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36 minutes ago, Shuggie_Murray7 said:
For me, we're lacking creativity in the middle of the park. The centre of our midfield is very combatitive, but I worry about our ability to create anything from there. Perhaps Baccus will prove to be that creative spark, but if he isn't then we could have a big problem.
I think it's early days to assess the new players. I know from the very first moment we seen Ronan play, you could see he was head and shoulders talent wise, though the likes of O'Hara, who I do highly rate and Baccus, who we haven't seen much of yet, could be the answer this season.
The new system could also make other players better players and make them all as equally effective going forward.0 -
5 hours ago, Ric said:
He had a loan down at Barnsley and by all accounts they were pleased with him. It was their U21 (U23?) squad though, not the first team.
COVID lockdown cut short his stay. It's maybe given him a taste for something he'd like to pursue when his contract runs down, unless we try and keep him longer.
He has to be happy though to stay and time will tell If working under Robinson is enough.0 -
1 hour ago, Stu said:
Scott Burns has always been extremely good for Saints stuff in fairness.
If Reid stays until next summer and leaves for compensation, will that take into account how many first team appearances he's made or is it purely on age and length of time at the club?
From what I have gathered, it will not be much more than what Celtic offered as a transfer fee, hence why selling him now and having the opportunity to include add ons is more profitable for us long term.
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2 minutes ago, Coventry Saint said:
I really don't see why they don't, when you consider the paltry sums involved. Also, I can't see why what Rangers offered was rejected but Celtic's barely-better offer was accepted. Are we really sitting there saying 'we won't take a penny less than £125k'? Given we now seem happy that he's staying (ie we weren't desperate for that 125k), then why didn't we just stick a 500k tag on his head and test the water that way?
I dunno, it all just seems a bit weird and inconsistent to me.
It's possible our sell on fee request (say 20% or 33%) was matched by Celtic though not by Rangers.
We also possibly see the potential of his value rising in years to come and the only way to maximise our future cut (which could be significantly higher return than £125k)is to take the hit and offer him at his market value now so that we can secure those add ons. There hasn't been a flurry of teams lining up with cash so far.
This method has worked out well long term for us with the McGinn deal.
Reid will be gone if not this summer, then next.
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13 hours ago, Buttocks Brown said:
Dylan Reid..... my fear is that there's been a wee nudge, nudge wink wink to sit tight from the other Glasgow team.
Shock horror, they become interested again when his contract expires next year. He signs for them and it's a poorer financial deal for us than if he'd gone to Celtic.
We'll have to wait and see. In the meantime, hopefully he'll have a good season for us.
Surely Rangers can afford to part with the £125k reported?
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9 minutes ago, Merkland Red said:
Doesn't make any sense to leave the kid out? At least in terms of maximising what you receive?
I'd say with his age and where he is in his development, it is a bit unfortunate for us in terms of how longs left on his contract (ideally he would have had 2 years left). It's most likely he would have been closer to the starting lineup next season, though we currently have many players in front of him. John McGinn never made it into the starting lineup until just before his 18th birthday.
If he goes this summer, we have the opportunity of asking for add-ons to the deal, including sell on fee and possibly appearances. If he leaves next summer, we get a similar fee to the £125k in development fees, without the chance to throw in some add ons.
If Ranger come back in and match what Celtic offered us, 100% he will be off this summer. Just because he knocked back Celtic, doesn't mean he wants to commit his future to us, he is holding out for another club who have already showed interest. For what it is also worth, he does not want to sign an extension to his current deal with us.1 -
50 minutes ago, glenburn bud said:
Baccus at Ralston today I’m presuming he’ll be playing catch up in terms of match fitness. Will he get mins against Airdrie and the Edinburgh team.
I'd imagine at very the very least, he will play some part on Saturday. I think the Airdrie games came a bit too early.
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4 minutes ago, pozbaird said:
I’ve seen a few gents hairdressing shops created using ‘shipping containers’. They look cool. I think there’s one at the M&S end of Braehead.
Also one at Asda Linwood and Silverburn too. Really good cost efficient use.
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26 minutes ago, Buttocks Brown said:
Aberdeen have similar but you can purchase individual matches for them: https://www.afc.co.uk/commercial/matchday-hospitality/main-stand-boxes/
Maybe we've sounded out some companies who are regularly using hospitality and they've indicated that they'd be interested in taking one of these for the whole season.
Innovative thinking to generate more cash for the club. Good stuff.
There is also probably a chance that some companies that are close to each other could split between 2-4 ways and share the cost for the season.
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1 minute ago, Kempes said:
Maybe SMISA should just make an investment in the young man....
If the players wants to move on, we have no other option than to sell.
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46 minutes ago, billyg said:
Probably completely wrong , but this is the way I see it.
1. Reid had told the club he won't be signing a new deal.
2. The club know , at the end of the season , they will receive a development fee of not much more than £100k.
3. The club have accepted the offer from Celtic , in the knowledge that he won't go there.
4. The club see this as a way of prompting other interested clubs to make their own bids , hopefully higher , with better add-ons ?
Sounds about right on paper. Not in the know, though with less than 12 months remaining on his contract, it seems likely we have seen a 'cash in now' situation, with add-ons included.
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26 minutes ago, Buttocks Brown said:
Why would Reid turn down Celtic? Because his family are Rangers fans?
As sad as it sounds, I do believe this. Rangers wouldn't need to put up much more surely to match Celtics bid, unless it was the add-ons that were the stumbling block from their end.
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45 minutes ago, Hendo said:
Even then, I can think of at least half a dozen players worse than Jones.
He really looked dangerous in his first two or three games, then it all fizzled out. I think his negative reviews were down to disappointment as he clearly has better quality than he showed with us.
If Killie get him, it's certainly a step up in quality from their signings so far.
There was a bit of a buzz of excitement with the signing of Jones, like he was the missing piece to drive us forward from wide areas and be a game changer. Sadly never lived up to it. As mentioned further up on the thread, a switch in formation didn't do him any favours, though we did expect much much more than he showed.
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10 hours ago, AW saint said:
Dylan Reid to hold signing talks with Celtic tomorrow. Strange that we knocked back the same offer from Rangers.
There must be a decent sell-on fee for the reported figure that's going around of upfront cost.
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18 hours ago, AW saint said:
Don't know how much game time ge will get for us. Robinson will be under serious pressure unless the team improves so may not risk Reid.
Baccus has still to arrive too. IMO its a flip between Reid or Erhahon in the team and we have went with Ethan due to his experience of first team.
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38 minutes ago, Mr. Alli said:
That's a pretty crazy outlook, IMO.
In terms of valuation or him running down his contract? It is just my opinion.
Imo also I think Robinson this season had every intention of giving him game time to keep him closer to feeling settled and possibly extending his stay. Our business model has always been about promoting youth and Robinson seems to be buying into that more than Goody.
Signing the 2 year deal was with the assumption he would get first team exposure, which he has had very little of so far. He's had very good history of it at Motherwell.
His boyhood team are Rangers, so there is every possibility he goes there eventually if its not now whether that's playing it out in the Lowland for a couple of years or not. The boy Lowry has been knocking on the door of the first team and he's only 2 years older. Could have a similar path to first team if deemed good enough.0 -
1 hour ago, Lola montez said:
I hope the parents of Dylan and Murray will look to the McGinn family who shunned joining Celtic for staying at Paisley for games, it hasn’t worked out too bad for them. They shouldn’t be in a hurry to get to a big club, learn their trade and the big moves will come.
Unfortunately for Dylan at the very least, he comes from a Rangers supporting family.
I think the reason for us only offering a length of a 2 year deal to Dylan before he signed was down to him and his family/agent. Disappointingly, Goodwin never gave him much game time at all, even as a sub. He looked very comfortable in any game id seen him play.
Ideally, we would have had him on at the very a 3 year to allow time to get game time and raise his exposure (not that he needs it due to interest). He's into the final 12 months of his contract where we will end up getting something in the region of 350kish (a guesstimate) in a development fee end of the season as a fall back if he doesn't go now.
if he goes now, we should be pushing for at least close to 7 figures plus sell-on, considering the interest in him. If Rangers are not willing to match our valuation ( I can't see them having budget to invest that much in a youngster), I am sure he will happily sit and run down his contract and get his dream move.If there was not the sentimental involvement for him on moving to Rangers, I am sure we could convince him to extend his stay, though only just turned 17 in March/April.
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1 minute ago, Mainstand Sweary Mob said:
If playing O'Hara and Baccus gives us two box to box players (same as I thought Ronan played at times when he was deeper in midfield last season) would we need a player like Gogic?
If we did would it be to have someone to play back up to Centre Back / Central Defensive Midfielder?
If we are happy with the two box to box, what position do we need someone else in?Agree with this. Someone who is versatile enough to at least cover centre back.
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1 hour ago, glenburn bud said:
There’s so much more money involved with youth players these days. It’s definitely in the clubs interest to big up these players, especially when it comes to EPL clubs showing interest.
Rangers just lost one of their promising youth players to Aston Villa the other week and a settlement of 350k was agreed for development after at first it looked like there was going to be next to nothing.
McAllister was sold as soon as he was entering the end of his contract to Derby. He had been scouted a lot by top teams from his youth days, just like Dylan Reid and Ethan Erhahon have.
Using Motherwell again as a reference, they have done very well for years integrating youth players into their first team and then making them very good sellable assets. It's the type of model I'd hope through time we could adapt too, though we are always a team who is either near the bottom 2 or just missing out on top 6.
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9 minutes ago, FTOF said:
Played on Monday night. I'd never actually heard of him from our under 18s, though seems like he has been scouted by some top teams and as it reads, he had a trial down at wolves who are keen on him. He is only 16, though hopefully if he's ready, he can play some part this season here and there.
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13 hours ago, andrewh said:
£30 is my limit. Beyond that I’m out. Isn’t worth it. Especially if CD is your manager.
Not to worry sir, I think it will be £25 tops for away supporters outside Celtic & Rangers.
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11 minutes ago, sergie's no1 fan said:
I'm not seeing how we have replaced Ronan/McGraths goals from midfield yet.
McGrath never really offered much goalscoring return last season and Ronan was not known to us or had as successful a stint at his previous clubs via goals than he did with us. Ronan came in as a complete unknown to us and delivered well above our expectations. Not to say any of our new players can deliver as positive an impact.
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14 minutes ago, Mainstand Sweary Mob said:5 hours ago, smellthepaw said:Apparently Baccus is a box to box with a bit of flair
Interesting. O'Hara's said in an interview that Robbo said he is box to box. If playing 3 in the middle I can see why need high energy box to box. Need Gogic or similar I think. With the players we have options with formations, but if we went 433 I cannot see how Kiltie fits, which would be a shame as he was great in the pocket behind the strikers.
I think with the options we have there is the chance to drop to one off the lone striker and play 2 high pressing wide men too.
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8 hours ago, AW saint said:
Our midfield needs a Gogic type of player to break up play. He for me would just about finish the squad. A couple of quality young loan signings and its looking good.
Apparently Baccus is a box to box with a bit of flair
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The St. Mirren FC 2022/23 thread
in Scottish Premiership General Chatter
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Accurate assessment of McGrath.
He should have been head an shoulders above everyone last season up until his move to Wigan, though he never did show enough quality in his final year.
Ronan on the other hand oozed class and you could see he was a top top player. At 24, he really needs to either be included in Wolves plans this season or seek a permanent move to a better league than ours.