Davie Bhoy
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From an example of some of the largest to one of the smallest seated stands in Scottish football. Does anyone know of a smaller seated stand than the one at Fraserburgh Utd? It looks like a stiff breeze would blow it over. Its in quite an open area quite exposed to the elements in winter so it must be pretty robust considering where it is.
Was that pic of Celtic Park taken in 410? Looks like my section only I'm a couple of rows in front of the pillars.0 -
Aberdeen don't sell the seats directly behind pillars in the main stand and merkland. There are no restricted view seats for home fans in the south stand and parts of the away end are slightly obstructed by the fence.
It's completely unnecessary for any fan in Celtic Park to be in the restricted view sections given that the stadium hasn't been full for the past 5 seasons (apart from maybe the last seats sold for Euro games) so I don't know why any Celtic fan would choose to sit behind the pillar for home games given that there are better seats available.
They don't have to be directly behind the pillar. Anywhere behind it offers a restricted view of some sort. It's not just the fence in the away end, it's the fact that both the home & the away fans tend to stand up that restricts the view too. You can't see a big section down to the left hand side of the pitch.
We haven't had a full ground but we have still sold around 40,000 season tickets although your correct, there have been plenty of unrestricted view seats available. Not sure how many as there are pillars in the upper tier of the North Stand.0 -
the whole structure needs extra support outwith game day as this video shows.
They put these supports in after each game, one at each end.
I wonder if this was an addition or has it always been like this.
Exactly mate. This is why I'd like to see Celtic get round to putting a new roof and support in at some point so we can do away with the support beams that offer a restricted view. Not sure how it would work and what could be done. Would imagine it'd be a pretty difficult job.0 -
You are determined to derail this thread aren't you?
You are the one who can't accept my opinion and continue to argue the toss with me about it so it's not me derailing it. Might want to look in the mirror there.Are you talking about a handful of Celtic fans or every Celtic supporter has sat in that away section? So if a few Celtic fans including yourself have restricted viewing then you should be sympathetic to away fans that come to Celtic Park and can't see the whole pitch, but then also you had the choice to move seats. We are held in a small narrow area and we can't all sit in the same seat. I'm struggling to see why you are going on and on about this.
Thousands of Celtic fans have experienced this. I'll give you the clue again....the Celtic fans in the other corner adjacent to the main stand face the same thing every game too. I disagree that fans can't move, I've seen loads of away supports visit Celtic park and they could all comfortably move to seats that offer an unrestricted view in their area. I'm not buying it that the stewards prevent anyone from moving.Which grounds in the Premiership are you talking about and who are you talking about?. And how do you know which fans sit in stands with what you regard as restrictive viewing who also visit Celtic Park and then complain about it? You can't mean Random Guy and myself, surely not??
I'm speaking in general. Aberdeen only has one stand that doesn't have some sort of restricted view, Tynecastle has it in the main stand. In fact I've already listed the stadiums that have the restricted views be it home or away fans stuck behind it. Restricted viewing is not something that is exclusive to Celtic Park.
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Daviebhoy take it the picture with the bricks is the main entrance? What year??
Yes mate. The front was built to celebrate the centenary season so I'm assuming it was done in the 86/87 season. I remember it was actually in place for the centenary season and was the front picture on the programmes that season.0 -
So yet again I'm wrong but you still agree with me. When will this end?
No, I agreed partly with one of your points but disagreed with your claim that our own fans don't experience it which is not true. Which part of that is it you're struggling with?What is the point in your argument and protests towards fans of other clubs having to put up with the shite view from the away end at Celtic Park? Looks to me like you're picking an argument for arguments sake. Can you see why the crap view from the away end puts of supporters from other clubs coming to your ground. I have in the past seen more Aberdeen and more Dundee Utd fans in the way end at Inverness than at Celtic Park for a league game, that says a lot.
The only protest is the hypocrisy of the fans who quite happily sit in restricted views in their own ground for 19 games a season but who spend all season whinging on here about the restricted view at Celtic Park. It's highly hypocritical.
I do understand why some fans choose not to go but the simple solution is to buy the tickets that don't offer a restricted view. There are plenty of them.
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Does anyone have a picture of the original Celtic Park? Been trying for a while now to find one but had no luck.
How far back? These good for you?
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Agreed that it seems they do it out of spite, but bizarrely, on our last two visits they've moved us along. I know it was especially small crowds on both days, but there must've been other games with similar crowds that I can't remember seeing away fans moved for their benefit.
It's not out of spite. That section is where our family section is & there are things set up for the kids down below there. Obviously the season tickets for that section aren't valid for cup games so it's easier to relocate them for one game but trust me, we don't usually get the same number of away fans that you see in that picture, so not worth the while.0 -
Daviebhoys utter refusal to accept the blatant fucking fact that the away fans at Celtic Park have an utterly brutal view is infuriating. Stop trying to argue with folk who actually have to suffer the fucking thing.
More lies. Read back & you'll see that I recognise there are some poor restricted view seats & empathise with anyone who gets one of those seats but cut the crap that every seat in the away section is a poor one. It quite clearly isn't the case.0 -
I'm wrong, but you agree with me???
If you read my posts properly you would read that I have no issue with pillars, its with that Main Stand wall that blocks the view of the far side of the pitch. Stop fixating on the pillars please, you'll get no sympathy. And that isn't a pillar in the stand at Ibroke its a large no smoking sign, they need telt and reminded. You can get a small view of the away section opposite in that photo, looks like the only thing that could be blocking a view of the pitch is the line of stewards making sure the hundred or so away fans behave with 40k or so Rangers fans on all sides of them. There has been one football ground where the bloody stewards get in the way of your view of the pitch, can you guess where?
Yes you're wrong to suggest our fans don't have to experience the view. Also I did read your post correctly but if you read mine correctly, I made it clear I wasn't confining this argument to just the away section or what actually causes the restricted view. A restricted view is a restricted view.0 -
Just going from personal experience.
Ibrox has none, you sit in the corner and see the whole pitch. Tynecastle has none, sit behind the goal and see the whole pitch. Victoria Park, placed behind the goal and see the whole pitch. Dens, put behind goals and see the whole pitch. Pittodrie, a wee mesh fence but you can still see the whole pitch. Fir Park, behind the goal can see the whole pitch. Rugby Park and Firhill, posts which cut out 1/15th of the pitch.
Celtic Park has a concrete wall that cuts out a chunk of the pitch, including one of the goals. I paid £26 to watch the game on the large screen in the stadium. Value for money wise, its a terrible stadium.
Its not just the concrete wall but its the position of the seats, facing the goal and touchline for some reason instead of facing the pitch, so you end up having to twist your body just to face the play. I agree with you on the away ends of all you mention, I have sat or stood in all of them and they are not a problem. Dens if there are very few of us, they tend to put you in the Main Stand far side near where the players come out onto the pitch. This is not perfect but its still better than Celtic Park.
There really isn't an argument there from objecting Celtic fans, we experience it, they don't.
Like I said though, I'm not talking about just the bit the away fans sit in. I'm just talking about for some fans in general. Ibrox does have an awful restricted view as you can see it the picture. Funnily enough, the Rangers fans are about the only fans I never hear moan about the seats that are affected by the restricted view seats at Celtic Park.
My point is that fans moan about it, but Hearts just played at Firhill at the weekend where they are put in an out of date main stand that has restricted views & yet it's not an issue. You also have fans watching their team at home over 19 games & they never moan about the restricted views their own grounds have. This is why I find it a touch hypocritical when people complain about the restricted view at Celtic Park.
CityDave, you're also wrong because our own fans do experience it. I've been in there for a friendly game years ago v Sporting Lisbon & I agree that the seats affected were awful. I just got up & moved seats. So I can empathise with the away fans as it was an awful view. However since then, Celtic took those seats out of use, leaving just the backs remaining. You can actually see the angle from my seat facing it of the seats out of use. There are still a number that have a restricted view but not nearly as bad as those ones did & it is just a small number. Not all the seats in that away section are affected.
In addition to saying our fans don't experience it, you have to remember that the main stand has another pillar on the other side of the stand where the Celtic fans are, so they do experience it.
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Bold.
What restricted views have ICT, Hamilton or St Johnstone? How many of rest - who, granted, have stands with posts - have genuine 'restricted views'? How many apply to away stands?
Other than Celtic Park, You have restricted viewing at the following grounds...
Ibrox, Tynecastle, Victoria Park, Dens Park, Pittodrie, Fir Park, Rugby Park & Firhill all have them. If you want you can add New Douglas Park for the fans in the gazebo. The restricted view is as bad as where your seat is. If you're sat right behind even a thin post it's be a more restricted view than if you are say 10 seats further back from the same post.
Pittodrie doesn't have any restricted views due to posts/pillars in the away end but the view is a poor one for away fans. Equally I remember sitting in a stand at Tannadice that had no restricted views but the design with the barriers in front & how it was badly designed with fans going past to go to the toilet every few mins meant the view was often obstructed. However it again would only have affected a small number of fans.
Regardless of it being in the visiting fans end, my point is that it's hypocritical of fans to moan about restricted views at Celtic Park when their own grounds have them.0 -
I mention this in every matchday thread away to Celtic, and not one of them seems to believe its true. £26 for a ticket and I could only see, at best, three quarters of the pitch. Stewards refused to let us move aswell.
Horrific stadium.
I have been in that away corner & I have admitted that the seats that are blocked by the pillar are awful & I fully agree with those fans who complain about it. It's something I'd like to see sorted but then Celtic are not going to spend £m's just to get a new roof & the support beams sorted for just 200 visiting fans from Killie, Hamilton etc.
That said, it is just a small % of seats affected and too many fans just use it to justify their reasons for not going to Celtic Park. As you can see from the Aberdeen fans at the weekend, very few of their fans would've been affected by any sort of viewing problems. Maybe if other clubs brought similar numbers as the Aberdeen & Hearts fans do, they could all get together to complain about it to their club to get on to Celtic & maybe something would get done about it.
Like I said though, just about every club in the premiership has restricted viewing at their own ground.
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I love the Sky Box at Celtic Park. Gives a wee bit of uniqueness to our stadium as well as one of the last links to the old stadium I stood and watched the Hoops in as I was growing up.
Was lucky enough to finally get to see inside it during one of the many tours I have done of the stadium & was amazed to hear the tour guide say how it used to be the media who went up there until Fergus McCann came to the club and realised the best seats in the house were being given to the media for free. He changed it into two large hospitality suites & now they charge a fortune for them.
I asked the guide how much they cost and he says that even if you were a lottery winner you wouldn't get them because it's the same two companies who have held them for years & they get first refusal on them but keep renewing & paying mega bucks for them.
If ever we do get round to building another tier on the main stand, I hope they retain the Sky Box in it.0 -
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Surely the Lying King should be listened to?0 -
It's not hard luck when it happens consistently.
Scottish teams can dominate games against teams like Brondby, Kairat, Maribor, Minsk but the problem is that they don't know what to do when in the lead nor to finish off a match when they're in control.
Aberdeen managed 1 goal in 180 minutes of football against Maribor, after dinking a penalty, and missing several golden opportunities at home and away. Hibs, couldn't score at home in a game where Brondby had two chances in the entire match.
It doesn't happen consistently though IMHO. Usually if one of our clubs go out, they deserved to...not always but prob 7-8 times out of 10. This season, Aberdeen & Hibs can feel aggrieved that big calls went against them, although I agree that they need to accept their own share of the blame for not turning their dominance into goals & taking their chances.
Celtic were kinda fortunate in the game v Astana that their players lacked the knowledge to not go throwing tackles in the box otherwise they might've been in the draw for the CL today despite us dominating the game.0 -
And people didn't believe me!
I'm so fucking tired, so I'll post a full update tomorrow morning
Surprised Brondby knocked out Hertha Berlin. Hibs deserves to knock them out and but for poor officiating they would've.
Dunno if that means Hibs are better than we think or Brondby are worse.
What I do know is that we have one team left in Europe out of 4, & and 2 of the 3 who went out, deserved to progress. Seems like the usual hard luck stories for Scottish football.0 -
Celtic and Aberdeen's draws have helped our coefficient, however after Legia's win, Scotland are no closer to Poland and after Qarabag and Qabala's draws we're no further ahead of Azerbaijan
Pos. - Country - 16/17 - Total - Teams Left (Bold = CL)
15. Croatia - 2.550 - 22.625 - 4/4 - Dinamo Zagreb, Rijeka, Hajduk Split, Lokomotiva Zagreb,
16. Romania - 0.300 - 21.350 - 4/5 - Astra , Steaua Bucarest, Pandurii Targu Jiu, Viitorul Constanta
17. Austria - 2.250 - 20.225 - 4/4 - RB Salzburg, Rapid Wien, Austria Wien, Admira Wacker
18. Belarus - 2.875 - 19.750 - 3/4 - BATE, Torpedo Zhodino, Dinamo Minsk
19. Sweden - 2.250 - 19.225 - 2/4 - AIK, IFK Goteburg
20. Denmark - 3.120 -18.625 - 4/4 - FC Copenhagen, SonderjyskE, Midtjylland, Brondby
21. Norway - 1.375 - 18.325 - 1/4 - Rosenborg BK
22. Poland - 1.250 - 17.125 - 2/4 - Legia Warsaw, Zaglebie Lubin
23. Scotland - 2.125 - 16.675 - 2/4 - Celtic, Aberdeen
24. Azerbaijan - 2.125 - 15.625 - 2/4 - Qarabag, Qabala
The good news is that Poland look like they'll be down to a sole team in Europe as Zaglebie Lubin lost at home to SonderjyskE. If both Celtic and Aberdeen win next week and both Polish sides lose on the night Scotland will be up into 22nd place, and Scotland will gain a 0.5 or 1 pt bonus for Celtic's participation in the CL or EL groups stages. Plus any wins or draws count double from then onwards. Whilst APOEL need to overturn a 2-1 deficit to prevent Rosenborg from doing the same. Further up the table Romania look like they will be down to just three teams as Viitorul and Pandurii suffered pastings against Genk and Maccabai.
Edit: just noticed both Swedish sides lost tonight, they could easily lose all European competitors in this round.
Cheers mate, like reading your updates on this. Usually too time consuming to work out for myself so your work here is appreciated.0 -
Makes for grim reading0 -
Wonder when daviebhoy will return to tell us how dreadful Aberdeen scraping a victory was
Why would I mate. I fully expect Celtic to run out comfortable winners in the return leg but I won't try and deflect from the fact that tonight was an embarrassing defeat. Absolutely disgusted by the performance tonight.0 -
Apologies we didn't fill you, a lunatic Celtic fan, with hope
Listen mate, when it comes to Scottish clubs in Europe, I want them all to do well....well apart from one. Even then, if we're doing well I don't grudge them a wee run.
The fact is that given the draw, you should've done better. No amount of sarcastic replies from you or anyone else will change that.0 -
except Aberdeen won the tie
Yes, although it doesn't fill you with hope when they lose to a team who have never won a game in Europe.
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Oh here we go....more failure in Europe. If Celtic lost to a club with inferior resources like Aberdeen did, it'd be carve up time by the media. I suspect this will not receive the same attention.
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Favourite quirks of Scottish stadiums.
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On the subject of what you can see from your seat, I like the fact I can actually see Hampden from my seat at Celtic Park. Especially on the dark nights you can see the floodlights away in the distance.