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All of the shouts I heard yesterday were against the manager. I don’t recall too many, if any, individual things aimed at players. The stuff aimed at the manager was pretty brutal. It’s subjective as to whether it’s over the top or not. It’s not stuff I would say, but I don’t have fire in me to get that het up about it. If Hastie thinks it is out of order then fair enough. That’s his opinion. Where he is wrong is when he says that fans shouldn’t question losses. That’s wilder than the Serengeti.

Thanks man. The fear I have for next season (and beyond) is genuine. Back to back relegations would not surprise me at all. Yesterday was my first visit to Easter Road in I don’t know how long. The place has a mystique that is indescribable. Sitting there knowing that you’re yards away from where Jock Buchanan made history, Napoli getting destroyed 5-0, all that stuff. There’s a giant there.

Indeed they did. Apparently there’s a really deep meaning to it, something to do with Ken Bates’ time at Leeds - think our lads were just doing it for a laugh. They do it regularly though. Again, the stewards were doubled over at it. Must’ve been a different shift from the bile they dealt with last week.

Gallows humour at its finest in the second half. All the hallmarks of a support who’ve watched turgid pish for however long, culminating in the fantastic “let’s pretend we scored a goal”. Stewards were pishing themselves.

Let’s be clear here, he isn’t suffering. He’s a wealthy man with many trappings of success and a happy family life. And he’s certainly not suffering because a guy who he’s never met doesn’t like his past and can’t/won’t see beyond it.

I disagree entirely and will leave it at that, if that’s ok with you.

He will hang around, and he’d be within his rights to have a go at people, whether he is right or wrong. He loves the club and hates it being denigrated by opposing fans or our own. He backed Massone quite publicly back in the day, and was ridiculed, but is still there now. I think he’s wrong to have a go at fans (paying or not), but I respect his right to have a go.

I never once said that he’d made excuses for his crimes, but seeing as you’ve framed it that way, I’ve read numerous articles where it’s said that he turned to a life of crime to make up for losses he suffered when a boozer that he ran was burnt down and uninsured. So he blamed circumstance there.

I don’t normally read too much into post match interviews, from any manager. They’re usually full of cliches like “go again next week” or some other guff. Over the couple of post match interviews I’ve seen this evening though, Martindale has said that he’s taking responsibility, whilst at the same time blaming “individual errors”. I’ve deliberately kept my thoughts on him to myself since he came into the club. I didn’t go over the top with praise for him when we were in the top 6, whilst at the same time admitting that getting us there was an incredible feat. I’ll admit that for me, it’s a personal thing. I don’t like his character, his (alleged) man management methods I can’t stand, and his criminal past repulses me. He didn’t make mistakes - his crimes were deliberate and calculated. I’m aware that I might sound petty or narrow minded in that view but frankly, after today, I don’t give a shit. That he is still in post is a joke. I know why though - it’s because he’s in control of the lot. Only thing is, he’s in control of something that is wildly out of control.

A first half horror show the likes of which I haven’t seen from Livi in god knows how long. We’re going to be doing well to get another point this season, never mind a win.

Both rotten.

You would bring the house down at many a Faculty dinner dance with that one. Bravo.

It's not the top clubs though, is it. If my granny had baws etc. There are a few mainstream journalists (Tom English on Sportsound, Stephen McGowan at the Daily Heil) who have made mention of our troubles, but those mentions have either been sensationalist comments or regurgitation of what is already out there. McGowan took the statement from the club following Rankine's court appearance, added a couple of forthcoming court dates, threw in no quotes from anyone and put out a piece which went over two pages. I'm definitely with you though in wondering what the end games is for Hogarth/Rankine.

Depends who you mean by the press I suppose. If you mean the written press, our local paper is in its final throes, the national dailys are the same (and constantly in thrall to bigger clubs). Social outlets like PLZ and that kind of guff are not interested in behind the scenes intricacies.

I read about this a few weeks ago. It's a subject close to my heart as I suffer from Crohns, and have done since I was 7. Wonderful advances in medicine mean that invasive surgery isn't the go to treatment option any more (too late for me sadly), but there isn't a bona fide cure for either Colitis or Crohns, nor do they know for definite how people come to suffer from it. Knowing how the disease has impacted on my life means that I can categorically say that, for me, Jack Fitzwater is a genuine Livi Legend. He's been through hell.

Really? You don’t see the glaring error in That?

It’s a little bit more than just giving advice. Especially when it comes to evidential proofs. It’s about building and presenting a case with the intention of winning, no matter the standard of evidence you’re given by your client. It was built and presented shambolically, and that is NOTHING to do with LFC. That’s not nitpicking, itself pointing out a glaring error made on your part. Leaving all that aside, and this is purely my opinion - LFC could have won their case, if they had different legal representation.

I did read the judgement. The case was flawed for many reasons. It was you though who said that the club didnt put a coherent case together. I’m merely pointing out your mistake there.

It’s not Livingston’s fault either. It’s the job of their legal representatives to build a case, no one else.

This could be said of any pundit/presenter/commentator nowadays. I remember reading of a BBC MOTD production meeting held on a Monday morning following a weekend full of goals, incident etc. Despite the ratings being good, the bosses were raging that their social media interactions were lower than the week before. It's like Peter Drury - folk (not me) love his "ROMA HAVE RISEN FROM THEIR RUINS" schtick when they watch the goal on Twitter. Listen to it for a full game approaching two hours? f**k no.

I wouldn’t be so sure.

60 points for someone that age is helluva good scoring chief

A long serving player synonymous with the club should be the first/only criteria for managing in the #Barclays. Ideally, the individual should also have experience of playing in "the greatest league in the world" as well. Liverpool - Stevie G. Manchester United - Eric Cantona. Spurs - Gary Mabbutt. Praying for Southampton to get promoted so that Le Tiss has to take the hot seat.

David Gilroy posting from the jail IMHO. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Suzanne_Pilley

It’s not that they lost, it’s the way they did it.