banterman86

No. It was an assertion of fact.

Because you're calling an assertion of fact an opinion. It's mad. How about this - "scotland will be in an currency union" was an assertion in the white paper. Was that an opinion?

They are both assertions of fact. Not opinions, they aren't even close to being opinions. You;ve dragged this out rather than simply say 2good, the SNP won in 07 and 11 for a reason, they know what they're doing"

Yes, it is. the Yes newspaper Blackley talks about had a huge print run and was delivered across scotland. What went into that was a top level decision. You've tried to put it to bed by calling a statement of fact an opinion, for some bizzare reason. If i say Gary Linekar is a presenter on the BBC, is that a statement of fact or an opinion? Again, I have no idea why people have felt the need to play down his comments, or paint him as bitter. My reaction would have been "Good. these poeple know what they're doing"

Sorry - I'm saying he's making a statement of fact, an assertion, it isn't an opinion, he is saying something to be true. You seem to think it isn't, I'm asking if you think he's a liar. And again, i don't see why this is such an issue. The SNP should be calling the shots at Yes, there is no credible way the Greens or SSP are on the same level. This is a good thing for the Yes campaign.

I don;t need to ask Blackley, he has made a statement. And I have repeatedly said that he wasn't stating a "view" or an "opinion" but a fact. And I have repeatedly asked you if he's lying. David Moyes can be a biiter ex man u boss, taht would eb irrelavnt if he pointed out Ryan Giggs and Phil Neville were on his staff. Leaflets and posters that explcitly endorse the SNPs policies. This is simple stuff. Child care, which yes championed, has nothing to do with the transistion to independence.

No. i can;t speak for H_B but this entire conversation has been about top level stuff, not the RIC doing a mass canvas. They have endorsed everything in the white paper - from currency to pensions to child care to the monarchy.

the 2nd piece is from the Yes supporting Sunday Herald. That Stan Blackley article, which also appeared in the Yes-supporting Sunday herlad - saw him make statements of fact. Was he lying?

The evidence we have seen so far would suggest that H-B is correty - I can;t think of a single polciy "win" Harvie or Fox have got which the SNP didn;t already agree with - can you?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/snp-rebuffs-sheridans-bid-to-work-for-independence.19197582 http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/sheridan-frozen-out-of-yes-campaign.24489722 I can only go on what people with first hand experince are saying - Stan Blackley says the SNP effectively run the show, which is as it should it be given their clear talents

No he's not, the Yes campaign have ostracised Sheridan twice. they want nothing to do with him.

I am on this forum to pass time during work - pretty much nothing i say or talk about is important. I find it interesting for sure, and the conversation has succesully passed an hour or two. I suggest, with all due repsect, you stop taking langauge so literally.

Again, why so angry? I'm sure a campaign newspaper written by SNP peeps will be very good, given their proven abilty to develop arguments which are hugely persuasive to the Scottish electorate. The Greens and the SSP? No so much.

If this is the local grassroots campaigns, plenty of them will be delivering that newspaper that Blackley talked about....

Because the SNP are very good at winning elections. You should be happy they are in control of the campaign because they know how to win campaigns. Harvie and Fox wanted a seperate scottish currency and a scottish republic. the SNP overruled both so as not to spook middle scotland voter who they need in sepetmber, and who they have owned since 2007.

I wouldn't say improtant no. I find it very strange that yes voters want to downplay the role of the Scotland's top election winning party in the Yes Campaign in favour of the irrelavnce that are the SSP and the Greens, who have never won a constituency in Scotland despite having a national presence since 1999. It's the equiavalent of saying "No, Pep Guardiola isn't picking the team, Davie Moyes is"

H_B's postion is informed by Blackley's comments. go read them.

1.) I was talking about Blackley 2.) "Some SNP guy designed one leaflet" is not what blackley was saying

Because people seem to feel a need to deny it -

that's not what he said though. Again, what's the problem? the SNP are terrific at fighting elections - see 2011 - this is a good thing for Yes that they are dominating it.

You'd need to ask fellow yes voters here who seem perturbed by it. The SNP are the major independence party, they have a proven track record of winning elections, it;d be madness to not have them running the Yes show in favour of the Greens or the SSP. It makes complete sense to marginalise parties whose strategies have nevertaken them close to more than a protest vote in Scotland. But for some reason admitting this seems to bother people

the one who made clear assertions that SNP are producing Yes campiagn materials. Is he lying?

Eh? Either "the SNP is producing campaign materials for Yes" is true or not. It is not an opinion. It can clearly be proved or disproved. What is it?

"The SNP are producing campaign materials for Yes" is not an opinion, it is an assertion of fact. is he lying?

You don't have an opinion of something you assert to be true, It's either true or it isn't. Is he lying?