I didn't though did I? If I did then quote me. I said punish us but do it in a manner that will get the best deal for the creditors while still giving the message this club broke the rules and that will not be tolerated. Best way of doing that? 20 point penalty = first division income allowing us to come to some sort of CVA (surely a better one that will now (hopefully!) be agreed) and certain relegation to Div 2 which I feel is just as per my arguments in my original post.