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Even if it is, everyone needs to get over them, they've been in the top flight for years now and still the same moans about them. Totally agree with Hooch though, better teams complain about it being sticky, and not conducive to good football, slick passing to feet, shite teams complain about it being too slick (after all the rain we've had) as they can't pass it quickly to feet. Basically just an excuse to moan really, instead of just playing the conditions and getting on with it. Plenty grass pitches are shite just now and will give problems to teams playing on them, but the plastic ones constantly get moaned about. What i'd like is an actual study then a debate before a vote on them, so anyone making these claims can either be backed up or made to look full of shite. i'm betting there would be a decent percentage of the latter for most of the claims about them. Oh and also have a like for like study for grass pitches, because they're getting a free pass here, when some of them are a lot worse. Then maybe we could just have the chat about the football game and not constantly have these tedious plastic pitch topics coming up on match threads.

Think your safe. That subs bench is thin looking, nae CB cover.

While we're waiting on the pitch inspection at 1pm.

Would have to be 30pts to help us, and they'd still prob get back above us by the final game.

Only read this page and can't be arsed reading through the thread, sorry if it was covered already.

Was that Dundee's opinion, or did they have a ref deciding it was playable then?

Doubt we'll win, but we might f**k your bet up and draw, same as we did the last game at home against them. Think it's prob worth the risk sticking something on an Aberdeen win though, as well as being shite, and Martindale playing players out of position and not playing Anderson for more than a couple of minutes a game, we're struggling with injuries. Which all points to a freak result with Livi winning 1-0.

Cheers, didn't know how they did it in England, just knew they didn't have a ban now. Is it just Scotland that still bans alcohol being sold inside grounds during a game? Feels weird when i went to a Scotland rugby game at Murrayfield, and walked past policemen into the stadium carrying a couple of plastic bottles of beer, really felt like i was doing something wrong. c***s have got me conditioned into that thinking after years of the ban being imposed on the football fans.

The Ultras at least bring positivity to games with their singing and support for the players, even when we went behind, something the toxic moaners that shout abuse all game could learn from. The chucking things at Stewards, or anyone else though, has no excuses. Hopefully that doesn't happen again. The group that moan and shout abuse all game are just too toxic, i don't know if that would stop once Martindale was away, or it would just carry on for whatever target they feel deserves it next. They seem to be having a good time shouting abuse and having a laugh about it to one another, but it doesn't create a good match day experience.

You'd think it would anyway, maybe not straight off but if after a season there were no major incidents there'd be a good argument for it. Tbh i don't think there still should be a ban anyway, the introduction of seated stadiums made a difference to how fans watched games too, however the erse cheek fans get away with ignoring that rule too. Really it should only be Celtic and The Rangers fans banned from buying alcohol inside grounds, but the authorities were/are too weak to impose the ban exclusively on them.

True, not sure they'd be brave enough to introduce mixed seating and exclude those two, esp if it meant you could then be allowed to sell alcohol inside grounds during games. Would be karma if they did though, was because of their fans everyone else had the alcohol ban imposed on them in the first. place.

You've misunderstood me if you thought i was saying that behaviour was entitlement. I've said what their entitlement was in a prev post, thinking we were a top 6 Premiership club, or even a Premiership standard club, that should be in the top flight all the time, we're not, we haven't the fanbase to be. We're Championship standard at best. Lets not start excusing throwing broken seats at Stewards because other teams have fans doing it, i started supporting Livi so i could take my daughter to games with me, and would like to take my grandkids too, i wouldn't have if that sort of shite went on at our games, and it hasn't for the 27 years i've been going to games, till now. I agree we have a great behaved support, which is a big part of why i've loved following Livi, i've taken my at the time 84 yo mother in Law to away cup games, she was at the 2004 cup final win too, along with my wife, daughter, dad and some friends, i've never felt embarrassed with our support, but i did up in Dingwall. It's a small group, but it's loud and abusive, and others are joining in, i wouldn't like that to continue and grow till it's a real problem. Just now it's putting me off going to away games, bad enough the football we're playing, and even the moaning from those fans is understandable, if not tiresome after a while, but the constant abuse and swearing, that's not in any way what i'm used to from Livi fans at games, not that level. I can swear and have the odd moan myself, you get caught up in the emotion of the game, that's accepted at football, but this just now is beyond that, and it just isn't a pleasant experience seeing it at our away matches. We've built ourselves around being a family friendly club, where kids can go to games, and we're trying to encourage new young fans along, if an adult brought their kids to our away games for the first time, i seriously think it would put them off coming back.

I've seen otherwise. And c**t and bawsack is only a small part of what i've heard shouted at away games towards Martindale. Not just to him either, they shouted abuse at stewards too, and a broken seat was chucked onto the pitch just missing a steward. I've never seen that level of abuse and behaviour before in all the years i've followed Livi, till last season (that's got even worse this season), quite frankly i wouldn't be taking young kids to away games with that going on.

We've started youth players at that level right enough, Jack Hamilton was on loan for 6 month to a junior team before moving up to a 4th tier SPFL team. Would be a decent level to get younger players used to the physicality of the Men's game.

Could've just done something similar to the Women's team and hooked up some sort of deal with Livi Utd. Sure i read something about our Women's team being tied to Blackburn's Women's/girl's team. Don't know the ins and outs of it and how it works though.

It's an interesting debate, having mixed seating at football, i can see a lot of pros and cons, and not sure if long term, once people accepted it and got used to it, if it would actually be better. Would certainly be more civilised, and prob have alcohol allowed back into the stadiums during matches. The whole tribalism in grounds would be broken up, which would stop incidents happening inside the ground with things boiling over. Big spanner in the works would be The Rangers and Celtic supports, there is no way on earth mixed seating would work, for home games who in their right minds would feel safe sitting in amongst their fans at Celtic Park and Ibrox, they'd still have 50 or 60 thousand fans there, so you couldn't really break it up enough for it to work. Even at their away games it wouldn't seem practical, you just couldn't trust them to behave and not start a fight.

How long have you posted on football forums?

The footballing masochist in me wants to see us win this game, then take something off Hearts at Tynecastle, hope County lose their next 2 games, and seeing us playing them at home in the first post split fixture, being just 6pts behind them, just to make it interesting still. Then reality kicked in and slapped me on the head telling me not to be so fucking stupid. Yengi up front is about all i can predict from our starting line up, hopefully MacKay is fit to start too, at least with his pace helping Yengi we'd have some form of goal threat. Even though Aberdeen are no great shakes this season, they've got good goal scorers, which should be enough to beat us, so for once i'd love it if Martindale just threw caution to the wind and set us up to go score goals and f**k playing to try and stop Aberdeen scoring.

You got to wonder if some of our fans have supported us in the lower leagues the way their top flight entitlement was off the scale the last 2 seasons. Not just top flight entitlement too, top 6 entitlement, those back to back top 6 finishes really got some of our fans thinking that was our expected level. Nobody likes having a season like this, but we're actually lucky the other 5 seasons were extremely comfortable, being well away from the bottom 2 dog fight, just look at Accies time in the top flight, they're about the same level as us fanbase wise, and were scrapping in a few play offs, never getting in the top 6, which was what i expected us to be doing too when we came up. We've seen Hearts (twice), Hibs, Utd (twice), Killie, Dundee, all being relegated, all more established top flight credentials, with bigger fanbases, staying up 6 seasons for teams like us and Accies*, is pretty incredible really. *can't remember if Accies had 7 seasons in the Premiership.

Doctors, Teachers, lecturers etc get some protection from arseholes giving them abuse too though, there is a duty of care to those working in these professions. People get struck off patient lists for abusing staff in Doctor's surgeries. Football there are fans shouting all sorts of unsavoury abuse at managers and board members when things aren't going well at a club. Refs get dogs abuse too, then criticized by some managers to gaslight it further. There are a few fans in our away crowd that go over the score with the language towards Martindale, Ward is on his private twitter and not using the club's official one, but yeah, it's still ill advised to call those fans p***ks, even though he's 100% correct. He could've chosen better words and said they were way out of order and their behaviour was unacceptable though. My mate even mentioned it up in Dingwall, how different it was just now in our away crowd, and we've both supported Livi for many years, through a lot of troubled times, some of those times a lot worse than this.

Fans get so precious when they get some back, the stuff i've heard them call Martindale at away matches, saying they're p***ks is being quite reserved.

Is this part of Dundee's just say no campaign.

Really. Sevco, Hearts, Motherwell, Dundee, and quite a few lower league clubs in the same boat, either with admins or liquidation.

Sorry was just reading through this thread and couldn't help quoting this post for obvious reasons, glad i wasn't having a cup of tea there, i'd have spat it out reading that BIB.

Yeah there's too much uncertainty to predict how we'll do next season. Don't know who will be in control of the club, or their plans for the future, seems either party will need to get a new owner with some cash or investment plan. Or who the manager and backroom staff will be, and we're needing a big rebuild getting a competitive squad together. There'll be the parachute payment, but with all these court cases will it be eaten up like the cash we made from the cup games, or will it be spent on the team budget. Main objective will be consolidation to stay up, then see where we are to build on that for the following season.