Burnie_man

Personal attacks now Marshy, so predictable.

Obviously George Fraser has a better understanding of the situation than many on here who's main agenda is humiliating Junior football. Providing a baggage free, new start, independent WoSFL is not humliating anyone, providing clubs with a choice of what league to play in is not humiliating anyone. Nice spin though.

And they totally bombed it out the window, and last year, and before that, they even chucked in a dose of racism. Why the change of heart? The LL have a very workable plan and should stick to it, no compromises, no baggage, fresh start.

There's no solution required. They join or they don't join, and SJFA membership is left at the door. I don't actually think that is what is really stopping them anyway.

LOL dear me, if there is anything I'm not is blinkered. Perhaps try looking at the bigger picture and wonder why so many Junior clubs willingly left the SJFA. The clubs left behind chose to do so, do you understand that? their free choice, they still have over 2 weeks to apply for next season. Their CHOICE, nobody is forced to do something they don't want. You're still not answering any of the questions I posed. Where is the CHOICE in the west? is every single club willing to move? Another thing, when is the SJFA EGM to approve any of this, same with WRJFA? none of this can move forward until that point. After 31st March per chance?

It's been an unmitigated success yes. Clubs who moved have never looked back and really enjoyed it. Clubs who do not want to move - as is their right - have continued as is. Interesting the term "promised land" is used, that's what Pyramid detractors normally decribe it as. If west clubs want to come over en-masse as every single club thinks the Pyramid is the way forward then great but.... Do you believe all 63 clubs are fully engaged with moving and want to move? the evidence suggests not. If they are, why the need to remain SJFA members and not fully break the ties? clubs in the east did not feel that was a show stopper. If not, why are the clubs not being given the choice to remain Junior? Must you all think the same or be damned?

I wouldn't think there's any chance of that happening. Just another example of why this won't work, leave the baggage behind. Nobody has yet explained why east clubs can leave it behind, but west clubs demand it be brought along.

Yip, and him and his like will crow about still being Junior clubs, and the right to be SJFA members and play in the Junior Cup will be defended vigirously and will be a weeping sore inside the Pyramid.

Bang on.

It will have a longer way to go if it isn't given the chance by having all LL and LL feeder league clubs play in it. How about change the name to SFA Trophy, tie it up with Scottish Cup sponsorship, play final at Hampden. That is an idea being banded around. There's no intention of dropping it in favour of the Junior Cup, and it is not in the gift of the WRJFA to provide access to non-Junior clubs. It comes with baggage, and divides.

Just spotted this. So is Ronney saying there WILL be Junior football in the West of Scotland? will they keep banging the drum that they are Junior clubs because they get to retain SJFA membership? Toxic divide?

It's about getting on with a truly independent league in the west as exists in the east without any of the old baggage. That is (or was) the LL proposal and it was a popular one. Again, why can't clubs in the west accept that moving into the Pyramid means leaving behind the Junior Cup and the SJFA? the clubs in the east are doing it and have never looked back, why do the west clubs want to retain the comfort blanket? There is no farce in the east, clubs have a choice to stay Junior or move into the Pyramid, it is open to all. No club should be forced to play in a league they don't want to.

You haven't explained the rationale of bringing this division into the Pyramid, which will then be defended beligerantly by those who wont ever fully embrace their new environment.

Shouldn't the WRJFA remain for them though? it's as much their league as anyone elses and if they are anti-Pyramid and want to remain Junior, will they be kicked out? As said above, Petrie's mantra has always been no club should be forced to moved to a league they don't want to. Is this just something else to be ignored (like the ERJFA and NRJFA).

This proposal continues the divide but withing the Pyramid and for what benefit? to retain SJFA membership and the Junior Cup. As I said above, if 30 (soon to be 38+) clubs in the east can leave all that behind, why can't those clubs in the west who want to join the Pyramid? If clubs don't want to leave it behind then they remain Junior, it's entirely their choice. Just like it is in West Lothian with the majority of clubs wishing to stay Junior. What happens if there are a dozen WRJFA clubs who don't want to move to the Pyramid like WL? are they f*cked with no league to play in?

It does make you wonder why there was such a change in 48 hours between a beligerant WRJFA meeting with healthy doses of fighting talk and anti-LL sentiment, and the PWG where there was no such thing and all of a sudden "common ground"

No, what it is, is the west Junior clubs wanting their cake and eating it. 30 ex-Junior clubs have properly embraced the Pyramid in the east, left Junior football behind and have made a complete success of it with no outside influences as baggage, more clubs will follow that path next season. Why can't west clubs accept that is how it is if you want to be part of the Pyramid? (or at least, should be?) There is the option of remaining Junior and staying with the SJFA if some clubs don't fancy it. That is how it should be,

Spot on. This was the declaration given to clubs on Tuesday. Remember this was the meeting where there was talk of legal action and shouts of "F*ck the LL". Sounds like all four of their "demands" have been met, can someone point out the compromise here? The LL need to stick to their declared intention of establishing an independent WoSFL free from the influence of outside parties and open to all clubs equally. Anything else is hitting reverse and ends up a fudge.

The independent WoSFL set-up by the LL enables clubs to join the Pyramid and progress. The WRJFA enables clubs to remain members of the SJFA and play in the Junior Cup.

There's a world of difference between Regions agreeing to seek entry as individual organisations (as should have happened a while back), than the WRJFA reneging on the agreed mandate and cutting the other two loose and then volunteering up the Junior Cup to non-members with absolutely no authority or involvement of the other Regions, or the SJFA. So, when do the ERJFA and NRJFA get a say?

The SJFA/WRJFA had their chance and consistently threw it back in the faces of the Pyramid leagues for years. The LL set in motion a plan that should have happened at least 2 years ago, they can easily deliver it, they can easily attract sufficient members to make it a success right from the start. I'm not sure why they aren't continuing down that path. Another open goal missed in this whole saga.

It's not in the gift of any one individual at the WRJFA to deliver it, they seem to have gone rogue and have completely forgotten the fact that the ERJFA and NRJFA exist, and it's every much their Junior Cup as anyone else's. Meanwhile the normally vocal TJ remains quiet. The SJFA would also be required to approve these changes at EGM given that (in theory at least) the WoSFL would not consist of Junior clubs. As you say, we should be aiming for an enhanced South Challenge Cup, that would not happen in these circumstances. LL/EoS/SoS in CC, WoS in JC. If you want to remain an SJFA member and play in the Junior Cup, stay with the Juniors. If you want to join the Pyramid and play senior football, join an independent WoSFL.

Says you.

Says me When do the ERJFA and NRJFA get a say in all of this?

Nope. Red line. A fully independent WoSFL is the way forward, the LL can set this up and invite applications and it will happen. This is a very uneccesary distraction to moving forward. EDIT: when do the ERJFA and NRJFA get a say in all of this?