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A mighty tome, delivered in a frenzy as dawn approached! Well done that man. "In a nutshell" springs to mind.

OK then, here's a wee exercise for you. 1) Point out everything in Port-Ton's post that is wrong and say why 2) Do the same for mine 3) Given that should take all of 50 seconds, tell us exactly why Massone is the Man, and not just the latest in a series of dodgy chancers looking to con their paying public with bullshit galore

But that's kind of the point - and to be fair, as port-ton points out, you do make it really easy to do so.

You're right, but the thing is Livvy have ALWAYS been vulnerable to this kind of thing due the very fact they are a "franchise" club. If you analyse it enough, that has made them an appealing proposition to a certain type of ambitious businessman who fancies building a lucrative, successful football club by moulding it utterly and buying success. It may be harsh, but there really is an artificial air about Livingston, because any success they had was not based on any real foundation of history or community involvement. They started as effectively a blank canvas for some spiv to mould his own dream out of. The fact that the bulk of their fans have taken part in this dream en masse, and for them Livvy are an SPL team who have slipped up in recent times, merely adds to the unreality of it all. Livvy have no real history with generations of fans to create an ethos and spirit like almost all other clubs have. They are an artificial proposition fuelled by opportunists' money and (understandably) supported by a generation of fans buying into a very false dream. THAT'S why, now that it's come to the crunch, they have no idea whatsoever how to go about saving their club or even coming together as a band to protect the club that's never really been theirs in the first place.

That's a fair point, Stuart, but there's a crucial difference: there was obviously enough unity within our support to galvanise an action group and make it possible (and worthwhile) for Jim Ballantyne to maintain senior football in Airdrie. Sure, I remember standing with a bucket outside New Broomfield collecting cash and grinding my teeth in frustration when it seemed the AWAY supporters were more willing to help than some of or own ("I'm paying my entry money to the club, that's enough" being one particularly jaw-dropping example of ignorance and stupidity) but the vast majority of our support banded together and made this club possible. I've said it before, but that was Les Jones' major achievement - I know there were plenty others involved but it was him who managed the seemingly impossible task of uniting the Airdrie support. For me, the way he was subsequently treated by the club was totally shameful, because if it hadn't been for him they wouldn't BE in a position to treat him any way at all. The point is when it cam to the crunch a whole load of people with different views and ideas got together and proved it was viable and worthwhile fighting to have this club. The same can be said of Thistle fans and Morton fans, the recognition that things are desperate and everyone MUST work together for the one cause is paramount. The Livvy fans, on the other hand, DON'T or WON'T get it. Instead, they're bickering pointlessly over who took what and why from the fucking walls of the stadium!!

Umm, you HAVE. It's an ongoing process.

You'll still lose.

That's all very well - but to be THAT ignorant about the situation after all this time is fucking staggering.

:lol: Good ol' Happy Bunny.

HEURRGGHH!!

So at this rate, how long before Livingston is Deadston?

The Jam - Sound Affects. One of my favourite four or five albums ever, I reckon.

WArren Zevon - Stand In The Fire

Crystal Zevon's "I'll Sleep When I'm Dead - the dirty life and times of Warren Zevon" Brilliant book - although it was hard to realise just how much of a complete c**t one of my all-time favourite singer-songwriters really was!! Having just lost my dad to cancer, reading the last couple of chapters on Zevon's death was tough as well, but it's still a great read.

Ah, so you're a serial glory hunter then?

Sitting for four fucking hours in A+E on a Wednesday night when there appears to be absolutely f**k-all going on and no staff around, having buggered up my ankle ligaments slipping outside on the ice. THAT gets on my nerves.

Me neither. I'd say they were delusional. What difference do you think quoting the rest of that post made?? It still says essentially exactly the same thing - and it IS the attitude that will see your club vanish!

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Yeah, I get that too. You're right though; when it happens, there's nothing else to do but reach for the beanflutes.

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No no, it's all about beanflutes apparently.