic slogans backed up by a pliant MSM is one good reason. We've had 45+ years of the MSM drip dripping what is essentially a racist narrative regards the EU - it's surprising that the EU referendum vote was as close as it was. If you repeat something often enough it often becomes the truth to some people. The EU became the scapegoat for the failures of the UK governments - predominantly Tory governments (28 out of the last 40 years). There is also the sad reality that in many of these places the Labour Party have been in power and wasted opportunities to improve the lot of working class people. It's why the SNP came to power in Scotland - people were fed up of the so-called workers party not actually looking after working people - either at a local level or a national level - too busy building their own personal fiefdoms. I also get a real sense of resentment from Midlands and Northern constituencies towards London - I've said before that far too many decisions in this country are made for the benefit of London only and not the country as a whole. Labour were viewed by many as being for London only and the metropolitan elite.

Even Leonard was conceding that they may need to review their stance on the constitutional question. I still feel that won't happen though - too many bellends in the West Central belt Labour Party who still think they are "something".

Was Harris not the one calling on Labour voters to vote Tory in Tory-held seats?

The reality is that large swathes of our press are controlled by tax-dodging billionaires - it's hard to beat that if you are constantly hit over the head with it - even more so when members of your own party are supplying the ammunition for them. However, my biggest gripe is the way our so called "unbiased" national broadcaster has cosied up to Johnson. The likes of Kuennesberg have been major proponents of client journalism throughout the Johnson premiership - regurgitating Cummings press releases and tweets as "news" without questioning the veracity of what they've been given. It's not even journalism - is being a lazy b*****d because you are on the same class divide. Where have all the good journalists gone?