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Edinburgh Bus Station could be 'lost' over lease decision - BBC News
Edinburgh’s central bus station could be relocated to InglistonEdinburgh’s bus station could be forced to relocate after its owners told the city council its lease would not be extended.
Coal Pension Properties, which manages investments for former coal workers’ pension schemes, could look to sell the Elder Street site for housing. The local authority’s tenancy of the transport hub is due to expire in 2027. No replacement site has been identified, but the council’s transport spokesperson admitted the facility could be “lost”.
Councillor Scott Arthur the authority was “considering his options”. He said he was “disappointed that such a modern and well used piece of Edinburgh’s substitutable transport infrastructure may be lost”.
It is understood Ingliston Park and Ride could be used as a temporary measure if the station were to close, though councillors would prefer a site closer to the city centre.
The 18-stance station originally opened in 1957, but closed in 2000 as part of a £50m redevelopment project which also included the Harvey Nichols department store. A row over the fees for operators to use the station briefly threatened its reopening, with plans drawn up to move it to the nearby Waverley Railway Station in order to connect buses with train services. However it became operational again in February 2003 – four months after its initially scheduled completion date.
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It was very common for Scottish clubs to tour England the days either side of a Home Championship international at Wembley, but rare up here in the opposite years.
This was about the only example, today in 1970.
Hearts had just ended a decent campaign finishing 4th in Division One... although as Hibs finished above them this wasn't rewarded with European Fairs Cup entry (instead 5th place Dundee Utd and 7th place Kilmarnock both qualified - as 6th place Dundee also missed out) but only Texaco Cup participation; they went on to defeat Hibs in the East of Scotland Shield the next Friday to add silverware to the season.
Coventry were a force in English football during this period and had just finished 6th in top tier, which took them into Europe for the first time, in what would prove the last-ever edition of the Fairs Cup before it became the UEFA Cup.
Scotland-England finished 0-0 the following afternoon meaning a 3-way share of the title between England, Scotland and Wales.
Friday 24th April 1970
Heart of Midlothian 0-0 Coventry City
5,729
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Newburgh are RELEGATED
1 hour ago, Deanburn Dave said:Athletic can reach the Big Scottish with a victory v the South champions on Saturday.
*or a draw followed by winning the bonus point shootout
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2 hours ago, VictorOnopko said:
They did beat them in the cup final in 97/8 (?) at Celtic Park, which at the time was very funny. How many finals (and in recent years, semis) have they contested? Can't be that many, although I agree it's still a good stat.
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P20 W0 D3 L17 F14 A50
Sat 22 Mar 1930 SC SF Rangers 4-1 Hearts
Sat 30 Mar 1935 SC SF Hearts 1-1 Rangers
Wed 10 Apr 1935 SC SF r Rangers 2-0 Hearts
Sat 10 May 1941 SLC Fin Hearts 1-1 Rangers
Sat 17 Mar 1941 SLC Fin r Rangers 4-2 Hearts
Sat 05 Jul 1941 SMC SF Rangers 4-2 Hearts
Sat 27 Apr 1946 SLC SF Rangers 2-1 Hearts (aet)
Sat 04 Apr 1953 SC SF Rangers 2-1 Hearts
Sat 28 Oct 1961 LC Fin Hearts 1-1 Rangers (aet)
Mon 18 Dec 1961 LC Fin r Rangers 3-1 Hearts
Sat 01 May 1976 SC Fin Rangers 3-1 Hearts
Wed 30 Mar 1977 SC SF Rangers 2-0 Hearts
Wed 21 Sep 1988 LC SF Rangers 3-0 Hearts
Sat 18 May 1996 SC Fin Rangers 5-1 Hearts
Tue 04 Feb 2003 LC SF Rangers 1-0 Hearts
Wed 30 Jan 2008 LC SF Rangers 2-0 Hearts
Sun 03 Nov 2019 LC SF Rangers 3-0 Hearts
Sat 21 May 2022 SC Fin Rangers 2-0 Hearts (aet)
Sun 05 Nov 2023 LC SF Rangers 3-1 Hearts
Sun 21 Apr 2024 SC SF Rangers 2-0 Hearts1 -
20 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:
When Dutch people say “William of Orange” they mean the great grandfather of the “William of Orange” that you or I would associate with that title. He was the leader of the Dutch fight for independence from Spain and the Spanish Inquisition
aka "William the Silent".
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Always been the case throughout the southerly pyramid that promotion-&-relegation will vary to keep each division at even numbers; e.g. last year saw 4-up-3-down throughout EOS divisions (as Linlithgow promoted from EOSL to LL but Dalbeattie relegated from LL to SOSL; only outlier is that in EK up/Forfar down scenario LL relegates nobody rather than bring up 2 from below).
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3 hours ago, Arch Stanton said:
If you're counting the Summer Cup as a "substitute Scottish Cup" then we're also counting the 1919 Victory Cup
Absolutely.
War Shield (1917-18), Victory Cup (1918-19), War Emergency Cup (1939-40), Summer Cup (1940-41 > 1944-45) and Victory Cup (1945-46) were equivalent 'substitute' tournaments.0 -
Interesting to look back at the 'shape' of Scottish football in 1943-44:
Internationals
Summer Cup (substitute Scottish Cup)
Southern League
Southern League Cup
North-Eastern Leagues
North-Eastern League Cups
East of Scotland Shield
Rosebery Charity Cup
Glasgow Cup
Glasgow Charity Cup
Renfrewshire Cup
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1 hour ago, Eednud said:
Did you know that Scotland are unbeaten in games played on 22 April? Did you know Scotland has never won a game on 22 April?
We did play a war international on Saturday 22nd April 1944... Scotland 2-3 England... before a then 'war record' of 132,835:
Field Marshal Montgomery was guest of honour just weeks before D-Day:
Sad aftermath:
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Across pyramid, ignoring single division leagues, do well to better Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale... been a senior club for 30 seasons, and spent 27 of last 28 in East of Scotland League Premier Division*.
*they won promotion from First Division in their 2nd season... got relegated by 1 place during the conference season of 2018-19... and promptly won promotion right back up to Premier Division in 2019-20, where they will appear again next season having finished comfortably top half0 -
22 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:
It's often mentioned that Dundee United have a better head to head record against us due to the fact that we never really played them during our glory years and it was only as they had Jerry Kerr and Jim McLean tearing it up that we started playing each other more.
They must have spent a significant amount of time in the lower tiers up until say the 70s?
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19 minutes ago, Fuctifano said:
12-10-10-10 is certainly the most stable it's been in my lifetime, been like this for nearly 25 years whereas in the 80s and 90s the top flight kept changing between 12 and 10 teams.
5 minutes ago, parsforlife said:I would need someone like@craigkillieor @HibeeJibeeto confirm but I believe it’s the most stable structure we’ve ever had.
Top division format in Scotland
yrs (chronological from 1890-91)
1 11 teams
1 12 teams
8 10 teams
1 11 teams
1 10 teams
1 12 teams
2 14 teams
1 16 teams
7 18 teams
4 20 teams
2 18 teams
3 22 teams
16 20 teams
(6 war emergency)
9 16 teams
20 18 teams
11 10 teams playing x4
2 12 teams playing x4
3 10 teams playing x4
3 12 teams playing x4
6 10 teams playing x4
25+ 12 teams playing x4 with split
Number of divisions in Scottish League
yrs (chronological from 1890-91)
3 1 division
22 2 divisions
6 1 division
2 2 divisions
3 3 divisions
14 2 divisions
(6 war emergency)
9 3 divisions
20 2 divisions
19 3 divisions
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No time for BA to dwell on their consecutive promotion success - as they face arguably the biggest 2 single games in their history this week.
Remember draws go to penalties for 1pt bonus.
First up:
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Luncarty... 12th
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Dunipace are PROMOTED
Edinburgh University's relegation means 4th can no longer become a promotion place.
Congratulations to Dunipace.
I recall some scepticism even gentle mockery being expressed in other parts when they were revealed as the 'mystery' west club turning senior and moving east 6 years ago - but they've continually progressed on and off the park since.
On-field they came 2nd bottom of their conference in 2018-19 (above just 'lowly' Eyemouth)... but improved to top 4 in their First Division conference in 2019-20 and 2021-22; solidly mid-table in the united First Division last season; and now promotion, maybe as champions. They also won the South Challenge Cup (with much less attention and credit than deserved: probably as it was badly delayed to August 2021), reached the King and League cup finals last season, plus the EOS Qualifying Cup SF this season.
Off-field they've installed artificial turf, lights and enclosure then obtained their SFA licence (leading to Scottish Cup entry and annually improving results there too).
I recall their U20s have also had some good campaigns.
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Bo'ness Athletic are PROMOTED
Edinburgh University's relegation means 4th can no longer become a promotion place.
Congratulations to Bo'ness Athletic.
Edinburgh South stocking-up on restoratives but if their winning streak can outlive an arduous month Armadale may be in a panic:
Mon 22 Apr Edinburgh South v Dalkeith
Wed 24 Apr Edinburgh South v Stirling Uni EOS
Sun 29 Apr Edinburgh South v Newburgh
Wed 1 May Thornton v Edinburgh South
Sat 4 May Edinburgh South v Tweedmouth
Wed 8 May Burntisland v Edinburgh South
Sat 11 May Stirling Uni EOS v Edinburgh South
Sat 18 May Edinburgh South v Kennoway
date tbc Edinburgh South v Coldstream1 -
Edinburgh University's relegation means 4th can no longer become a promotion place.
Hawick and Pumpherston lose; Livingston Utd manage a win!1 -
Tuesday 16th April
(R2) Preston 4-2 Kinnoull (aet, FT 2-2)
Newtongrange 0-2 Crossgates
Wednesday 17th April
(R2) St Andrews 0-1 Kirkcaldy & Dysart
Saturday 20th April
(R2) Glenrothes 1-0 Harthill
(R2) Hill of Beath 3-2 Thornton
(R2) Lochore 2-1 Camelon
Arniston 3-2 Kirkcaldy & Dysart (aet, FT 2-2)
Sauchie 5-0 Blackburn
Whitburn 3-1 Jeanfield (aet, FT 1-1)
Whitehill 1-3 Preston
Tuesday 23rd April
Broxburn v Glenrothes
Haddington v Dunbar
Lochore v Hill of Beath
Whitburn the notable Saturday 'shock'.
Fourth Round
Arniston v Broxburn/Glenrothes
Lochore/Hill of Beath v Sauchie
Haddington/Dunbar v Crossgates
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Tuesday 16th April
(R4) Heriot-Watt Uni 3-2 Armadale
(R4) Whitehill 2-1 Camelon (aet, FT 1-1)
Saturday 20th April
(R3) Ormiston 1-8 (eight) St Andrews
Saturday 27th April
(R4) St Andrews v Newtongrange
(SF) Heriot-Watt Uni v Whitehill
date tbc
(SF) St Andrews/Newtongrange v Leith
'Old school EOS' feel here.1 -
56 minutes ago, JS_FFC said:
Wikipedia has got them both going out to Zaragoza in consecutive rounds. Are you saying that the QF draw was made before the last 16 was played, such that a Hearts win over Zaragoza would have mean they’d have played Dunfermline?
Exactly, indeed it must have been... Hearts v Zaragoza went to a playoff that wasn't held until 2 months after 2nd leg, and was effectively simultaneous with QFs starting.
European Champions' Cup and Fairs' Cup 1965-66 - Details (rsssf.org)
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22 hours ago, craigkillie said:
This has come up on here before, but in the case of Hibs v Leeds the draw hadn't been made yet when the first team were knocked out. Based on the history of the competition, it seems plausible to me that there was an element of "country protection" in this tournament which would have made it less likely (or even impossible) they were drawn together. The semi-final draw had been made before Rangers lost to Leeds though, so that was definitely a narrow miss.
I cannot find thread but I've a feeling this point arose years ago and Dunfermline + Hearts in 1965-66 was the only occasion 2 non-OF clubs got each other in a draw.
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7 hours ago, newcastle broon said:
The clubs will though, a bit of revenue at the lower end of the scale lost. The Premiership clubs are just bullies after all its a FA competition and nothing to do wi the Premier League. A joke of a decision.
3 hours ago, GordonS said:Ending a 152-year tradition so that the billionaire clubs can play 2-4 more Champions League games and go to the World Club Cup in the USA at the end of the season. Very #Barclays.
3 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkey said:Absolutely fucked it. Prem League games after the final, nae replays. Yeah we get it.
What's particularly sad is the FA think these secret negotiations produced a good deal because R5 returns to a weekend plus they get some pennies (in EPL terms); and anyway they "had" to help EPL clubs in Europe as there simply aren't enough dates.
Yet somehow those same EPL clubs have found enough dates to start the season 1 week later than previously, and spread R4 out over a weekend and adjacent midweek. You can also bet that in a few years they'll want to take the weekend part of R4 out and just play it in midweek. Meanwhile the FA Cup Final is no longer the last game of the season - nor even has the weekend to itself; and replays have inexplicably also been abolished in R1 & R2 even though EFL1&2 clubs wouldn't want that.
They've been completely outmanoeuvred by EPL.2 -
53 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said:
It is unofficial, but perfectly acceptable.
Scottish Premiership Championship Group not to be confused with the Scottish Championship
Scottish Premiership Relegation Group contesting relegation to the Scottish Championship
Scottish Championship not to be confused with the Scottish Premiership Championship Group
Scottish Premiership Playoffs contesting promotion & relegation between Premiership & Championship... 2/3 of which only involve Championship clubs
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Why can't it be another midweek at Dens?
Plus won't many ticketholders need turned away - Dens holds more than McDiarmid and have to be unallocated seating?0
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A Photographic History Of Scottish Football
in Scottish Premiership General Chatter
Posted
I was intrigued to see how often this happened... below is comprehensive list. Note for Fairs Cup of 1960 and 1961 it may have been as only Edinburgh was a member of the trade fairs body?
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1955 Hibs (5th) were invited to play in the European Cup due to their reputation in world football
1960 Hibs (7th) were admitted to the Fairs Cup ahead of Dundee (4th), Motherwell (5th) and Clyde (6th)
1960 Celtic (9th) were admitted to the Anglo-Franco-Scottish Cup ahead of Ayr (8th) as Somerset Park didn't have floodlights
1961 Hearts (7th) and Hibs (8th) were admitted to the Fairs Cup ahead of Third Lanark (3rd), Celtic (4th), Motherwell (5th) and Aberdeen (6th)
1962 champions Dundee entered both the European Cup and the International Soccer League
1962 Hibs (8th) were admitted to the Fairs Cup ahead of Kilmarnock (5th), Hearts (6th) and Partick (7th)... unclear why
1964 Hearts (4th) were admitted to the International Soccer League ahead of Kilmarnock (2nd) and Celtic (3rd)... unclear why
1965 champions Kilmarnock entered both the European Cup and the International Soccer League
1967 Clyde (3rd) were not admitted to the Fairs Cup as Rangers (2nd) were also from Glasgow; the place went to Dundee (6th)
1970 Hearts (4th) were not admitted to the Fairs Cup as Hibs (3rd) were also from Edinburgh; the place went to Kilmarnock (7th) not Dundee (6th) as Dundee Utd (5th) were also from Dundee
1972 Rangers (holders) were banned from the Cup-Winners' Cup due to rioting
2009 Scotland won a Fair Play Place in the UEFA Cup and Motherwell (7th) were higher in the domestic Fair Play ranking than Dundee Utd (5th) and Hibs (6th)
2012 Rangers (2nd) were liquidated - the Champions League place went to Motherwell (3rd) and the Europa League place went to St Johnstone (6th)
Note: most eligible Scottish clubs never applied to enter the Intertoto Cup