Davie Bhoy
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I think it was Brondby who knocked out Hibernian this season mate.
Now you mention it, I think you're right. I watched their games well. Did Aberdeen not play Malmo?0 -
aye but thats arguably down to the luck of the CL draw, had rodgers came up against a warsaw or molde this season he'd be preparing for a thursday night EL match the now instead of being papped out of europe with a game to spare
Yet you don't factor in the luck of the draw giving us a nightmare group when you try to use our group results against us. Can't have it both ways.davie claims 2 points from 15 (likely 18) is an improvement, when the last time they were in the CL they got 3 point from 18 and most likely werent spending as much money
Nice spin on the argument there. 2pts from 5 CL group games is far superior to 3pts from 6 EL group games. Last season we failed to make the CL, this season we did. Stevie Wonder can see the improvement from last season. Nobody is comparing our last time in the CL with now. This debate started out as a progress from last season. You flit between last season & our last time in the CL.as i said, last season deila had a better record in the qualifiers, he was just unlucky that the final round came against a decent side in molde, and tbh it isnt really a knock at celtic (well it is as it would be for rangers given their spending prowess over teams like molde etc) but scottish teams will now always rely on luck in the european draws to make it through the qualifying rounds
It was Malmo we faced in the last qualifier...not Molde. It was Molde who ran away with our group. From having been at our games against Malmo, Qarabag & Astana, I can't understand why you claim that Malmo are somehow some great team. They aren't. They carried luck against an average Celtic side. Even this season, poor refereeing decisions were all that stopped Hibs from knocking them out of Europe.
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Irrelevant though. I'd argue that the most important position in a football club is the first team coach, which does not come under playing staff. The only way you can make a comparison on this is through total wage budgets. Celtic, through no fault of their own, are streets ahead of the rest in that respect.
It is relevant though. The insinuation was that we spent that amount on first team wages when it isn't the case. The hefty wages the directors are on from the money the groundsmen, stewards, catering staff etc etc are all lumped into that figure.
Anyway, like you said it's no fault of our own and the comparison isn't with other Scottish clubs it's with teams in Europe.
Maybe if 54 & counting wants to compare wage budgets he should look at his own club over the past 4-5 seasons. 2nd biggest wage bill in Scottish football for all that time. 4 attempts to win the prestigious Petrofac Cup, 2 attempts to get out the Championship, no major domestic cups won, languishing in 3rd in the league. Maybe he should compare wage budgets with the teams who did win some of those honours such as Hibs, Hearts, Inverness CT, St Johnstone, Livingston, Raith Rovers, QoS, Partick Thistle....or does the playing budget not count when it comes to his own club?0 -
Feast of Scottish football? you mean rest, ....like Motherwell and Hamilton? I can see that Partick Thistle might give you problems and I would if I was a Celtic fan seriously worry about Morton if they ever came up.
Yes, the rest. Bloody phone/site seems to change words too easily.But anyway is it not like nuking a little 2cm spider from orbit? And what about the complaints over other teams unable to make the title race more competitive? How can any club in Scotland compete with that?
No it's not like that because this squad isn't just built for the challenges of the domestic game. It's also to help us do well in Europe. This is where we enter the unknown. This season we have spent very little given we've been drawn against big clubs from the top 3 clubs in Europe. Maybe we should use your argument and asses it on a points v money spent to evaluate value for money. Anyway, as this is a European topic I'm not sure why what we spend has to do with the Scottish game in that context. If fans want to compete with us then turn up and put the money in. Don't just cry about it.But anyway you remind me of the Rangers fans who also didn't care about how much cash they went through to achieve success. As long as they got their fill of win and trophies it didn't matter.
Which is entirely up to them. If they can afford to repay the loans etc then fair enough. They couldn't afford to splash the cash,....we can!0 -
I take it its not a tight ship that's been run here?.
36m in wages not including bonuses just to keep ahead of Aberdeen?? What's Aberdeen's wage budget? The end of season points difference, you can work out the financial cost in wages of each point Celtic finish ahead of Aberdeen?
Then you can see if your team is good value for the wage budget.
Every club has bonuses. The money spent isn't to keep ahead of Aberdeen, but to keep ahead of the feast of Scottish football. I'm not interested in what cost each point gained comes at. We are the champions, we are in the CL, we're playing great football, we're looking good for a treble....the money is well spent.0 -
how the f**k can the game away to beer sheeva have came too soon for a team that had played not only 5 qualifiers before it, but 2 league games as well
Quite simply because it's a new manager who is still trying to find out about 30 new players and who works well in his system etc. Do you really think that 7 competitive games is sufficient time for a new manager to have assessed his entire playing squad? I noticed you failed to address the conditions they had to play in.as for luck etc you are missing the point big time, not unusual mind you, this is the easiest qualifying campaign celtic have had in years, and like it or not they scraped through, Delia for all his failings had harder qualifying campaigns, whos to say he wouldnt have got through a CL group stage had he made it, my point is that celtic have and will always need luck to get through the qualifiers, so talking of improvements over previous seasons is wrong as celtic didnt have the luck of the draw the previous 2
How can you claim it was an easier qualifying campaign? On paper the teams were maybe not as good but the conditions and other factors were levellers. Travelling to the edge of Asia, Travelling to the desert, playing on a poor artificial surface, playing in a humid climate. You seem to want to overlook these factors while ignoring the point that the opposition were actually not too bad either.if you think an improvement in this celtic side is a probable european record of P12, W3, D3, L6 then thats up to you, i think thats a brutal record given half the games were qualifiers in which celtic were seeded in all 3 ties
Again...new manager trying to get to grips with an entirely new bunch of players at a new club while trying to navigate through European qualifiers. I know your argument doesn't allow for any of that to be taken into consideration but the only sign of improvement that matters is that while this time last season we failed to make the CL, this season we are there. While we were slipping up in the Europa, this season we are doing it in the CL.
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They are spending more than that.
ETA:
http://cdn.celticfc.net/assets/downloads/Celtic_Annual_Report_2016_Web.pdf
Page 9, under operating expenses has "Labour" at £36.9m.
This isn't just for the playing squad though which is where he was aiming that. This includes everyone employed at the club.0 -
Read the rumours about Messi might be on his way to Man City for 500k a week. How can anyone compete with that? Clubs like Celtic are mere minnows now.
Makes no difference. We couldn't compete financially for the past 20 years & we still can't now.0 -
We arent discussing domestically, were discussing if celtic have improved in europe under Rodgers, given their performances and money spent id say no,
Jeez, just read several of your posts and you really are bitter. Celtic go through & we were lucky...funnily enough in our defeats you never suggest we were unlucky. I mean we battered the Red Imps away but do I hear you say we were unlucky to lose and not kill the tie in Gibraltar....no. All you have done is focus on the negatives. The only game we really struggled in was the away tie in Israel & given the Heat & humidity of playing in the desert, our players looked dead on their feet. That kinda game poss came too soon for them but that's the beauty of the qualifiers.
However the fact is we did enough to go through. So it's not lucky. As for throwing in about the penalties, they were stonewallers and if we hadn't been taken down in the box, would have likely scored. That is not being lucky...it's the rules of the game. You also question the quality of the sides we faced & how 'lucky' we were but you fail to mention how this poor Beer Sheva side went to Milan & beat Inter in the San Siro. C'mon man, give credit where it's due.
We also drew away in Germany & at home to Man City. Both sides who play in the elite leagues in Europe & who spend so many £m's more than we do...how does that fit into your 'they spend £m's' argument?
If you can't see the improvement in this Celtic side in Europe then you clearly have no clue about football.
You go on about spending £m's...our net spend is only about £4m0 -
And? The current rangers team arent spending close to 30mill on wages a year, spending millions on a manager and tossing 4mill on one player
Suggesting Celtic are spending close on £30m a year on wages
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If he's even still at Celtic. Theres a reason he only accepted a one year rolling contract.
It's Celtic who hand out 1yr rolling contracts to managers. Have done with every manager since MoN.0 -
Clearly this shows the need for The Rangers to find a new tax avoidance scheme and people to rip off so they can challenge the true dominant force in Scottish football, or can they really be considered a proper tribute act!
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It covered most of the touchline about as far as the penalty box tbf. Maybe to do with money or the brewery next door. It cost 32k at the time.
cannae be bothered raking out a photo but there's definitely a good one in my blog HERE
Aye that's the one. Remember we used to be in the Georgie Rd end and having to park the Supporters buses along by some wee Crescent that felt like miles away & in the middle of it was a grass bit that had cattle grazing on it lol. Used to get into the ground through the gap in the flats. Was about 15 on my first visit there.
If it was about cost would they not have been better putting a bit more on the sideline instead of the wee bit around the corner? Was just strange seeing it the first time.
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Speaking about roofs, what was the thinking behind the old Tynecastle one where their main singing crowd used to gather in the corner when it was terraced?
Only a wee bit of the sideline & a fraction behind the goal had a roof & the rest was exposed to the elements.0 -
Scotland
Celtic Park
Ibrox
Firhill
Rugby Park
Tynecastle
Pittodrie
McDairmid Park
Fir Park
New Douglas Park
Victoria Park
Dens Park
Easter Rd
Tannadice
Cappielow
The Falkirk Stadium
New St Mirren Park
Almondvale
Hampden
Broomfield - (Airdrie old)
England
St James Park
Old Trafford
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Goodison
St Mary's
Craven Cottage
Loftus Rd
Cardiff City stadium
Ricoh Arena
County Ground (Swindon Town)
Filbert St (Leicester City old)
Ireland
Solitude
Aviva Stadium
Abroad
San Siro
Olympic Stadium (Seville)
Been to loads of junior grounds too but will keep them off the list.0 -
Do I need to spell it out to you. Apparently I do. New manager comes in and has qualifiers quickly thrust upon him as he's still trying to not only get to know his best side but he's in new players & have them get to know each other.
If we played those same teams just now I'd be confident we'd do a lot better than we did in the qualifiers. Although to give them credit, Hapoel Beer Sheva went to the San Siri and beat Inter Milan so it puts our result at home into perspective against them.
Why wouldn't we improve when the manager has had a full season at the club and will know what his full squad can offer him, what his best starting line up is and with them more aware of what he expects of them. Throw in the massive financial returns the club will have from this campaign which will help increase his budget then it'd be silly to suggest there would be anything other than an improvement.-1 -
Are you conveniently forgetting how piss poor celtic were in the qualifiers bar one game at home? and even then they almost shat the bed that night also
Celtics euro record this season will likely finish
P12, W3, D3, L6, which ia shite given half the games they were seeded for in the qualifiers
We're in the group stages earning €28m which tells me we weren't as piss poor in those qualifiers as the picture you're painting. Regardless, Rodgers had just taken over & the league season wasn't totally up & running so what you expecting. Bit of a moot point really.This. The thread is coefficient watch Davie. 2 Draws in the champions league group stages glosses over a lot of cracks in the qualifiers.
A lot of cracks Davie.
As for the ifs and buts pish you're spouting, nonsense as usual.
It glosses over nothing. The point being made is about the progression being made in such a short space of time. NOT how we were at the starting point.
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I'll admit Celtics performances against Manchester City at home and Borrussia away have been a pleasant surprise. Still a very very long way to go for them to be a decent competitive side in Europe though.
I don't think there is a "very very long way to go". As I said elsewhere, I think if we're in any of the other groups this season, we'd be competing for a 2nd or 3rd spot but when you get hit with teams from La Liga, Premiership & Bundesliga in your group then you're up against it. If this side can at least give a decent account of ourselves with Rodgers at the helm for just a few months & only £4m spent, then I'm sure we'll be even more competitive next season.0 -
Where they going to buy that from?
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Why did your fellow fans wreck some of the Stand at Fir Park?
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Best ask the ones who wrecked them.0 -
Whatever happened to the talk of Motherwell moving to a new stadium? Always felt a club like Motherwell could be doing with something similar to what St Mirren have.
Not a big fan of Fir Park. I know CityDave likes the stand but I found it to be poor with the catering facilities in the middle serving both the lower & upper tiers not able to cope with a large travelling support. I found it to be the same as Easter Rd that despite going down about 5-7 mins before kick-off, you still don't get back to your seat until about 5 mins into the 2nd half.
Also been at games at Fir Park where the roof hasn't done a good job of stopping the rain from dripping down. If you're unfortunate enough to be in that seat where the drips come down you have a poor 90 mins ahead of you.0 -
The main stand is a listed building.
Wasn't aware that it was but just because it's a listed building surely doesn't make it immune from having to reach the same fire safety standards as other grounds. Clearly something in the rules allows it but I don't understand why. Especially when we look back to the Bradford City fire you'd have thought that while the building still stands, they'd not be allowed to open it to the public.0 -
Firhill home of Partick Thistle. I've been a few times but have only sat in the Jackie Husband Stand which is an excellent stand. The quirk factor has to be the old Main Stand which for a time wasn't used for supporters though its used for the club's offices and the club shop. As it seems with many old stands the entrance to the pitch for the players is from the corner. The North Stand behind the goal for a few years was only partially completed which gave the stadium a very lopsided appearance and the South terracing is now a grass embankment. I will be interesting to see how this stadium develops over the next twenty years.
The match below is from a 1st Division meeting with QotS in February 2008, this is the only match I have ever fallen asleep at. It was a cold day so I brought down my McMurdo Parka which is like a big duvet, sat in the JH warm and cosy and at some point during this dull game which incidentally finished 0-0 I nodded of for 10 minutes during the 2nd half, then woken suddenly by the Thistle supporters reacting to a bad foul which resulted in a red card for a Queen's player. Now how did I manage to stay awake sometimes watching ICT at home under John Hughes' last season???
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Regarding Firhill. Just a couple of queries. I was in the main stand a few years back when we rented the stadium for our youth team to play it's matches there. Couldn't believe just how bad the main stand was & how out of date it was. Surely the old wooden stand is a clear fire hazard. So how is it allowed to be used for Premiership games...or any games in fact? Not mocking, serious question.
As for the vacant end behind the goal, I remember reading in the paper a few years ago there were talks/plans to build flats there with a small seating area under it for about 800 seats if memory serves me right. Whatever happened to that idea & does anybody have any artists impressions etc of how this was going to work. Couldn't get my head around how they would work this with the limited space there.
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My understanding is that the load on the roof at Parkhead was erroneously calculated before they added the skybox on, hence the addition of the supports which were, if I remember correctly, not in place when the stand opened.
This tallies in quite nicely with the "soft touch" that Parkhead received from the building control people at Glasgow District Council, as I think it was then, compared to Hampden when both were extensively rebuilt around the turn of the last century. Apart from allowing Celtic to extend their stand over a cemetery and having what was the most crushing exit I ever encountered behind that stand (since closed), the away section in the corner requires you to queue for a pie by standing on exit stairs. With the toilets being located directly beside the pie stall, those using either have to battle for position on the stairs as well as negotiate the stairs with those queuing.
I knew a brickie who worked on the new stand at Parkhead and he was appalled at what they were allowed to get away with. I was a bit closer involved with QP then when the new South Stand was being built, and the difference in attitude of the Council to Hampden compared to what was fairly common knowledge at what was happening at Parkhead was marked.
For instance, the capacity of Hampden for health and safety was increased to count the capacity of the hospitality lounges....when people were obviously either in their seats or in the lounges. This resulted in major works to extend the width of doors to allow for these ghost punters to leave. Additionally, the wooden frames of the photos on the wall in Hampden corridors were deemed to be a fire hazard and had to be replaced. QPFC were raging that Celtic seemed to get away with so much, yet QP were tripping over building control guys every time they opened a door.
No one can convince me that the overhang or the exits re the stand opposite the main stand at Parkhead or the situation with the away end stairs would be tolerated elsewhere.
I disagree with the overhang part. What 'soft touch' did we get with regards to that? We paid for the airspace above the cemetery and built over it. Not uncommon in the construction trade.
I also sit in that stand in the upper tier, just a few rows in front of the pillars & I've never felt the exits were crushing. It seems to work ok on matchdays & there is never an issue.
As for the pie stall queue in that corner. Can only recall being in there a couple of seasons back for a one-off game in the cup when the upper tier was closed and I don't remember people queuing up & standing on exit stairs on that occassion. Was it a Scotland game or a Celtic game you were at? Maybe different fans naturally didn't really know the way the queue normally snakes & it ended up like that. Although sometimes on rare occasions the queues at Celtic games in my own section can go differently to how they normally go. It's the sheep affect. Someone stands in the wrong bit and the next person just blindly stands behind them. Stewards should maybe do more in terms of crowd control here.0
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You'll struggle to get 54 to hold his hands up and admit he was wrong. That's Be'er Sheva now beaten Inter Milan home & away as well as eliminating a good Premiership side. Not bad for a wee pub team eh.