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Creamola Foam.
Angel Delight.
Just as I wrote the above, I could feel my mouth beginning to water......
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5 hours ago, TxRover said:
In the post 1948 war environment, only Jordan effectively accepted and integrated some Palestinian refugees. Since then, further Palestinians have been ghettoized in Jordan with significantly fewer rights.
IIRC from long ago, the PLO when they were in Jordan, began to destabilise the country. Eventually the late King Hussain had to send his own army against them.
Presumably that history is part of the rights thing.
Also, I remember reading something, a biography/autobiography, about Hussein. He said that he had spent half of of his reign on board planes,
flying to and from this capital and that capital..., trying to keep things from kicking off more than they did.
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".. The US is trying to be an honest broker....." ( ref. Blinken's trotting round various governments..)
Bit surprised to hear that said by one of the main presenters, on CH 4 news a few moments ago.
Could hardly believe my ears.
In no way is the US an honest broker. The IDF assaults end the moment that the US says.... "Enough, stop now.."
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5 hours ago, Highlandmagar said:
Israelis have been terrorising, ghettoing , starving and killing Palestinians for years. Yes, what Hamas done was utterly despicable, but let's not blind ourselves to the fact that Israel have built a more terrible hatred of the younger generation of Palestinians by their actions while the world has looked the other way. Remember that the British caused the middle east mess in the first place.
Hard to disagree with that. Arabs are routinely referred to as rodents in the Knesset, parliament of Israel .
Can't agree that Israelis are the modern day Nazis, odious though the behaviour of the state of Israel has been for decades.
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'The Psychology of Money'
Timeless Lessons on Wealth, Greed and Happness
by Morgan Housel
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16 hours ago, greyman said:
And that's all you can do is sit back and watch.
Pro-palestine marches are being portrayed as being anti-Semitic. Of course there may be a proportion of those participating that are but to right off thousands of people standing against a genocide is mental. The likes of Rachel Riley portray one side of the arguement without leaving any room for contest as people are blocked........
........ All the while we sit back and watch the news, look at X or Instagram and there's nothing we can do about it.
I've written to my local MP, requesting that he demand an Immediate, and full ceasefire.
Each one of us has a vote, and your MP /MSP wants that vote next time around.
Which in the case of Westminster, is not very far away. .
I kept it simple for the sake of clarity.
I also post on a couple of other forums to express my views.
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1 hour ago, Raidernation said:
Had a thought the other day........ (I know!)
Lexus, Infinity and Acura are basically the Vanden Plas of their respective manufacturers. (Youngsters may need to look that one up)
Possibly the lowest point of the Vanden Plas name was when it was the pinnacle of the Austin Allegro range.
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Perhaps a wee read of this.....
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/mar/07/debunking-myth-that-anti-zionism-is-antisemitic
As it happens, I'm not anti-Zionist, because I've always felt Israel had and has a right to exist.
I have though, never particularly thought deeply about whether being anti-Zionist automatically means one is anti-Semitic.
Donathan, imo, isn't a moron. It's fairly obvious what he's up to.
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US military advisers going in.
One of them is a guy who was heavily involved in the US assault on the Iraqi city of Fallujah.
As I recall, Fallujah was essentially razed to the ground.
Also, the US has stated that now is not the time for a ceasefire.
If it wasn't before, looks fairly obvious now that the US/Israel intention is to destroy much of Gaza, and make it uninhabitable.
Still not a peep from our spineless political leaders.
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12 hours ago, Donathan said:
Purely out of interest, what were the general public attitudes in the UK towards the carpet bombing of Dresden and other German cities?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The 3 D's of avoiding accountability...
Deny, Diminish, Divert.
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33 minutes ago, Zetterlund said:
I was thinking along similar lines the other day. Of all the human beings I've ever crossed paths with in life, including many I disliked and some who I genuinely thought were very unpleasant people, I can't imagine any of them being capable of making the decision to drop explosives on other innocent human beings. .......
...........I can imagine on the battlefield, if you see some of your mates being blown apart it may suddenly become easier to do the same to the other side. But to sit from afar and give orders to reduce residential areas to rubble must take something far beyond normal human psychopathy
For context, it's not very difficult to find Arabs being referred to as rodents in the Knesset, the parliament of Israel.
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2 hours ago, Donathan said:
Is the strength of hatred between Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs as strong as the strength of hatred between Israeli Jews and Palestinian Muslims?
You're trying to create an equivalence between the oppressors and the oppressed.
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36 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:
So is lunch.
Not dinner though; no one has ever dinnered.
BATMAAAAN. Dinnah, dinnah, dinnah.......
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15 minutes ago, Jaggy McJagface said:
The balance of evidence in terms of the ballistics seem to imply it was in all likelihood a Gazan rocket rather than an Israeli airstrike, however the fact that the Israelis are clearly lying about or embellishing some aspects means you can be forgiven for not giving them the benefit of the doubt.
It’s a bit like the boy who cried wolf I suppose. The IDF have previous for completely making things up and blaming things on Palestinians, with the memory of the Al Jazeera journalist they killed being a perfect example.
The first casualty of war is truth, and I don’t think we should take Israeli or Hamas claims at face value as they both have a vested interest in lying about things.
The subject of my comment was a recording. And it was being examined by two experts, Palestinian ( I think ). Not Hamas.
They also referred to the horizontal arc of the missile that air exploded shortly before, as being not equating to it landing on the hospital.
As I recall, the Ch4 news segment ended with saying that the recording needed independent investigation.
Me ? It seems odd that if either Hamas or Islamic Juhad had access to something that could cause all that damage, they would
have used it long ago, rather than the rockets into Israel that they have typically used which have caused relatively minor damage to buildings,
and very, very occasionally a handful of deaths.
Er, yes, I have heard of the fog of war.
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12 minutes ago, Freedom Farter said:
You have your major media outlets, your political parties, and the benefactors of both all agreeing with you. Yet you're outraged that in this tiny, completely insignificant and powerless corner of the internet, you've come across some dissent.
I watched Ch4 news last night. They spoke to several people who survived the hospital blast. Those people said they had received warnings/threats from Israel over several days prior that the hospital would be attacked.
There was a recording presented by Israel that they said was part of a conversation between two Hamas people.
In it, one person said that the explosion was one of theirs. The other person said to blame it on Islamic Jihad.
Ch4 then said that they had presented the recording to two Palestininan ( I think ) experts who said it was fake , and obviously so.
Dialects, intonations all wrong.
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2 hours ago, Leith Green said:
Poorly worded by me but when Britain left and partition happened, many Palestinians lost their homes.
It's not as if they accidently mislaid them.
They were forced to leave.
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4 hours ago, TxRover said:
The ones oppressed in part because their leaders rejected the Oslo Accords? There’s blame all over, regardless of where you look.
Two people signed the Oslo Accords. Yasser Arafat of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO). And Yitzak Rabin for Israel.
Arafat had conceded to Israel about 60% of what Palestinians considered their territory. Even relative moderates felt he had betrayed them.
Yitzak Rabin was assassinated by right wingers in Israel who considered him a traitor for negotiating at all.
One of those who had called for Rabin to be killed is now the National Security Minister of Israel.
After the assassination of Rabin, the right wingers took a grip of Israel, first Ariel Sharon, then, and now Netanyahu.
Israel are occupiers. They are the oppressors.
No matter how you try to circumvent that.
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14 hours ago, TxRover said:
And you go back to the 30’s and the Jewish population around there was being killed, and they fortified rather than retaliated…so there is been tit for tat there for centuries.
As already said, this is now...
and there is no equivalence between the oppressed and the oppressors.
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17 hours ago, GTee said:
I know nothing about much of this. But who or what is Hamas. Is it a political party. Is there a leader. That's not an 'army' to go to war with. A bit like Al Qaeda was supposedly Osama Bin Laden. Not sure about ISIS. But can you go to war with an undefined enemy, which isn't an army. If Israel go for a 'ground war', who are they shooting?. Do Hamas wear uniforms.
The most powerful nation on earth along with us did a great job after 9/11 in Afghanistan. Well not really.
Who knows. An overall tragedy
Hamas grew out of the Muslim Brotherhood. That organisation was set up to promote Islam. Aside from the political and religious aspects,
the provision of social welfare has always been very much part of what they do. I believe the latter was also the case in Palestine, and was part
of how Hamas got democratically elected. As mentioned earlier the general population viewed the ruling party PLO as corrupt and self-serving.
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24 minutes ago, Freedom Farter said:
The tweet's caption reads "Documentation: A settler shot a Palestinian from point blank range in the village of At-Tuwani". There's an IDF soldier there who witnesses it and seems supportive of the settler's action. So while nothing like the catastrophe of Gaza, the West Bank situation is still grim.
Utterly appalling.
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2 hours ago, coprolite said:
If you want my constructive opinion on your view that there has to be a shared state, it’s that that’s what I’d expect someone with poo in their head to say, mr poopy poo poo head.
Dear, oh dear, oh dear.
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2 hours ago, coprolite said:
Like all law it protects the interests of the legislators first and foremost but there is still an established basis in treaties and the like.
The right to self determination is an established right in international law. It hasn't always been but has been a principle of the UN since it was founded. Self determination doesn't necessarily require a state though. It does, as you say, require a territory.
So when the likes of Stan say something along the lines of "clearly the Jews/Palestinians have a right to a homeland" he is speaking shite (legally).
A British Jew or a British ethnic Palestinian living in London or New York has no more of a right to a homeland where Israel currently is than I do.
I find it hard to see the argument for a moral right either. Stan's argument about why Jews should have a homeland could easily apply to Roma. They don't have the benefit of their history being in abook that's culturally significant to the ruling elite though. Do they have a right to a single territory based on a two millenia previous occupation? I'm not saying that Israel shouldn't exist or shouldn't be a home state for Israeli Jews but that assigning a state as a homeland for people worldwide just on the basis of common culture is dumb. This is less obviously shite than the legal position though and there are arguments.
I do agree that the current international legal order looks like it's creaking under the strain. But the makeshift and ad hoc nature of much of it might make it more robust. US v China trade shite might break bits of the WTO without affecting the UN too badly, for example.
Well, Stan Collymore's view seems a well put precis of history, and how things ought to be.
Yours is an analytic, legalistic takedown.
Do you have anything actually constuctive to contribute ?
Israel has spent the last X number of years doing its damndest to kill the idea of a two state solution.
I believe in the end, there has to be a shared state.
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1 hour ago, 101 said:
Israel cutting off food supply to the Gaza still would seem to be in direct contradiction to Humanitarian law.
Hopefully NATO or the UN can have a word and make sure Palestinians aren't starved to death.
The history of the various uprisings, and direct Arab/Israeli conflicts here is that when the Israelis have gained
the 'upper hand' , or have flattened huge chunks of Gaza......., a phone call comes through to Israel from
America, which says ... "That's enough...".
The US are the armourers, the financiers, the supplers of sateliite data ..... to Israel.
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Israel And The Palestinians (now with added Iran)
in The General Nonsense Forum
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I'd say that its really about freedom , and self-determination.